Bossland style

[matt84]

So I am afraid, it will be like shutted down for you.

If we had better alternatives for WoW botting, why not?

But we indeed have no other decent bot on the market, so we have to stick with this one.

And no, I would not continue to play WoW by hands anymore, we are not 2005!

nothing you can say makes this action excusable, there is no justifiable defense and it's illegal

 

[Aion]

nothing you can say makes this action excusable, there is no justifiable defense and it's illegal

I do not try to make it excusable, lol, and I do not really care if this is legal or not.

My power company cuts me much more than 25 euro monthly on my place, the gas corporations have formed a cartel in my country too, the gas is 1 euro, when the oil is as cheap as possible, so I spend 150 euro monthly, when the countries next to us are spending 110 euro for this volume.

Is that legal - no, but I have more important tasks in my life, than going for class actions for 25 euro, spent in 2011.

Both the banwaves in November 2016 was illegal too? Right! Most of us have lost much more than 25 euro, but life goes on.

I just want to bot WoW, and Honorbuddy is still the best alternative.

 

[matt84]

I do not try to make it excusable, lol, and I do not really care if this is legal or not.

My power company cuts me much more than 25 euro monthly on my place, the gas corporations have formed a cartel in my country too, the gas is 1 euro, when the oil is as cheap as possible, so I spend 150 euro monthly, when the countries next to us are spending 110 euro for this volume.

Is that legal - no, but I have more important tasks in my life, than going for class actions for 25 euro, spent in 2011.

Both the banwaves in November 2016 was illegal too? Right! Most of us have lost much more than 25 euro, but life goes on.

I just want to bot WoW, and Honorbuddy is still the best alternative.

The fact you can't see it's about principle not the money is half the problem, you don't support corrupt business practices or it set's precendent that it's ok to just walk all over consumers for their own benefit, it's about standing up for consumer rights and getting what we paid for, so companies don't think it's ok to rip us off as they see fit. Not only that but none of the banwaves are illegal, blizzard has every right to ban cheaters from their game as they see fit i might not like it but i can stand by their decision because it's their game and they have the right to ban people who break their terms of service.

 

[blewsclewsnews]

Both the banwaves in November 2016 was illegal too? Right! Most of us have lost much more than 25 euro, but life goes on.

No, they were not illegal. Blizz has the right to ban any account at any time they want. They told all of us that up front and all of us agreed to that.

Bossland, however, does not have the right to breach a contract with no notice and no way to recoup lost money on a guaranteed lifetime key. Bossland told us up front that our lifetime keys would be valid for a lifetime with no other strings attached. None of us have broken Bossland's ToS. Bossland has broken his own ToS with his greediness.

You can't even compare the situations from a legal standpoint.

Additionally, most of us are losing a helluva lot more than $25 from this. You don't actually think most of us only have 1 lifetime key, do you?

 

[selfadmirer]

"Will existing 'Lifetime' sessions still work?"

Yes. Any existing 'Lifetime' sessions will continue to work as expected with no expiration date.[1] The only limitation is that 'Lifetime' sessions are no longer offered for sale, and existing single session 'Lifetime' keys can no longer be expanded with the 1-to-3 session offer.

"My lifetime key is showing a 3600 days duration, instead of infinity. Is this right?"
This is nothing to be concerned about. Lifetime keys shows up with a "Days Allowed" of 3600. This is an implementation artifact. If the game is still going in 10 years, the key will be extended.
This... Plus
If you let them do this, they will always continue to rob you always.

 

[socrates3]

DISCLAMER

II The services on Bossland GmbH ("Bossland") web site are provided "as is". Bossland makes no warranties, expressed or implied, and hereby disclaims and negates all other warranties, including without limitation, implied warranties or conditions of merchantability, or non-infringement of intellectual property or other violation of rights.

They are totally covered, to all the morons thinking they have a class action on their hands.

Class action talk is just laughable. Honorbuddy fights blizzard regularly in court, they can handle a few disgruntled users with 0 physical documentation from the time of the sale.

 

[Aion]

The fact you can't see it's about principle not the money is half the problem, you don't support corrupt business practices or it set's precendent that it's ok to just walk all over consumers for their own benefit, it's about standing up for consumer rights and getting what we paid for, so companies don't think it's ok to rip us off as they see fit. Not only that but none of the banwaves are illegal, blizzard has every right to ban cheaters from their game as they see fit i might not like it but i can stand by their decision because it's their game and they have the right to ban people who break their terms of service.

Its sad, that even of you pretend to stand on your "consumer rights" do allow Blizzard to get your money, and revoke the game service because of ingame violation.

Have you initiated a class action vs Blizzard for this? Yes? I doubt it

Guess what, here in the most European countries this is illegal, and anyone, who cared to initiate small claim vs Blizzard in EU the proper way, have won it.

Of course, Blizzard would usually not unlock again your precious account, but you would get the money refunded for the account closure.

Anyway, we are discussing the Bossland stuff here, not Blizzards one.

 

[blewsclewsnews]

Bossland never offered us a warranty on anything, so saying that our warranties are void is not a valid point.

And zero physical documentation? How about the wiki page, hosted by honorbuddy, and updated by the HB staff, that our lifetime keys are good for a lifetime?

What's your argument to that?

 

[blewsclewsnews]

Anyway, we are discussing the Bossland stuff here, not Blizzards one.

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You're the one that brought up Blizzard banning accounts...You do remember that, right?

Are you just upset that you got called out on your BS?

 

[matt84]

DISCLAMER

II The services on Bossland GmbH ("Bossland") web site are provided "as is". Bossland makes no warranties, expressed or implied, and hereby disclaims and negates all other warranties, including without limitation, implied warranties or conditions of merchantability, or non-infringement of intellectual property or other violation of rights.

They are totally covered, to all the morons thinking they have a class action on their hands.

Class action talk is just laughable. Honorbuddy fights blizzard regularly in court, they can handle a few disgruntled users with 0 physical documentation from the time of the sale.

A Disclaimer doesn't negate consumer rights.

"Will existing 'Lifetime' sessions still work?"

Yes. Any existing 'Lifetime' sessions will continue to work as expected with no expiration date.[1] The only limitation is that 'Lifetime' sessions are no longer offered for sale, and existing single session 'Lifetime' keys can no longer be expanded with the 1-to-3 session offer.

"My lifetime key is showing a 3600 days duration, instead of infinity. Is this right?"
This is nothing to be concerned about. Lifetime keys shows up with a "Days Allowed" of 3600. This is an implementation artifact. If the game is still going in 10 years, the key will be extended.

plus this

 

[matt84]

Its sad, that even of you pretend to stand on your "consumer rights" do allow Blizzard to get your money, and revoke the game service because of ingame violation.

Have you initiated a class action vs Blizzard for this? Yes? I doubt it

Guess what, here in the most European countries this is illegal, and anyone, who cared to initiate small claim vs Blizzard in EU the proper way, have won it.

Of course, Blizzard would usually not unlock again your precious account, but you would get the money refunded for the account closure.

Anyway, we are discussing the Bossland stuff here, not Blizzards one.

You're the one who keeps bringing up blizzard and if i wanted my money back from them i would get my money back from them.


I don't want my money back from bossland either, i wan't him to be held accountbale for the product he sold me and honor his lifetime commitment to the product.

Edit - and by that i mean for the lifetime of the product, if he isn't going to honor my lifetime key anymore, the product should be shut down.

 

[snowmn313]

Its sad, that even of you pretend to stand on your "consumer rights" do allow Blizzard to get your money, and revoke the game service because of ingame violation.

Have you initiated a class action vs Blizzard for this? Yes? I doubt it

Guess what, here in the most European countries this is illegal, and anyone, who cared to initiate small claim vs Blizzard in EU the proper way, have won it.

Of course, Blizzard would usually not unlock again your precious account, but you would get the money refunded for the account closure.

Anyway, we are discussing the Bossland stuff here, not Blizzards one.

so youre excuse for honorbuddy is because it updated to 3.0?
what about demonbuddy whats your excuse for them losing their lifetime keys?

defend it all you want but you wont have a developing job here much longer with all the customers buddy bots are losing lol

 

[Aion]

Additionally, most of us are losing a helluva lot more than $25 from this. You don't actually think most of us only have 1 lifetime key, do you?

I feel for your loss, mate.

I will loose 12 lifetime keys in 2 hours, when 18 Jan GMT hits, this makes 300 euro, right?

But I am perfectly happy with my "loss"!

Gold farmed in my spare time with those 12 sessions from 2011 to 2014, earned & sold gold for more than $20k in the timespan of those 3 years.

I was happy to get paid for $500-$800 monthly in those 2-3 hours, I spent daily on the botting, while worked hard in my day job 8 hours/5 days/week for less than $300 per month.

So I must admit, those are one of the best "lost" 300 euro in my lifetime.

 

[socrates3]

The fact you can't see it's about principle not the money is half the problem, you don't support corrupt business practices or it set's precendent that it's ok to just walk all over consumers for their own benefit, it's about standing up for consumer rights and getting what we paid for, so companies don't think it's ok to rip us off as they see fit. Not only that but none of the banwaves are illegal, blizzard has every right to ban cheaters from their game as they see fit i might not like it but i can stand by their decision because it's their game and they have the right to ban people who break their terms of service.

LOL @ principles. We are all cheaters dude.

 

[matt84]

I see it the same way.

This is what Aion doesn't seem to get, i don't care about the money... i care about my rights as a consumer, i don't care what blizzard does, i don't care what bossland does... BUT if he breaches my rights as a consumer it's a problem, i don't want the money back, i want my LIFETIME key to be held in standing as what it's meant to be or i wan't the product shut down rendering my key invalid. what i DO NOT want, is for the money i invested into a LIFETIME key to be thrown back in my face because they remove the key and keep selling the product.

 

[matt84]

LOL @ principles. We are all cheaters dude.

Cheating has nothing to do with principles. on principle i never PvP botted, but i did use the bot to level my characters. using a bot doesn't make you a bad person, it doesn't mean you don't have principles or can't stand up for things you believe in, i don't get how thats such a difficult concept for you to grasp.

 

[Aion]

so youre excuse for honorbuddy is because it updated to 3.0?
what about demonbuddy whats your excuse for them losing their lifetime keys?

defend it all you want but you wont have a developing job here much longer with all the customers buddy bots are losing lol

You must be impersonating our role on this board, mate.

We are Community Developers, with access to sell our own stuff on the Buddy Store, we are part of the community, we are not hired from the Buddy Staff to do developing job for them.

They threat us not differently than any other customers, and we do buy our own Honorbuddy keys too.

No need to mention, all us do not write stuff for the Buddy Store for the living, some have day time jobs, others are running software companies, or working as freelancer developers etc.

LOL @ principles. We are all cheaters dude.

Actually nop.

We are not cheaters.

Blizzard "legally" cheat on us, forcing players do perform repeated and boring actions for months or even years, in competitive environment, just for the sake to "earn" another month of gametime from us.

If you have played other similar games, which do allow from players quite a lot of automation, to reduce the boring tasks as much as minimum.

But the way Blizzard is leading the game, do force the people to use automation.

Just one example - In our hardcore 40 man guild in Vanilla, our officer Rogue completed his Bloodfang set "just" 54 weeks after our very first kill of Ragnaros (When obviously it was not really needed)

We farmed Ragnaros for more than a year, 53 concussive kills without Bloodfang Pants drop. I was dancing with Perdition's Blade on the Ironforge bridge on my priest main (all rogues had it already), long before the casual rogues on the realm had a chance to see Ragnaros!

Someone would call this RNG. No! This is poor game design by Blizzard Entertainment. And I am 100% confident, that this is intended, just because it push the farming up!

 

[Frayman]

DISCLAMER

II The services on Bossland GmbH ("Bossland") web site are provided "as is". Bossland makes no warranties, expressed or implied, and hereby disclaims and negates all other warranties, including without limitation, implied warranties or conditions of merchantability, or non-infringement of intellectual property or other violation of rights.

They are totally covered, to all the morons thinking they have a class action on their hands.

Class action talk is just laughable. Honorbuddy fights blizzard regularly in court, they can handle a few disgruntled users with 0 physical documentation from the time of the sale.

This is very true what you say here! they can handle a few disgruntled users, but the name of the game for a COMPANY in business isn't to manhandle their paying customers and "handle" them in court.

WE the paying customers are the ones keeping this product alive, if they don't want to recognize our value to them they will soon find out what diminishing income will do to them.

 

[gippy]

If the bot is now v3, how can it be worse than v2? The "new" navigation system talked about earlier is terrible, it gets stuck everywhere and when used it conjunction with questing bot, the bot either afks at lower levels or runs backwards and forwards due to it thinking its stuck with the "new" crap stuck feature.

The bg bot hasnt had an update since around 2013, its not worth using unless you enjoy watching you character run against bg gates and walls or following massive bot trains/running in circles in random spots. Singular is complete garbage when it comes to most classes. Take the lock routine for example, it spam heals your pet until your character is low enough to get 1 shot by an random aoe.

Dungeonbuddy is terrible, wod dungeons are still crap for example and theyve been out for years now. If this is anything to go by, Legion dungeons are miles off. I mean even timewlkaing isnt supported and theyre basically old instances.

I mean when you upgrade to something, its meant to be an upgrade. Not the same shit but with a different name.

 

[reconnect]

HB 3.0 was dramatically changed - server based navigation is new concept for WoW-based bot. You as customer do not need to care for such stuff, but the inside changes was fundamental.

HB 2.0 was playable for several months too ( up to 7.1 I think)

So its support was ended.

I really loved Windows XP, but Microsoft stopped supporting it long time ago, do I have to sue M$ for this? Even the second favorite OS for me - Win 7 gets its support suspended anytime soon, and I would be forced to migrate to Windows 10, even if I do not like to.

We like or not, thats the life.

Things we care as customers weren't taken in consideration anyways (Anti-Warden Detection etc).

Hb 2.0 is strictly the same shit as Hb 3.0 except for the fact that 3.0 has more bugs.

Your key to install Windows XP still works though.

Your rhetoric is shitty and easily countered, should go back to school so you learn more about fallacies.

Until then, get rekt~