Bot farm - one man operation, can it be done?

[j0achim]

Hi,

Id say I'm a veteran botter in MMO's in general and I have been around these forums right from the start, however I had a break now where I got into some Bitcoin mining or rather alt-coin mining and made a ton of cash. However there is not a lot of profit in that any-more except speculations which is not really my thing, sitting on insane amount of coins that holds no value and at least not when I have hardware pulling as much as up to 8KW of power from the outlets.


So I have been playing around with some ideas, one was renting out my rigs as *****ing machines though I have some concerns about that as it sounds like it would be highly illegal, another was make a solution where people can rent access to rendering machines however if there is a market for it or not I have no clue. So back on topic as to why I'm actually posting here.


I am sitting on 25 top of the line graphic cards and I got thinking why not get back into botting on a more serious level, where I actually do it professionally as I'm sitting on a ton of really expensive hardware that could be running quite the farm.


So the questions I have:

• How automated are we these days. (semi important - One guy fulltime job, with family and kids)
• How much gold/$ can a toon produce a day. (most important aspect of this)
• What are the ban rate for farming toons. (important if automation is limited)

I would love to hear from someone who has some sort of experience selling to whole-stock gold selling companies, perhaps there are any such companies here who can provide me with some information. Feel free to either reply here or leave me a message.

 

[Faithful]

How automated are we these days. (semi important - One guy fulltime job, with family and kids) :- All depends on the bot, some I use are fully AFKable that have ran for days on end.

How much gold/$ can a toon produce a day. (most important aspect of this) :- You can make quite a lot at the moment due to WoD, I'd say at least 3k/h per account using a stable bot.

What are the ban rate for farming toons. (important if automation is limited) :- Can't really put a rate on bans, I'd say it's all based on how lucky you get, I've never been banned for gold farming but I've known people to get banned the same day they set up the bot...

I'd try to stick to a proper job if you actually rely on money, if not there's no harm in trying, with a powerful PC running 20 bots (average) all making 3k / h you can make some serious money. Let's say 12 hours of botting a day, 36k / day per account. 20 accounts is 720k gold per day which could sell for quite a fair bit, much higher than the average wage but there's always complications involved.

 

[brainAbuddy]

hey buddy

I don't really recommend doing this wihtout already having the power you need, because you will need a ton of starters money and a ton of good luck.
on me golden times I had 26 clients running 24/7 100% afk. it costed me 1k for the machine and more then 40 accounts where wasted with testing profiles and other stupid stuff and a ton of time! it isn't maybe that huge what I was doing but it was allot for me as an 17 years old kid who has no clue what he was doing ^^

you don't really need your graphics card for wow botting. of course you do need one but I always used the built-in graphics card in me motherboard

 

[Dockson]

You can make quite a lot at the moment due to WoD, I'd say at least 3k/h per account using a stable bot.

3k/h is a very generous estimation though. With battlechests (you aren't going to buy WoD with a large amount of accounts) you can get an easy 1-1.3k/h doing dungeons which is fully automated.

 

[brainAbuddy]

3k/h is a very generous estimation though. With battlechests (you aren't going to buy WoD with a large amount of accounts) you can get an easy 1-1.3k/h doing dungeons which is fully automated.

well that dungeon farming isn't the best way because we nobody is sure if it's really that good or not

 

[Dockson]

well that dungeon farming isn't the best way because we nobody is sure if it's really that good or not

It probably isn't the best way but it is super easy to automate with a large amount of clients. If someone can suggest something as reliable as dungeonrunning with 40 clients then please do tell (I don't run 40 but it sounds like OP wants to).

 

[Tentomas]

I am runing (trying to run) around 30 bots per time. For last 3 years. DungeonFarming. Even if you can run your system 100% afk you will find your self siting all day trying to find buyers, better prices to sell even in bulk, research about new ways to farm "where-why-how" improving profiles/timing. Creating new bot packs to lvl etc. Its a fcking addiction... Tried many times to limit my time spending on this... Imposibble.
Suggestion: Family+Kids and mass boting is not a 1 man job.

 

[j0achim]

Mind you that i have been botting in games now for 15 years. (i have been botting in other games during the time i was away)

When i left botting i WoW i was botting 10 accounts, where i had automated it down to the point where i turned on my machine and it would start everything (never turned my machines off though ). Not to mention the remote administration site i had written which i could use to monitor my bots on the go. (I work as a professional developer)


Back then i had a full process of leveling new characters through ore/herbing, it was a bit slower than what killing/questing was however i found it then to be the least buggy choice to level many toons at same time with least amount of maintenance. (i still have a stack of 50 copies of all WoW's upto and lich king unopened)


So i am not too worried about it being time consuming as doing these things are my second life.

 

[nocturnae]

Hi,

I'm actually playing around with the same kind of idea... And I know sites where one can sell wow gold (think the going rate is about 0.00060$/g).

Maybe we could put our heads together and see what we come up with? =)

Greetz

 

[Mrpsycho]

I'm also planning to run some bots, not that many but like 3-4 bots. I'm also playing wow legit on my main account, how should I do it? I mean I don't want my main to get banned, should I use a VPN? VM? If yes, any suggestions which one? Thanks

 

[wtfmofo]

I'm also planning to run some bots, not that many but like 3-4 bots. I'm also playing wow legit on my main account, how should I do it? I mean I don't want my main to get banned, should I use a VPN? VM? If yes, any suggestions which one? Thanks

If you dont want your main account banned then dont bot.

 

[Mrpsycho]

I don't bot on my main account, this is why I ask if I should run my Bot-Accounts on A VPN or VM..

 

[Soullinker]

@OP you don't need powerful GPU's for WoW. The things you need is a good CPU and RAM, GPU's are irreverent. You will find people here running with no GPU only with the on board one. Of course this is a bad news for you as you are coin miner and its logical to have shit CPU and RAM. If you really want to bot why not use the GPU to farm a coin and the CPU and RAM to bot WoW? Surely there is some coin outhere.

I am not a big time botter the most i had running was 25 bots and they got banned fast and did not even managed to get my money back. But as far as i have deducted from being banned left and write is that having one PC that host the majority of your bots is a bad thing. I have a laptop that can support 3 bots, which was spared in numerous bans on my PC running up to 10-15 bots. Its seems they ban by HWID and MAC at least in my case. I would wager that smaller(power wise) but multiple pc are they way to go for a sizable farm. Ip seem to not matter so much as both the laptop and PC are on the same IP(maybe it will matter if you have 40-50 accounts on 1 router).

When i was running 25 bots i had 5 on each realm: I am not sure why exactly seemed a good idea at that time, but i did have problems finding stuff to farm. Different stuff had different demand on every server. If one server needed leather another need cloth and some servers did not need anything that i had profiles for. Dungeon farming is very popular right now and many people do it because its pure gold and it work on every realm in every situation, but seeing how hot it is i doubt it will last very long before a nice complex script is made by blizzard to detect and ban fast people using dungeons. I honestly did not managed to find a job for 25 bots. I could figured something out but it takes ton of time to do so, and in case of old materials the market gets saturated very fast and prices drop so you need each bot to farm multiple stuff.

Prices do vary greatly because wow is a old game the most popular one to bot on. There are price spikes every patch and every new expansion but it depends on a lot of things. People get bored, maybe an exploit is found that only the competition knows and price for gold plummets to the ground. This is a big problem because the ones 10k gold per day that could be 3 euro per account becomes just 2 euro per account and then it ruins your whole plan. Because that is 30 euro less per account at the end of the month and in case of 10 bots that is 300 euro less. Then you have to compensate either by more bots or a way to farm for more gold or more hours and then you get hit by the hammer. I had servers that gold was selling for 0.19 on certain realms before wod that is less than 1,9 euro per day. All i am trying to say that you must constantly adapt and it takes a lot of time for a huge uncertainty. I don't know where you live OP, but if it in the USA or some decent EU country botting is not worth it. I believe there are better ways to make money for the time invested in a first world country. Now its a different thing if you live in developing country or east europe or somewhere where minimal wage is 200 euro.

Also consider the competition. Your competition does not play fair(coming from a cheating bot scum this is rich). For example the hottest method that Chinese or Moldavian botters use are stolen credit cards to boost to lv 90 and farm as much as they can before the card gets recovered and the money returned to the right owner. The botter cares not if he gets banned, no money to lose only to gain. Its quite accurate to say that imo there is a whole mafia in gold selling. Even so big game farmers even if not Chinese will not help you or tell you their secrets as you are stranger on the net. Sure profiles pop here and there from random users having a modest number of accounts but the best ones are of course private and secret.

 

[wtfmofo]

I don't bot on my main account, this is why I ask if I should run my Bot-Accounts on A VPN or VM..

Again if you dont want your main account banned then dont bot. It doesnt matter what you do you will eventually lose your main.

 

[wtfmofo]

@OP you don't need powerful GPU's for WoW. The things you need is a good CPU and RAM, GPU's are irreverent. You will find people here running with no GPU only with the on board one. Of course this is a bad news for you as you are coin miner and its logical to have shit CPU and RAM. If you really want to bot why not use the GPU to farm a coin and the CPU and RAM to bot WoW? Surely there is some coin outhere.

I am not a big time botter the most i had running was 25 bots and they got banned fast and did not even managed to get my money back. But as far as i have deducted from being banned left and write is that having one PC that host the majority of your bots is a bad thing. I have a laptop that can support 3 bots, which was spared in numerous bans on my PC running up to 10-15 bots. Its seems they ban by HWID and MAC at least in my case. I would wager that smaller(power wise) but multiple pc are they way to go for a sizable farm. Ip seem to not matter so much as both the laptop and PC are on the same IP(maybe it will matter if you have 40-50 accounts on 1 router).

When i was running 25 bots i had 5 on each realm: I am not sure why exactly seemed a good idea at that time, but i did have problems finding stuff to farm. Different stuff had different demand on every server. If one server needed leather another need cloth and some servers did not need anything that i had profiles for. Dungeon farming is very popular right now and many people do it because its pure gold and it work on every realm in every situation, but seeing how hot it is i doubt it will last very long before a nice complex script is made by blizzard to detect and ban fast people using dungeons. I honestly did not managed to find a job for 25 bots. I could figured something out but it takes ton of time to do so, and in case of old materials the market gets saturated very fast and prices drop so you need each bot to farm multiple stuff.

Prices do vary greatly because wow is a old game the most popular one to bot on. There are price spikes every patch and every new expansion but it depends on a lot of things. People get bored, maybe an exploit is found that only the competition knows and price for gold plummets to the ground. This is a big problem because the ones 10k gold per day that could be 3 euro per account becomes just 2 euro per account and then it ruins your whole plan. Because that is 30 euro less per account at the end of the month and in case of 10 bots that is 300 euro less. Then you have to compensate either by more bots or a way to farm for more gold or more hours and then you get hit by the hammer. I had servers that gold was selling for 0.19 on certain realms before wod that is less than 1,9 euro per day. All i am trying to say that you must constantly adapt and it takes a lot of time for a huge uncertainty. I don't know where you live OP, but if it in the USA or some decent EU country botting is not worth it. I believe there are better ways to make money for the time invested in a first world country. Now its a different thing if you live in developing country or east europe or somewhere where minimal wage is 200 euro.

Also consider the competition. Your competition does not play fair(coming from a cheating bot scum this is rich). For example the hottest method that Chinese or Moldavian botters use are stolen credit cards to boost to lv 90 and farm as much as they can before the card gets recovered and the money returned to the right owner. The botter cares not if he gets banned, no money to lose only to gain. Its quite accurate to say that imo there is a whole mafia in gold selling. Even so big game farmers even if not Chinese will not help you or tell you their secrets as you are stranger on the net. Sure profiles pop here and there from random users having a modest number of accounts but the best ones are of course private and secret.

I run 2 different PC's botting and every time Ive been banned it was a total blanket.

 

[Soullinker]

I run 2 different PC's botting and every time Ive been banned it was a total blanket.

Hmm strange my laptop always survives no matter what. I doubt it is because it runs only 3 accounts. I had at least 4 cases where my PC gets banned and laptop survives.

I once even had a dungeon team of 2 acc on my PC and 3 on the laptop. The ones on the laptop survived even though they were same party as the ones on the PC.

 

[Croga]

Errrrm.... not to discourage you but.....

You have 25 top-of-the-line GRAPHICS cards...... Those are utterly utterly useless if you want to go botting... Worse; they will plummet your profits since they slurp enormous amounts of electricity. I sincerely doubt you'd be able to even break even against electricity costs (1 of those cards ran 24/7 will cost you about 1000 euros per year in electricity alone)

Best bet: Sell those cards to gaming enthousiasts. If you then still want to bot, use the money from ONE of those cards to buy 5 cheapass graphics cards (or 1 or 2 full PCs) and start botting on those.

 

[Mrpsycho]

Again if you dont want your main account banned then dont bot. It doesnt matter what you do you will eventually lose your main.

Okay let me ask the question otherwise so you will understand it:
How can i lower the risk of getting banned? Using my Bot-accounts on a VPN or a VM? I don't want my main getting banned, but if it does: who cares? Just pixels.

 

[ladygamer]

I'm actually on the same problem as the OP, tho not at that scale, i have 5 super computers and would love to start up a botfarm =) I have 9 lifetime sessions collecting dust, so would love to start doing it again.

I actually started and have 5 MOP accounts atm (not wod as of yet). How bad are the bans on 24/7 dungeon farming? as it seems that's what a lot is doing Thinking of making a 30 farm in the end =)

I know where to sell the gold (have sold diablo/runescape) gold before...(have contribute on OC).....

Wow is a diff animal.. would love to have a buddy to do this with =) , I have the capital, and the computers. Just need a lil bit of knowledge on the WoW Botting aspects

 

[tmill]

Message me on skype tony.miller30 I would like to work with you to achieve best automation and gold per hour. I have profiles planned but need a coder to help