Archebuddy warning

[Barcodex]

can anyone suggest any good VPN service or will this not help?

 

[moebandy]

You guys ever thought about trion sending random mails to ALL people, just to scare them?!

They doing their mind-games very well with you guys. They can smell the shit in your pants.

Botting is always dangerous, and if u cant deal with it, STOP IT and minimize the risk for people who are not scared little girls.



BTW im running 13 accounts with no proxy or VPN stuff, all on the same IP, and i didnt get any email. If u always creating 50 accounts and let them lvl up with the lvlning-plugin and then coming to forum "OMG AB DEAD GG I KILL MYSELF" its your own fault.

Ty for reading.

i have only had 3 accounts on AA, 2 got warnings one got banned, i don't think its random. i have never afk botted and only ever load one account in ab at any givin time, load other two with glyph, one account i have never ever loaded in ab the other two i have, maybe it has soemthing to do with using regular glyph when im not using AB that got my accounts flagged i don't know

 

[Darcor]

So Trion is installing spyware on our PC's now. Be carefull what is loaded in the background when you start AA, especially if it says "*****" in the process name.
http://forums.archeagegame.com/show...ing-against-using-third-party-programs/page20

 

[stagename]

SO initially I said I didn't get a warning, but I sure got it today, on my main. BUT to be fair, I did screw up like 3 days ago, where I had glyph open and signed in....so yea overall useless information...was just throwing it out. And before that, whenever I would open glyph and then switch to AB, I would close all processes opened by glyph, runtime broker, frame application..etc..took 0 risks, that could be why I didn't get a warning two days ago, cause I wasn't caught...till my recent screw up that is. Something worth testing

 

[Out]

SO initially I said I didn't get a warning, but I sure got it today, on my main. BUT to be fair, I did screw up like 3 days ago, where I had glyph open and signed in....so yea overall useless information...was just throwing it out. And before that, whenever I would open glyph and then switch to AB, I would close all processes opened by glyph, runtime broker, frame application..etc..took 0 risks, that could be why I didn't get a warning two days ago, cause I wasn't caught...till my recent screw up that is. Something worth testing

Sorry, you mean that you receive new warning today?

 

[fredgsanford]

I have logged in with without glyph on all my accounts(5), and with ab as well no warnings except the ban on a low lvl account that i don't even think used ab at all or if it did was just used back when hackshield was there to make us need to use ab to log in more then one acc at time without a vm. but i never leveled him then. i thought i could use another char so started to and got him to around lvl 15 or 16 i forget then left him afk for a night then a week or 2 later he got banned saying hacking or 3rd party software use.
Going to pm out with more info so i hope thats ok out.

 

[hendroo]

Sorry, you mean that you receive new warning today?

Just saw your notification through AB.

Been running mining bots everytime im full labor. no ban yet. Going all out since i quit.

 

[Out]

Better to wait few days, i want to do tests itself. If all will be fine - i will push beta update for another few days.

 

[pocky]

So Trion is installing spyware on our PC's now. Be carefull what is loaded in the background when you start AA, especially if it says "*****" in the process name.
http://forums.archeagegame.com/show...ing-against-using-third-party-programs/page20

didn't happen to me

 

[axol]

Today trion send me the warning msj but i have like 3 days without use the ab i dint use it after the update so idk what happend. Sorry for my english.

 

[hendroo]

Better to wait few days, i want to do tests itself. If all will be fine - i will push beta update for another few days.

Can you let us know as soon as beta is ready? Ill test it.

 

[Brynjar]

@Out
I sent you a PM that might (or maybe not) help you figure stuff out.
Don't want to post it publicly because of reasons, and anyway you are the only one who might need such info

 

[Wislim]

My guess is they're using behavioral heuristics. They admitted as much in live stream and in their post, noting that they have been running it for weeks detecting bot behavior, not the presence of an actual program.

A bot is a program that repeats a series of steps under given circumstances. Their software simply monitors the circumstance and steps taken and flags it if suspicious activity is found. We find a hint at this in their forum post: "People turned to these programs for all sorts of uses. Sure, some people did quite malicious things with them, but others were using them to simply neatly and effectively arrange their farming plots, or were using them for some of the other types of tools they provided."

On the multiple account level, this seems pretty simple. We know they have the technology to associate accounts with one origin (user/owner) with each other, making it a matter of detecting repetitive behavior on more than one account happening simultaneously over a given period of time. Think planting/gathering on one account, trade run on another account, coin purse farming on another, and mining on a fourth, all happening at the same time. It should also go without saying that performing these functions for multiple hours per day, across multiple days would also be ill advised.

On a single account, detecting characters taking the same action(s), using the same paths, under the same circumstance, is a dead giveaway. Think trade pack run. While a bots exact starting spot may vary slightly, the path is nearly exactly the same every time. Repeating this behavior again and again over an extended period of time simply adds further evidence of "third party software."

Add to all of that AA's continued efforts to detect and defy third party software through more traditional proven methods of process/software detection and prevention, and you have a much more complex problem. In the end, heuristics doesn't strive to be perfect but only sufficient to "solve" that problem.

I'm not a coder, but for AB and programs like it to survive, I believe developers will need to rethink their products and how they are used in-game. While efforts to avoid detection of software "outside" the game need to continue, how programs are monitored in-game also need to become a major priority. AB may need to reconsider how they evaluate/approve plug-ins for their product based upon how they increase the likely detection of their product.

My thoughts. Yours?

 

[donbrasco02]

My guess is they're using behavioral heuristics. They admitted as much in live stream and in their post, noting that they have been running it for weeks detecting bot behavior, not the presence of an actual program.

A bot is a program that repeats a series of steps under given circumstances. Their software simply monitors the circumstance and steps taken and flags it if suspicious activity is found. We find a hint at this in their forum post: "People turned to these programs for all sorts of uses. Sure, some people did quite malicious things with them, but others were using them to simply neatly and effectively arrange their farming plots, or were using them for some of the other types of tools they provided."

On the multiple account level, this seems pretty simple. We know they have the technology to associate accounts with one origin (user/owner) with each other, making it a matter of detecting repetitive behavior on more than one account happening simultaneously over a given period of time. Think planting/gathering on one account, trade run on another account, coin purse farming on another, and mining on a fourth, all happening at the same time. It should also go without saying that performing these functions for multiple hours per day, across multiple days would also be ill advised.

On a single account, detecting characters taking the same action(s), using the same paths, under the same circumstance, is a dead giveaway. Think trade pack run. While a bots exact starting spot may vary slightly, the path is nearly exactly the same every time. Repeating this behavior again and again over an extended period of time simply adds further evidence of "third party software."

Add to all of that AA's continued efforts to detect and defy third party software through more traditional proven methods of process/software detection and prevention, and you have a much more complex problem. In the end, heuristics doesn't strive to be perfect but only sufficient to "solve" that problem.

I'm not a coder, but for AB and programs like it to survive, I believe developers will need to rethink their products and how they are used in-game. While efforts to avoid detection of software "outside" the game need to continue, how programs are monitored in-game also need to become a major priority. AB may need to reconsider how they evaluate/approve plug-ins for their product based upon how they increase the likely detection of their product.

My thoughts. Yours?

I agree with you.

I´m sure stuff like Tradepack-Running with the same route and planting things in a perfect way is the easiest way they can get you, because its obviously and always the exact same. Very easy to trace.

Let me tell my story. I have 10+ accounts, just max 2 running at the same time for like 12 - 24 hours (coinpurse farming) - after that they have enough purses for a week, and the next group starts farming for 12 - 24 hours and so on ... that means 1 bot is just farming for a certain time and then just opening purses every 1 - 2 days for a whole week. I think thats a very good way to handle with current detecting situation.

I´m not having any problems with ban - last one was about 4 or 5 month ago.

 

[stagename]

Sorry, you mean that you receive new warning today?

No, I didn't get a warming initially. My first and only warning came about 2-3 days after they started sending out warnings. I accidentally logged into glyphs and ab at the same time the day before everyone else got warnings and so it must have taken them a day or two to process my info before they gave me a warning.

 

[jake5720]

first of all.. archeage GM's are not stupid. they are looking archebuddy.com daily ( becasue ab is most common bot ) & acting like archebuddy user in this forum. and they have professional programmers , developers that get a lot of pay. of course they have skills to find critical area of archebuddy.. i changed to secret bot program that are made by russian. ( need 3 recommendations from exist users.. ) it has different UI and shit but works almost same as archebuddy. ( but its autohotckey based.. with old ass image search shit.. no ez-to use one click gps.. ) whatever reason , AB is currently not safe. i been using this long time and made a lot. but lost almost half in past 2 months ( 47 / 71 ban )

so my recommendation is make AB private. and delete or force ppl not to use plugins that are too obvious looks like a bot.. such as quest bot..

 

[zoboroh1234]

I agree with you.

I´m sure stuff like Tradepack-Running with the same route and planting things in a perfect way is the easiest way they can get you, because its obviously and always the exact same. Very easy to trace.

Let me tell my story. I have 10+ accounts, just max 2 running at the same time for like 12 - 24 hours (coinpurse farming) - after that they have enough purses for a week, and the next group starts farming for 12 - 24 hours and so on ... that means 1 bot is just farming for a certain time and then just opening purses every 1 - 2 days for a whole week. I think thats a very good way to handle with current detecting situation.

I´m not having any problems with ban - last one was about 4 or 5 month ago.

You would think, but I have 3 names that only do 1 specific trade route, the exact same route, for over a year now. I made these 3 names in December 2014. Still no bans. My purse names usually last ~ 3 months then end up getting banned, but I attribute that entirely to GM's checking the obvious farm spots.

I'm only saying this because I think their heuristic function algorithms aren't that advanced, it's just extremely basic and seems to only catch questers.

first of all.. archeage GM's are not stupid. they are looking archebuddy.com daily ( becasue ab is most common bot ) & acting like archebuddy user in this forum. and they have professional programmers , developers that get a lot of pay. of course they have skills to find critical area of archebuddy.. i changed to secret bot program that are made by russian. ( need 3 recommendations from exist users.. ) it has different UI and shit but works almost same as archebuddy. ( but its autohotckey based.. with old ass image search shit.. no ez-to use one click gps.. ) whatever reason , AB is currently not safe. i been using this long time and made a lot. but lost almost half in past 2 months ( 47 / 71 ban )

so my recommendation is make AB private. and delete or force ppl not to use plugins that are too obvious looks like a bot.. such as quest bot..

This is a professional publishing company, and by professional, I mean they have strict corporate rules regarding sites they are allowed to visit while working. GM's do not work from home, they work on company computers in Trions office. They don't visit these sites beyond a curiosity interest when they aren't working.

Secondly, GM's have no influence on development or programming, these are different jobs, the Glyph team updated their security to be more in line with Warden and VAC's current systems, which will provide security for all Trion games, not just ArcheAge. This wasn't done for AA, nor to counter archebuddy.

 

[fredgsanford]

if it is glyph then people should have been told they were adding stuff like that to it. there tos does not cover glyph itself unless i missed it somehow. anyway thats not reason for this post.

Zobor I agree that they are probably making this for all trion games not to only counter ab if they have done anything but check older logs to find people.
I kinda think one of the worse things that could have happened was out releasing newer (paid) version of questing bot because that probably triggered trion to want to stop ab somewhat more then before that. Its one thing to farm purses plant and such but to quest for you is another esp with newer version using navmesh and whatever else it improved over the other one. Thats just asking them to take notice in my opinion. I remember that is pretty much what happened with a bot called openbot which used innerspace in wow as soon as it got to point they had a questing one that worked to lvl they threatened maker of innerspace and sued him actually well not innerspace itself but his wow dll that worked off of innerspace.

 

[Morgead]

So, I awake this morning to many emails from Trion. First one at 4.06am saying your accounts have been flagged for using 3rd party programs. Then almost two hour after that email, another one from Trion for all my accounts saying sorry this was a mistake. What on earth?

 

[1337farmer]

So, I awake this morning to many emails from Trion. First one at 4.06am saying your accounts have been flagged for using 3rd party programs. Then almost two hour after that email, another one from Trion for all my accounts saying sorry this was a mistake. What on earth?

Trion messed up with theyselfs, CM made a post today to inform people. IDK if i can post AA forum link here, but if u search in forum you will find it.