Botting is legal, bliz has no rights to ban bots!

[shoxyz]

Blizzard is owner of all accounts, they can do whatever they want with them, you're just renting them.

 

[endtimes]

What I find interesting in the US, is that it is "legal" to Jailbreak your iPhone or other smart device via software or hardware manipulation, and all Apple can do is void your warranty. How is it that HB or any other 3rd party software is being hammered by Blizzard in the court system is beyond me. There is clear precedent that manipulating a product to suit your needs or desires is "legal". Blizzard being within their rights to no longer allow connection to their game service if you engage in said activity is well within their rights also.

I guess I just don't see the disconnect in the legal ramifications of manipulating a piece of hardware, or a piece of software. How Blizzard can stop Bossland (at least as it pertains to US law) is beyond me.

There is a really simple answer to all of these posts, and sadly it has no association with the "law", wherever you may be.

The answer is this: Blizzard owns WoW, its servers, your account, and all associated bits of information. You can look at it as a rental agreement, Blizzard agrees to allow you access to all these cool features, quests, rewards, and services in return for you ensuring that you pay your fees, and adhere to their terms. Because of this, it can be simply said that Blizzard can do whatever they want, whenever they want, and any claim on our behalf will be difficult at best.

The difference between jailbreaking your iPhone and botting in WoW is that you purchase (aka obtain ownership rights) of your individual iPhone, and therefore have the right to do whatever you want with it. Whereas with WoW, you simply rent the service. Apple voids your warranty because they don't have to support people who want to use their product in a different way, and Blizzard bans you because they deem that you are negatively impacting the game as they intend it to be played.

When all is said and done, there isn't a single reason to complain, and to do it anyway would be like kicking and screaming at a Wal-Mart when they ban you from the premises for being a little prick to their employees. Just because they provide a service for you to use, doesn't mean they have to let you use it.

 

[Croga]

The difference between jailbreaking your iPhone and botting in WoW is that you purchase (aka obtain ownership rights) of your individual iPhone, and therefore have the right to do whatever you want with it. Whereas with WoW, you simply rent the service. Apple voids your warranty because they don't have to support people who want to use their product in a different way, and Blizzard bans you because they deem that you are negatively impacting the game as they intend it to be played.

Actually... there really isn't any difference between the Apple case and the WoW case.

If you buy an iPhone you own that phone and can do with it as you please. If you jailbreak it, Apple will refuse you their service.
If you buy WoW you own the client software and can do with it as you please. If you break the EULA/TOS, Blizzard will refuse you their service (including access to their servers).

I really don't see the difference.......

 

[endtimes]

Actually... there really isn't any difference between the Apple case and the WoW case.

If you buy an iPhone you own that phone and can do with it as you please. If you jailbreak it, Apple will refuse you their service.
If you buy WoW you own the client software and can do with it as you please. If you break the EULA/TOS, Blizzard will refuse you their service (including access to their servers).

I really don't see the difference.......

The difference is that you dont "buy" the client software, that is provided for free. You will notice that you can have the client software, but you need to pay for an account to access the blizzard servers, or trial an account. It is the account, servers, and online play that you rent, which Blizzard owns, and therefore has the right to refuse service for any reason, or no reason. You don't rent an iPhone from Apple, though I'm sure you can find someone to rent it from if you really wanted.

**Also, you Apple doesn't refuse you "service" for jailbreaking, they just void your warranty, aka your "freebies" you can still pay to have Apple fix, replace, play with, or bedazzle your iPhone all you want.

edited for extra point.

 

[Gentoo]

Wow, so many people talking like they have law degrees. I never knew botting was such a common practice among lawyers. You would think with this kind of legal representation we would have equal rights for bot marriage by now.

They should have all pitched in to help Jokur and Tanaris4 when Blizz sued them.

 

[Juxx]

There is a really simple answer to all of these posts, and sadly it has no association with the "law", wherever you may be.

The answer is this: Blizzard owns WoW, its servers, your account, and all associated bits of information. You can look at it as a rental agreement, Blizzard agrees to allow you access to all these cool features, quests, rewards, and services in return for you ensuring that you pay your fees, and adhere to their terms. Because of this, it can be simply said that Blizzard can do whatever they want, whenever they want, and any claim on our behalf will be difficult at best.

The difference between jailbreaking your iPhone and botting in WoW is that you purchase (aka obtain ownership rights) of your individual iPhone, and therefore have the right to do whatever you want with it. Whereas with WoW, you simply rent the service. Apple voids your warranty because they don't have to support people who want to use their product in a different way, and Blizzard bans you because they deem that you are negatively impacting the game as they intend it to be played.

When all is said and done, there isn't a single reason to complain, and to do it anyway would be like kicking and screaming at a Wal-Mart when they ban you from the premises for being a little prick to their employees. Just because they provide a service for you to use, doesn't mean they have to let you use it.

Everything is here, you don't own the account, only rent it.
That being said, if they damage your freedom you can prosecute them, but they are not rather stupid to do that. Scanning your RAM is legitimate as it only try to see programs which are attached to WoW

 

[El Fuego]

There is a really simple answer to all of these posts, and sadly it has no association with the "law", wherever you may be.

The answer is this: Blizzard owns WoW, its servers, your account, and all associated bits of information. You can look at it as a rental agreement, Blizzard agrees to allow you access to all these cool features, quests, rewards, and services in return for you ensuring that you pay your fees, and adhere to their terms. Because of this, it can be simply said that Blizzard can do whatever they want, whenever they want, and any claim on our behalf will be difficult at best.

The difference between jailbreaking your iPhone and botting in WoW is that you purchase (aka obtain ownership rights) of your individual iPhone, and therefore have the right to do whatever you want with it. Whereas with WoW, you simply rent the service. Apple voids your warranty because they don't have to support people who want to use their product in a different way, and Blizzard bans you because they deem that you are negatively impacting the game as they intend it to be played.

When all is said and done, there isn't a single reason to complain, and to do it anyway would be like kicking and screaming at a Wal-Mart when they ban you from the premises for being a little prick to their employees. Just because they provide a service for you to use, doesn't mean they have to let you use it.

What I'm talking about is Blizzard taking HB to court for producing the Bot in the first place. As I said Apple cannot take me to court for developing a jailbreak. That is the difference I'm curious about. Not the fact that Blizzard or Apple can deny me service.
The fact that Blizz owns the servers and all the hardware and software behind the scenes is irrelevant (in my mind). What HB does is manipulate the Client. Which they (Blizzard) give away freely. HB does not interact with the WoW servers directly, nor does it interact with any portion of the Blizzard owned software.

 

[endtimes]

What I'm talking about is Blizzard taking HB to court for producing the Bot in the first place. As I said Apple cannot take me to court for developing a jailbreak. That is the difference I'm curious about. Not the fact that Blizzard or Apple can deny me service.
The fact that Blizz owns the servers and all the hardware and software behind the scenes is irrelevant (in my mind). What HB does is manipulate the Client. Which they (Blizzard) give away freely. HB does not interact with the WoW servers directly, nor does it interact with any portion of the Blizzard owned software.

Just because the bot interacts with the client and not directly with the servers does not mean that Blizzard is without cause to sue. Because honorbuddy was created with the intent to breach the TOS of playing WoW, and because Blizzard has designed the game under the assumption that it is for people, not programs to play, and that it centers on rewarding those players for their time investment, this gives Blizzard the grounds to argue a suit. whether or not they win is for your beautiful court system to decide. But everyone has the right to argue that their ideals have been impeded, after all, isn't that an amendment right?

Long and short, Blizzard can sue, Blizzard can ban, and until the court system deems it against the interest of the public, we all just sit there and take our medicine, cuz you know what? We know all this and continue to pay, and continue to play!

 

[Croga]

Scanning your RAM is legitimate as it only try to see programs which are attached to WoW

Not in European law it isn't. Scanning your RAM is a breach of privacy, it's reading information from a person's computer that that person did not make available to the maker of the software.
Ever since the first time this passage appeared in the EULA, Blizz has been scolded by a couple of European governments (I recall the Germans but I think the French and Brittish did as well) and they said if WoW ever did scan memory outside of WoW memory space, they would be prosecuted.

 

[Fenol1]

no doubt, wow is a fun game but HUGE waste of time, huge drag and grind. u may think the game getting less grind with every patch, but the game still huge waste of time, especially if u have multiple toons. anyway as u know botting is not against any laws whatsoever. in fact blizzard has no rights to ban anyone for botting to level up. bliz is against the law if they were to force every player to do every single task in game with their real hand... do u know how many people suffer from RSI repetitive strain injury spamming buttons.. and there is no one single software in the world that dis-allow users to use automation... NONE! and blizzard has no exception.

what IS against the law is... that selling virtual properties for real money. blizzard has the right to claim the ownership of everything in game... so we have no rights to sell it. and they also have the right to not allow transfer of ownership. so we can't even 'GIVE' our account to a friend officially. this is why most people get banned is due to using bots farm and then sell the gold or account/characters for real money... because blizzard owns everything in game that's why they are selling stupid in game pets and mounts for $5 that's just fkn stupid, after u pay $5 for the pet u actually don't own the pet.. bliz still owns it, and if u are to sell that pet(if u can) to another player for real world money. u are against the law cos u are trying to sell someone else's properties.


have u ever wonder why in every single blizzard bans... it say that u are banned for 'Abusing the economy' and u are selling/buying gold for real world money etc etc, but not limit to using automation 3rd party software... they cannot ban u alone for just using bot, but 10million of wow player may not know. if u use bot to level up and not put thousands of item on AH or sell any of ur gold. u are not affecting the in game economy. they got no rights to ban u but they still do it anyway.

using software to automate gameplay may be not good for a multiplayer game. but tasks are soo repetitive that if are really to do it with fingers, millions of players will suffer from RSI, I can't believe why nobody had sue blizzard for injured fingers yet...

so in the end, botting is not illegal, blizzard try to fool us that its illegal... only selling/buying in-game properties is illegal. I don't get how bliz can win lawsuit vs glider, just cos they got more money. may be blizzard should get sue for forcing players to do repetitive task and painful fingers.

the amount of time need to spend in game is just ridiculous without bots.

i dont usually do this about peoples opinions but in your case i think its ok , take a gun fill it up with 2 bullets open your mouth put the gun in it and fire twice just to make sure your dead . GTFO bot should be legal are you out of your mind?

 

[bambam922]

Well I know who we are hiring for the next step in the trial...
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