After tests....monster power sucks

[swifty]

@egghead ill lower the mp to 1 and give some stats in a few hours for my monk

 

[egghead1984]

@swifty "at mp3 i still 2 hit white mobs so why not get a free 75% mf and 20% increased bonus drops increasing chance of legendarys- drop rate vs mf"

what I am saying is. I have been playing and these extra legendary chances or more rares etc...isnt happening for me at all even though a LOT mroe items have dropped.

"your also comparing op barb to my monk ><"

no im not, thats why I said a % not an amount, % based makes it equal. doesnt matter if he drops 1000 more items than you, its a % of those items

 

[Bottletorch]

at mp3 i still 2 hit white mobs so why not get a free 75% mf and 20% increased bonus drops increasing chance of legendarys- drop rate vs mf

@egghead your also comparing op barb to my monk ><

Mp3 is fine then if you're facerolling that hard. But at MP6 HP is increased by 8.9x, compared to MP3 which is just 3.26x. The difference is significantly more... and I was talking about MP6 not MP3.

I was talking about IPH not being a good indication of which MP is the best. You're pulling in 600, which is above average from what I've seen on the forum as most people pull in about 500-600 (so you're still roughly in the same boat with the ones running MP0-1, just with more MF and increased drop chance as you've mentioned). You're still killing mobs fast enough (I doubt everyone is one shoting white mobs regardless of MP). So by my theory, you're not wasting time on fighting overly buff mobs, and thus clearing the map faster, hitting elite packs faster and getting more rares and whatnot.

I can't take your legendaries per hour data seriously though unless it's the same thing you've seen over days.

Edit: Actually the best data is how many items that can be sold for good amounts of gold/real money. Maybe the ones running MP6-10 are getting awesome drops everyday?

 

[swifty]

Mp3 is fine then if you're facerolling that hard. But at MP6 HP is increased by 8.9x, compared to MP3 which is just 3.26x. The difference is significantly more... and I was talking about MP6 not MP3.

I was talking about IPH not being a good indication of which MP is the best. You're pulling in 600, which is above average from what I've seen on the forum as most people pull in about 500-600 (so you're still roughly in the same boat with the ones running MP0-1, just with more MF and increased drop chance as you've mentioned). You're still killing mobs fast enough (I doubt everyone is one shoting white mobs regardless of MP). So by my theory, you're not wasting time on fighting overly buff mobs, and thus clearing the map faster, hitting elite packs faster and getting more rares and whatnot.

I can't take your legendaries per hour data seriously though unless it's the same thing you've seen over days.

its actually usually 1.4 or 1.5 for the past week

 

[iceteazz]

_ Found a Skorn : 1k4 dps 300 will 200 vit 195 % CD 1 soc yesterday at mp 0, i equip it to my lovely Enchantress ! Low mp doesnt mean low quality of gear, just Low quantity per kill, and if you kill faster, you can get more items even at mp 0

 

[egghead1984]

@swifty "at mp3 i still 2 hit white mobs so why not get a free 75% mf and 20% increased bonus drops increasing chance of legendarys- drop rate vs mf"

I just realised,

I also have little trouble at higher MP. i only 2 shot on mp1 so maybe you are exaggerating a little? mp6 to my barb looks like 1.0.4, takes longer, no more deaths. so at mp6 i get a lot of bonus items and bonus mf all for free as you say. My point is, even with all of this bonus AND 30% more items dropped.....the QUALITY of these items is p**s poor.

on top of that my xp = less than half of mp1 even though i get a huge bonus and my gph is 40% of what i get on mp1

if ANYONE can provide a good argument for using higher mp, please do, but i honestly think it doesnt exist even if you were in best in slot gear one shotting all, im doing it as a % not as an amount.

like i say everyone here finishes profiles at different times with different deaths per hour, i want to see a HIGHER mp game 5 or 6 or so where that bonus mf and bonus items etc gets you more iph which it will and get you a higher % of rares and/or legendary set or not.

i want stats that actually pays off and makes people here think , nice I need to upgrade and get to that mp, for all those rewards blizz promised.

not "mmm its taking longer....the drops are much worse quality...im dieing...and its costing me a lot more.... which is how it seems to me"

until then, no one should be going above mp1.

I almost think its broken and will be changed in a hotfix or patch or something, because theres no way this can be how its meant to be?

once people twig on and the buzz of rubbish rolled hellfire rings wear off, higher mp will no longer be used

and to who it was that said i bot mp3 because i want to be human, i play my account, i see more rewards in mp1, as a "human" i will continue playing mp1. blizz wont think mp1 ....botters for sure...i can smell them b*stard farmers miles away.

 

[egghead1984]

@iceteazz "if you kill faster, you can get more items even at mp 0"

I disagree, i read topic after topic saying the same thing.

My stats and the barb above show this isnt true.

I kill something like 4 times slower in mp6 than mp 1, if what you are saying is true i would get less iph.

I get 30% more iph in mp6, this is what i mean about people reading a topic and then repeating it somewhere else with no evidence at all.

play a higher MP, you get more items FACT. unless you spent all of your time dead.

the bonus items from higher mp's bump your iph up a LOT, its the quality we are discussing which does not reflect the bonuses.

the negatives outwight the positives even with 30% more loot, also note that with 30% more loot some of you may have missed that with the default pickup scores it picks up a lot less again showing how rubbish the loot quality is at higher mp

 

[egghead1984]

@bottletorch "Edit: Actually the best data is how many items that can be sold for good amounts of gold/real money. Maybe the ones running MP6-10 are getting awesome drops everyday?"

I agree with this totally, but my highest valued items have not been found at higher mp, all at mp1. BUT I have played mp1 a LOT more than mp6 so I wont be biased yet, you would think I would have found some good valued items in mp6 from nearly 1000 items an hour 500% mf.

And remember us guys here are playing/botting a hell of a lot of hours. and not seeing any reward for higher mp....

To a casual player getting home from work/school playing 2-3 hours 3-4 times a week. He can keep dreaming of those nice upgrades, if he believes blizz and wants to try harder mp for the rewards.
what im saying is if us guys who have accounts some of us 10 accounts on 24/7 arent seeing these rewards, theres no way the normal players are


ACTUALLY my highest valued items...had to be bought LOL

 

[swifty]

ive never compared my amount of drops to quality i just look at my rares per hour usually and 15 ilvl 63s is decent so i havent been screwing around with mp much


i have 4 bots 3 paragon level 90 monks running mp2 with 30k-50k dps less then 1d/h
my one 100 paragon monk running mp3 ive made over 900$ in the past 7 days a little higher then my average these past 2 months
ive literally found 10 zuni chests, 3 ik chests, godly rare pants that sold for 200$ and much more random set items bringing in 2-15$
on top of that i make 100m gold a day which i spend upgrading my 100 monk or sniping underpriced items and selling on rmah

also a side note i have never found a nats ring or a zuni ring

 

[egghead1984]

@swifty ALL HAIL! wow man, if true thats really nice mate, impressed to say the least
one account $900 in a week
i havent made $900 since i played LOL, like i say i play for different reasons than you but my mouth did drop when i read that.
nah if i sold all my gear i would get 900, i think about it a lot...but i cant...when i get banned i will kick myself ofcourse

 

[egghead1984]

im just going to add, that i left the bot on overnight mp6, low stats as i have already posted.

I said I have had enough of this mp6 and would go back to mp1

just checked my stats.....iph is decreasing.....rare and legendaru % increase

and also gold and xp

i dont need anyone elses info now i think, it 100% says it all to me now. i didnt reset the stats and they are rising again, if anyone disagrees, they are wrong plain and simple.

MP1 or 0 guys, havent tried 0 myself but i have seen a lot of topics here about it gogogogo!

 

[iceteazz]

_ I just want to say :"if you kill faster, you can get more items even at mp 0" and if you play high mp, you got more item, but not quality of item, just quantity More IPH not means More Rare per Hour. Rare per hour can be count to " Elite packs per hour ". Even with 47 % bonus from MP 6, you cant kill 1 group of Elite in mp 6 faster than 1,47 group in mp 0.

_ And just my personal feeling : More kill per hour = more Legendary per hour, Its not bonus in high MP ! You CAN'T kill 1000 mobs in mp 5-6 faster than mp 0-1

Sry about my english lol

 

[jjpro]

Very interesting read...gonna try to do some short testing to see if I can find the same trending data on my barb.

 

[swifty]

Total tracking time: 0h 40m 13s
Total deaths: 0 [0 per hour]
Total games joined: 1 [1.49 per hour]
Total items dropped: 472 [704.1 per hour]
--- ilvl 61 Rare: 33 [49.23 per hour] {6.99 %}
--- ilvl 62 Rare: 22 [32.82 per hour] {4.66 %}
--- ilvl 63 Rare: 14 [20.88 per hour] {2.97 %}

0 legendarys at the moment mp1

update lolz

Total tracking time: 1h 26m 50s
Total deaths: 0 [0 per hour]
Total items dropped: 966 [667.47 per hour]
--- ilvl 61 Rare: 67 [46.29 per hour] {6.94 %}
--- ilvl 62 Rare: 48 [33.17 per hour] {4.97 %}
--- ilvl 63 Rare: 21 [14.51 per hour] {2.17 %}

still no legendarys as the stats even out mp3 starting to look better

 

[Bomtox]

For me is MP1 with no doubts.

 

[jjpro]

MP LVL Weapon/Weapons DPS unbuffed Crit/Crit Dmg HP Resist Average UNB Build IPH IPH Rare/Leg/hr XPH
0 Skorn 149k 52/494 35000 475 WW +OP(KS 629 116.14/.83 25mil
1 Skorn 149k 52/494 35000 475 WW +OP(KS) 708 120.77/1.12 20mil
2 Skorn 149k 52/494 35000 475 WW +OP(KS) 637 106.45/1.65 20 mil


This is a sample size of only a few hours so not entirely accurate just wanted to see some trends...atm my data is the opposite of yours but my sample size is much lower and i'm also only comparing low level MP @ paragon 55-60(leveled during)

 

[cdkvn]

sry but where did you get that report?? i don't see it with giles

 

[jjpro]

i made a spreadsheet with my own data

 

[Diabloguy69]

I dont know how this is up for debate. IT IS A PROVEN FACT act 3 0mp is the best. You cannot debate facts people.

 

[jjpro]

I dont know how this is up for debate. IT IS A PROVEN FACT act 3 0mp is the best. You cannot debate facts people.

Can you link me to the data so I can review it? It seems gear, run speed, spec would, character would certainly effect this.