Appears that I've got banned on 2 accounts.... 1 that did bot on and another one that demonbuddy never touched. I never traded any gold between the 2 accounts. Only thing I did was to give the bot account some gear when I dinged 60 with it, and that was several months ago. Question is why they banned my non bot account? I did run both my bot and my main account at the same time with d3starter, but can that be it?
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I think they just compare the IP and HARDWARE ID and if they match with an account that has been flagged for botting - you get all the matching accounts hammered. Makes sense to use such method, don't u think? That proves you are using the bot and the other account on the same PC..
What if i and a few neighbors share a router. Could blizzard make a difference between our IPs behind a router..or if 1 of us use bot..then all get banned ?
I don't think they would do that, even if they can. There are several places were comps are shared (and so does Ip's), like cybercafes, student residences, hospitals....I don't think there's anything in their ToU that forbids the use of the program in a shared computer.
Even so, why aren't most main accounts banned? Just a few in this banwave seems to have been hit. And it should be very usual to be using a flagged account and your main account under the same ip-hardware id, I know I did and my main is still alive.
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Read carefully.. not only IP, but HARDWARE ID, which is unique for every PC. There is the client id of d3 as well and after months of no bans people, including myself, got careless. I am not saying this is the reason behind mule bans, it is just a simple theory, showing how one would connect a bot to a mule account on the same pc, having proof of them being on the same pc.
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Two of my non-botting accs, aka mules, are still safe, but two are banned. Go figure.
By hardware Id you mean Mac Address i presume ? If now, where can i see it ?
As far as i can remember there was a way to change the mac address..and if i do..and use one of the many programs for anonymity online..won't that kind of confuse blizzard ? Even if i change my mac and ip trough some periods of time..that probably wont save me if at the moment when they decide to ban i have some bots running under that same IP ..but still...
I've seen the term used normally referring to Hard Disk ID. Kind of a serial number that every HDD or SSD as labelled within, and could be used to identify a computer. There are ways to change it , just like MAC ID (that is the same but instead of talking about the HDD, it refers to the Network Card). Another way of identyfing a computer would be the usage of WINDOWS ID. This one can also be changed, but it is quite more tricky and messes with windows user accounts, with can end up with your windows completely messed up and asking for a format loudly.
When using internet based programs, like any game that requires you to connect to a server to be allowed in, mac Id is usually sent with other info to the logging server, as it seems to be sent all the time with the conection specifics. Both Hardware ID and Windows ID wouldn't necesarily be sent along, but who knows.
All this info I found reading these forums and googling a few hours in the past; I'm not a computer tech at all and could be completely mistaken, so don't take anything I say for granted!
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Nobody truely knows what it's all about but them. I changed Ip's periodically , as did mac id changes and hardware idd changes. It didn't help. It's either behaviour / pattern recognition or software recognition, which is as much as saying we don't have a fucking clue why we are being banned (other than because we used a bot, lol).
I even had a time when I used 9 different d3 installations, back in the day when I didn't knew about yar and d3starter. Guess what? Didn't help
Didn't try Vm's and socks, its maybe the next step in tinfoil hatting to the max. Maybe I'll try.
Well, i have 1 last account witch was booted for a short period of time a few months ago. So i am gonna experiment with it.
Trough this last account i can see the account of one of mine friends who is booting. I know him personally and i know he bots cause i set his bot up. He was not banned. The biggest difference i am noticing is that all of his characters are geared up for booting .. and i mean all 5 of them. He called me a few minutes ago to ask what on earth is going on..and told me that basically what he does is changing bot characters day after another, changing mp's also, changing even acts. And he is not going 24/7 .. most often don't bot at night. I know there is no matter if you are online or not when the ban might happen..but all of the blizz mantainces are during the night..and last nights mantainces, as far as i saw, was just 1 hour. Very suspicious..the whole thing looks like planed to get rid of bots..and i am pretty sure it is .. usually there is a note telling us about some stupid server restarts a few hours earlier. But nevermind..there are still a lot of question marks around this topic and always will be.
My point was...this last account i will make just like my friends one..and test if it will survive the next big ban-wave. If it does..it would mean to me that low number of booting is pretty much save this way.
Keeping save higher number of bots..as we discuss so far..would still be a mystery.
Trough this last account i can see the account of one of mine friends who is booting. I know him personally and i know he bots cause i set his bot up. He was not banned. The biggest difference i am noticing is that all of his characters are geared up for booting .. and i mean all 5 of them. He called me a few minutes ago to ask what on earth is going on..and told me that basically what he does is changing bot characters day after another, changing mp's also, changing even acts. And he is not going 24/7 .. most often don't bot at night. I know there is no matter if you are online or not when the ban might happen..but all of the blizz mantainces are during the night..and last nights mantainces, as far as i saw, was just 1 hour. Very suspicious..the whole thing looks like planed to get rid of bots..and i am pretty sure it is .. usually there is a note telling us about some stupid server restarts a few hours earlier. But nevermind..there are still a lot of question marks around this topic and always will be.
My point was...this last account i will make just like my friends one..and test if it will survive the next big ban-wave. If it does..it would mean to me that low number of booting is pretty much save this way.
Keeping save higher number of bots..as we discuss so far..would still be a mystery.
Funny how everyone talks about hardware ID but no-one actually knows for sure what it is. The MAC address is only available if Diablo 3 reads the registry. Otherwise, nobody can see your MAC address, since it gets lost once you go through the first router / switch from your internet provider. The Windows ID and HDD IDs are interesting, but then again, we don't know for sure. Server-side detection ? That's for sure. And they are getting better at it lately, both in WoW and Diablo.
yep, honorbuddy/wow is in serious troubles, i wouldn't be suprised if the time has come for demonbuddy/d3....
of course, some botter will even survive the biggest banwave, but their "bot smarter" "still alive" statements are completely useless.
most of it is luck...
of course, some botter will even survive the biggest banwave, but their "bot smarter" "still alive" statements are completely useless.
most of it is luck...
There's no huge mystery to it. They flag accounts based on one of two things:
-Server side metrics
-Warden
And then they ban flagged accounts in one go.
There's no human part of the process. Gearing five characters doesn't matter. Hardware id and mac address are irrelevant. Public ip probably isn't, given that individual botters have minimal impact on the game and multibotters have an actual impact and also are more likely to rebuy accounts. Still, changing ip hardly matters if you are running a bunch of accounts from a single ip address unless you are changing it practically daily. Switching between characters or limiting play time could conceivably circumvent a server side metric, but that's a big if.
The reality is that if you bot you should plan to be banned. It comes with the territory unless you are running something private, and even then it could happen.
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Yup, get it girrrl.
I have nothing to lose now but one account witch is not a big deal. So..i am gonna test that "if" and see if the next ban wave gonna skip it. Since i will use just 1 bot..the hardware/software details shouldnt affect me anyhow. Since this method of playing the game is more chaotic that the regular one..i hope for better results. If i survive next wave...gonna test some IP/Hardware ID changing techniques with more than 1 bot.