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Blizzard needs to lower the 0.25 limit!

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any clown could invest $2 into a gem, then pop the gold the gem yielded up on the RMAH for a $ profit, then use those profits to buy more gems, etc... How on earth do you expect to get rid of gold in a timely fashion with a system like this? rofl the rmah has an infinite supply of gold while the value of gold is below their price floor, the problem is, no one wants it... but whatever, you silly people enjoy trying to sell your gold for $0.25/m. Everyone who needs things done in a timely fashion will take the market price, while you silly people sit on billions of gold that is depreciating faster than the usd! lol!
 
goldfarb said:
any clown could invest $2 into a gem, then pop the gold the gem yielded up on the RMAH for a $ profit, then use those profits to buy more gems, etc... How on earth do you expect to get rid of gold in a timely fashion with a system like this? rofl the rmah has an infinite supply of gold while the value of gold is below their price floor, the problem is, no one wants it... but whatever, you silly people enjoy trying to sell your gold for $0.25/m. Everyone who needs things done in a timely fashion will take the market price, while you silly people sit on billions of gold that is depreciating faster than the usd! lol!
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I took it as he was curious about where to buy cheap gold
 
derico5 said:
1-2 hours ago blizz started with closing bot+rmah-accounts of bigger chinese farms/re-resellers. Price raised about 0.30 per mil. Sounds low, but compared with blackmarket, thats ~10 percent. Dunno if they carry on... We will see.
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bizzy1one said:
I've hoped for this for a good while now and seems to be a logical step for Blizzard... but atm it still seems just that .... hope.

I do on the other hand have sincere hope that you actually know what you are talking about and somehow have some inside info.
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You mean EU gold price right? Because the US gold price is still at 0.25 per mil.
 
no... you're just unlucky.

I list 550m every 12 hours. Sometimes none sells, sometimes 25% sells, sometimes all sells. This week, I've sold about 1.5B
 
nope, i cant agree there. scamming - dishonest, botting - hard work and honest business.
 
dartex008 said:
nope, i cant agree there. scamming - dishonest, botting - hard work and honest business.
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Oh lord ... aaaaaand here we go.

I will agree that when you rank dishonest or shamed upon things in games... botting would rank lower than scamming but it is in no way an honest business. You are automating something on a large scale that directly hurts every legit player that plays the game. You are fucking him just as hard only he doesnt see it because its just the tip until it adds up to total economy fuckage.

If you for real think botting is an honest legit business then i'd hate to come in contact with your IRL morals. Is rape ok if you're good looking? Or what about if you steal as long as they dont see you?

Sometimes I wish i'd have taken psychology just to understand people like you.
 
bizzy1one said:
Oh lord ... aaaaaand here we go.

I will agree that when you rank dishonest or shamed upon things in games... botting would rank lower than scamming but it is in no way an honest business. You are automating something on a large scale that directly hurts every legit player that plays the game. You are fucking him just as hard only he doesnt see it because its just the tip until it adds up to total economy fuckage.

If you for real think botting is an honest legit business then i'd hate to come in contact with your IRL morals. Is rape ok if you're good looking? Or what about if you steal as long as they dont see you?

Sometimes I wish i'd have taken psychology just to understand people like you.
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Honest gaming can be frowned upon by conservative societies because gaming is viewed as socially unproductive by said societies. Staunch religious groups and etc have viewed gaming as immoral.
 
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bizzy1one said:
Oh lord ... aaaaaand here we go.

I will agree that when you rank dishonest or shamed upon things in games... botting would rank lower than scamming but it is in no way an honest business. You are automating something on a large scale that directly hurts every legit player that plays the game. You are fucking him just as hard only he doesnt see it because its just the tip until it adds up to total economy fuckage.

If you for real think botting is an honest legit business then i'd hate to come in contact with your IRL morals. Is rape ok if you're good looking? Or what about if you steal as long as they dont see you?

Sometimes I wish i'd have taken psychology just to understand people like you.
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Comparing botting with raping and stealing IRL? Makes sense ye. Scamming is stealing DIRECTLY from someone and if you ever been scammed you'd know the feeling and would realise why i feel strongly against it. Botting might even help a regular player because in the end it might save his personal time(more mats at AH when he wants to level a profession, possibility to buy some bot-farmed stuff(mounts, pets, mats) for cheap off the AH which wouldnt be there if there were no bots etc.) But at least now i can see why some people act so bad-ass here, they consider themself something awesome, like criminals i guess.
 
bizzy1one said:
Oh lord ... aaaaaand here we go.

I will agree that when you rank dishonest or shamed upon things in games... botting would rank lower than scamming but it is in no way an honest business. You are automating something on a large scale that directly hurts every legit player that plays the game. You are fucking him just as hard only he doesnt see it because its just the tip until it adds up to total economy fuckage.

If you for real think botting is an honest legit business then i'd hate to come in contact with your IRL morals. Is rape ok if you're good looking? Or what about if you steal as long as they dont see you?

Sometimes I wish i'd have taken psychology just to understand people like you.
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It really depends on the economy of the game.
Allow me to explain:
In the case of item farming, by farming ton of items bots lower the price on some items(lets say gems). If one farmed for gold 10 min to buy one gem with bots the guy will farm 5 min because lower the price. Same as weapons and armors. Botting is good for buyers because they have bigger choice and lower price on items.
In the item farm the one suffering are the people that try to sell. Because a mepho will not cost 100 mil it will cost 10mil, or the same thing as gems.
Of course in games in order to buy you need to sell, so in D3 case ppl are kind of forced to use real money. Unless they farm something that no bot farms and is still in demand. In that case the average player just win.

HOWEVER this is not the case with gold farming. As this one just directly harms the economy and inflates prices. At some point gold is farmed at such staggering rate that its pointless to farm gold by hand or even on 1 account. As a result prices on items rises because of the surplus of gold, while mobs still drop the same amount of gold. Resulting in average players just getting poorer and is forced to buy gold, or wait for uber item to fall.
Still because of the way item farming works that uber items is not so uber, so average player is fucked up.

I dare say that at some time the average botter with 1-3 account is going to get fucked too.

So all in all we just harm the economy tremendously but that is in D3. For instance in wow you can find cheap ass mats and craft them and sell items with 100-150 % profit. No such option in D3.

The thing that worries me that blizzard just can't put a item sink, they need to target just the gold that bots produce and the items we farm, because of they hit the average player with some heavy gold sink he is bankrupt.
 
aaron913 said:
I took it as he was curious about where to buy cheap gold
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I wasn't responding to anyone in particular, just a general comment..


and to anyone who thinks botters help legit players - LOL!

Items might be cheaper, but guess what the cost of these cheaper items is?

Legit players have an impossible time getting a foothold in the economy... Or in other words, items might be cheaper, but they still can't afford them.

Why? Simply consider how a legit player is going to get the gold to buy one of these "cheaper" items...

They will have to sell items...which, because of botters, are worth much less now! So legit players will have much less gold to spend on items, BECAUSE OF BOTTERS.

So in other words, botters are making it even more difficult for legit players to acquire items, not making it easier...even though the price of items has dropped.

It's ironic that someone could think lower item prices benefits legit players, ignoring the fact that legit players would have to sell the items for less to get the gold to buy the cheaper items. The cheaper items is what is screwing over legit players. The economy is flooded with items of all sorts by bots, so anything a legit player finds is completely worthless.... rofl

and the stealing example that someone else put forward is spot on. Botters steal from legit players by undermining all of their efforts in this game. Lol@the sucker who grinded legitly to p100 and lol@all the suckers manually running through a3, bored out of their skull, so they can find something that the mass of botters have rendered almost worthless.
 
A price floor is the lowest legal price a commodity can be sold at. Price floors are used by the government to prevent prices from being too low. The most common price floor is the minimum wage--the minimum price that can be payed for labor. Price floors are also used often in agriculture to try to protect farmers.

For a price floor to be effective, it must be set above the equilibrium price. If it's not above equilibrium, then the market won't sell below equilibrium and the price floor will be irrelevant.

A few crazy things start to happen when a price floor is set. First of all, the price floor has raised the price above what it was at equilibrium, so the demanders (consumers) aren't willing to buy as much quantity. The demanders will purchase the quantity where the quantity demanded is equal to the price floor, or where the demand curve intersects the price floor line. On the other hand, since the price is higher than what it would be at equilibrium, the suppliers (producers) are willing to supply more than the equilibrium quantity. They will supply where their marginal cost is equal to the price floor, or where the supply curve intersects the price floor line.

Basically, lowering the price floor will temporarily increase demand for gold, so you will see a bit more sales going through, but that extra demand will dry up fairly quickly and you'll basically be selling no gold anyways. Fundamental problems with the game need to be fixed in order to increase the demand for gold long term.
 
nope . blizzard put a price floor on gold to give gold a false sense of value that's all ;)
it is also a marketing move to show that if gold values something the game must be good :)
removing the floor will make the gold sell at it's real value and gold will sell ( and fast i would say) this will also mean a lot lower profits but you can't sell gold anyway curently so..there is no damage ( only in people's minds that can't accept the game is dead )
but anyway as someone already said im amazed the game lasted so long and that you could make money from it for so long . this game had the same content for 6 months :D !!!( i mean i got bored of it in 1month lol ) and will stay dead until expansion cos their blog update is bullshit . new legs will not make players come back only new content (if it is good)
 
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Sinnerman said:
A price floor is the lowest legal price a commodity can be sold at. Price floors are used by the government to prevent prices from being too low. The most common price floor is the minimum wage--the minimum price that can be payed for labor. Price floors are also used often in agriculture to try to protect farmers.

For a price floor to be effective, it must be set above the equilibrium price. If it's not above equilibrium, then the market won't sell below equilibrium and the price floor will be irrelevant.

A few crazy things start to happen when a price floor is set. First of all, the price floor has raised the price above what it was at equilibrium, so the demanders (consumers) aren't willing to buy as much quantity. The demanders will purchase the quantity where the quantity demanded is equal to the price floor, or where the demand curve intersects the price floor line. On the other hand, since the price is higher than what it would be at equilibrium, the suppliers (producers) are willing to supply more than the equilibrium quantity. They will supply where their marginal cost is equal to the price floor, or where the supply curve intersects the price floor line.

Basically, lowering the price floor will temporarily increase demand for gold, so you will see a bit more sales going through, but that extra demand will dry up fairly quickly and you'll basically be selling no gold anyways. Fundamental problems with the game need to be fixed in order to increase the demand for gold long term.
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words of wisdom
 
goldfarb said:
I wasn't responding to anyone in particular, just a general comment..


and to anyone who thinks botters help legit players - LOL!

Items might be cheaper, but guess what the cost of these cheaper items is?

Legit players have an impossible time getting a foothold in the economy... Or in other words, items might be cheaper, but they still can't afford them.

Why? Simply consider how a legit player is going to get the gold to buy one of these "cheaper" items...

They will have to sell items...which, because of botters, are worth much less now! So legit players will have much less gold to spend on items, BECAUSE OF BOTTERS.

So in other words, botters are making it even more difficult for legit players to acquire items, not making it easier...even though the price of items has dropped.

It's ironic that someone could think lower item prices benefits legit players, ignoring the fact that legit players would have to sell the items for less to get the gold to buy the cheaper items. The cheaper items is what is screwing over legit players. The economy is flooded with items of all sorts by bots, so anything a legit player finds is completely worthless.... rofl

and the stealing example that someone else put forward is spot on. Botters steal from legit players by undermining all of their efforts in this game. Lol@the sucker who grinded legitly to p100 and lol@all the suckers manually running through a3, bored out of their skull, so they can find something that the mass of botters have rendered almost worthless.
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In case you are responding to my comment i will urge you to re-read and mostly this part:
In the item farm the one suffering are the people that try to sell. Because a mepho will not cost 100 mil it will cost 10mil, or the same thing as gems.
Of course in games in order to buy you need to sell, so in D3 case ppl are kind of forced to use real money. Unless they farm something that no bot farms and is still in demand. In that case the average player just win.
 
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