Botting is legal, bliz has no rights to ban bots!

[vcreation]

no doubt, wow is a fun game but HUGE waste of time, huge drag and grind. u may think the game getting less grind with every patch, but the game still huge waste of time, especially if u have multiple toons. anyway as u know botting is not against any laws whatsoever. in fact blizzard has no rights to ban anyone for botting to level up. bliz is against the law if they were to force every player to do every single task in game with their real hand... do u know how many people suffer from RSI repetitive strain injury spamming buttons.. and there is no one single software in the world that dis-allow users to use automation... NONE! and blizzard has no exception.

what IS against the law is... that selling virtual properties for real money. blizzard has the right to claim the ownership of everything in game... so we have no rights to sell it. and they also have the right to not allow transfer of ownership. so we can't even 'GIVE' our account to a friend officially. this is why most people get banned is due to using bots farm and then sell the gold or account/characters for real money... because blizzard owns everything in game that's why they are selling stupid in game pets and mounts for $5 that's just fkn stupid, after u pay $5 for the pet u actually don't own the pet.. bliz still owns it, and if u are to sell that pet(if u can) to another player for real world money. u are against the law cos u are trying to sell someone else's properties.


have u ever wonder why in every single blizzard bans... it say that u are banned for 'Abusing the economy' and u are selling/buying gold for real world money etc etc, but not limit to using automation 3rd party software... they cannot ban u alone for just using bot, but 10million of wow player may not know. if u use bot to level up and not put thousands of item on AH or sell any of ur gold. u are not affecting the in game economy. they got no rights to ban u but they still do it anyway.

using software to automate gameplay may be not good for a multiplayer game. but tasks are soo repetitive that if are really to do it with fingers, millions of players will suffer from RSI, I can't believe why nobody had sue blizzard for injured fingers yet...

so in the end, botting is not illegal, blizzard try to fool us that its illegal... only selling/buying in-game properties is illegal. I don't get how bliz can win lawsuit vs glider, just cos they got more money. may be blizzard should get sue for forcing players to do repetitive task and painful fingers.

the amount of time need to spend in game is just ridiculous without bots.

 

[PureLife]

Account: WOW2
Offense: Use of Bots or Third-Party Automation Software

Blizzard has terminated this World of Warcraft license after identifying the usage of bots or other cheat software.

These programs (commonly called cheats, bots, and hacks) automate certain aspects of gameplay, or provide unintended advantages and abilities to the player. This type of cheating undermines other players' experience and severely upsets the balance of the game environment.

Blizzard reserves the right to terminate access for conduct of this nature, with or without warning, as noted in the World of Warcraft Terms of Use:
Blizzard Entertainment:World of Warcraft Terms of Use

This page contains details on how suspensions are appealed and reviewed:
http://www.battle.net/support/article/6741

Regards,
Blizzard Entertainment

Could you explain what this quote means?

EDIT:

Although I would like to support your cause and call for Blizzard to allow botting, but they do have every right to ban users for automating tasks in-game. You 'supposedly' read their TOS and agreed to it before installing and playing the game.

Like you and I and many in this forum. Many have come in with hope and went out with bans, but many are still in the game. There may be some who might've quit completely and I congratulate them. I myself had over 10+ account bans of all sorts from Abuse of Economy, Hacks, 3rd Party, but am still in the game.

When we start botting, we knew it was illegal. We knew the risks. But wouldn't stop.

As much as we'd like it to be like what you said. It's never gonna happen. Even people with RSI would still play the game, then get banned, and still play the game after that. Coz if you won't, you'd probably never suffer RSI.

 

[stuckinthelag]

@OP - don?t know if you live under a rock or just trolling, it has nothing to do with the Law
-but the EULA and TOU that you agree on, before logging in to there games.

 

[maybe]

Botting is legal,

true

bliz has no rights to ban bots!

not true, they can ban you for any reason they see fit.

 

[LowKey]

I'm guessing OP is the kind of person who goes on a private forum and complains when his posts are deleted that his first amendment rights are being violated.

 

[Eisenberg]

I -> /care
Blizzard -> /care

 

[Chuckles]

I've got to admit I never understood when people keep referring to their terms of service/use and saying that because they write something in their terms that it is written in law. Like they are an international solicitor.
Blizzard don't make laws and just because they put something in their terms does not (necessarily) make it legal (whether you agree to it or not).

The reason why most of these terms go untested is because they are not tested in court. I mean what player is going to test a term written in a game? But that none the less doesn't mean that their TOS are legal. Each country has different rules and regulations that Blizzard have to abide by, by law.

A perfect example is this very company defending its rights to compliment a game with an after market service. If their legal defense fails then it only applies to Germany. It may be perfectly legal in another country.

As far as canceling people accounts for whatever they feel like. I've always has a mild fascination of if it went to court whether the player could actually argue to have a value put on that account in terms of time played, the addictive nature of the game and the way the game is geared towards major grinds to succeed. This is another thing that remains untested in courts and will remain speculation until someone silly enough decides to ask the question in court.

I mean at the end of the day I couldn't care less but to say their terms of use are written in law is absurd (until tested). To me EULA's, TOS etc are nothing more than something to discourage silly people and/or encourage good behavior.

 

[El Fuego]

What I find interesting in the US, is that it is "legal" to Jailbreak your iPhone or other smart device via software or hardware manipulation, and all Apple can do is void your warranty. How is it that HB or any other 3rd party software is being hammered by Blizzard in the court system is beyond me. There is clear precedent that manipulating a product to suit your needs or desires is "legal". Blizzard being within their rights to no longer allow connection to their game service if you engage in said activity is well within their rights also.

I guess I just don't see the disconnect in the legal ramifications of manipulating a piece of hardware, or a piece of software. How Blizzard can stop Bossland (at least as it pertains to US law) is beyond me.

 

[zonpan2lol]

What I find interesting in the US, is that it is "legal" to Jailbreak your iPhone or other smart device via software or hardware manipulation, and all Apple can do is void your warranty. How is it that HB or any other 3rd party software is being hammered by Blizzard in the court system is beyond me. There is clear precedent that manipulating a product to suit your needs or desires is "legal". Blizzard being within their rights to no longer allow connection to their game service if you engage in said activity is well within their rights also.

I guess I just don't see the disconnect in the legal ramifications of manipulating a piece of hardware, or a piece of software. How Blizzard can stop Bossland (at least as it pertains to US law) is beyond me.

I'm sure that if Apple could come up with a Jailbreak detection system to completely stop the device from working when jailbroken they would do it. Different situations, Blizzard is able to detect or determine who is botting, while Apple isn't. By botting you are making your anti-ban warranty void ^^

 

[El Fuego]

I'm sure that if Apple could come up with a Jailbreak detection system to completely stop the device from working when jailbroken they would do it. Different situations, Blizzard is able to detect or determine who is botting, while Apple isn't. By botting you are making your anti-ban warranty void ^^

Apple can detect it. The US court system has determined that all they can do is void the warranty and refuse service.

What I'm saying is; How does any court in the US feel that they should be able to shut down a company that creates a piece of software that violates Blizz's ToS? How is it any different than Apple's ToS and voided warranty for the same thing? The people that create the jailbreak are not subject to any legal action in the US.

 

[smurg]

Apple can detect it. The US court system has determined that all they can do is void the warranty and refuse service.

What I'm saying is; How does any court in the US feel that they should be able to shut down a company that creates a piece of software that violates Blizz's ToS? How is it any different than Apple's ToS and voided warranty for the same thing? The people that create the jailbreak are not subject to any legal action in the US.

Completely different scenarios. In wow you share the game space with other paying members and, according to Blizzard, damage their product by botting items and ruining the game experience for others.

Jailbreaking your own phone doesn't affect anyone else.

 

[LowKey]

Also, you are buying a physical product that you own, sort of, when you buy a cell phone. The same isn't true for WoW: you're paying monthly for access to their servers/services.

 

[Xarian]

no doubt, wow is a fun game but HUGE waste of time, huge drag and grind. u may think the game getting less grind with every patch, but the game still huge waste of time, especially if u have multiple toons. anyway as u know botting is not against any laws whatsoever. in fact blizzard has no rights to ban anyone for botting to level up. bliz is against the law if they were to force every player to do every single task in game with their real hand... do u know how many people suffer from RSI repetitive strain injury spamming buttons.. and there is no one single software in the world that dis-allow users to use automation... NONE! and blizzard has no exception.

what IS against the law is... that selling virtual properties for real money. blizzard has the right to claim the ownership of everything in game... so we have no rights to sell it. and they also have the right to not allow transfer of ownership. so we can't even 'GIVE' our account to a friend officially. this is why most people get banned is due to using bots farm and then sell the gold or account/characters for real money... because blizzard owns everything in game that's why they are selling stupid in game pets and mounts for $5 that's just fkn stupid, after u pay $5 for the pet u actually don't own the pet.. bliz still owns it, and if u are to sell that pet(if u can) to another player for real world money. u are against the law cos u are trying to sell someone else's properties.


have u ever wonder why in every single blizzard bans... it say that u are banned for 'Abusing the economy' and u are selling/buying gold for real world money etc etc, but not limit to using automation 3rd party software... they cannot ban u alone for just using bot, but 10million of wow player may not know. if u use bot to level up and not put thousands of item on AH or sell any of ur gold. u are not affecting the in game economy. they got no rights to ban u but they still do it anyway.

using software to automate gameplay may be not good for a multiplayer game. but tasks are soo repetitive that if are really to do it with fingers, millions of players will suffer from RSI, I can't believe why nobody had sue blizzard for injured fingers yet...

so in the end, botting is not illegal, blizzard try to fool us that its illegal... only selling/buying in-game properties is illegal. I don't get how bliz can win lawsuit vs glider, just cos they got more money. may be blizzard should get sue for forcing players to do repetitive task and painful fingers.

the amount of time need to spend in game is just ridiculous without bots.

Are people seriously STILL doing this shit?

A terms of service is not law...

Botting is LEGAL
Selling digital currency for real life money is LEGAL

Breaching a written contract is ILLEGAL.

Heres what your doing my friend

You accept a written contract first time you launch the game, and after every single patch explaining that the use of 3rd party automated software is per contact not ALLOWED within the virtual world created by owner of contract

You BREACH written contract

You now broke the law, by breaching a lawful written contract

Good job, now you understand why your post is completely and utterly hilarious.

 

[vcreation]

u know what's funny. in korea it is actually illegal for real to bot in MMOs. lmfao so all the korean guys will spend more time playing while korean girls go date other race... its so sad they make 'law' for that

 

[Giwin]

u know what's funny. in korea it is actually illegal for real to bot in MMOs. lmfao so all the korean guys will spend more time playing while korean girls go date other race... its so sad they make 'law' for that

they are many laws, but hows that gonna be enforceable? it's mainly aimed at poker bots etc.

 

[bambam922]

Wat.

 

[brainAbuddy]

true

not true, they can ban you for any reason they see fit.

nope they can't ban you without any reason, but the reason they can is because you have agreed to not use any bots-hacks.
it's prety weird they could also say in the agreement someting like "when you agree with this you will pay our bills" and because you agreed with that you need to do it. I'm not sure if this is also in USA but I'm sure this is in The Netherlands.

 

[El Fuego]

nope they can't ban you without any reason, but the reason they can is because you have agreed to not use any bots-hacks.
it's prety weird they could also say in the agreement someting like "when you agree with this you will pay our bills" and because you agreed with that you need to do it. I'm not sure if this is also in USA but I'm sure this is in The Netherlands.

Actually... they can ban you for any or no reason. Read the ToS. I have quoted this for people may times here on these forums:

Account Suspension/Deletion.

BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ANY BNET ACCOUNT OR WORLD OF WARCRAFT ACCOUNT AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU. For purposes of explanation and not limitation, most account suspensions, terminations and/or deletions are the result of violations of this Terms of Use or the EULA.

 

[Gentoo]

Next time they ban one of my accounts i will point them to this thread so you guys can edjumencate them.

 

[Dark57]

Wow, so many people talking like they have law degrees. I never knew botting was such a common practice among lawyers. You would think with this kind of legal representation we would have equal rights for bot marriage by now.