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A plea to the profile writers

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t1a1

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While I understand some of the complexities of the game and program writing, is there truly not a fully functioning, afkable questing profiles available for today's game? I have yet to find one in the forums (and I've tested many)! A few (very few) were "updated" right after Cata hit, but most were written before cata or early last year and to much in the game has changed, that they simply don't have the quests that can be implemented into the profile , or for whatever reason, won't work with HB now. I haven't seen a whole lot of new ones made with the new hb that well. In truth, I haven't seen any so far. There are just way too many hang ups in most of the profiles available right now and imo, way too much grind in them, when now from what I can see, many of the quests can be implimented into a profile. I got pretty ticked while running a profile in hellfire and my toon wouldn't stop and ran smack dab into the fel reaver. The toon never even bothered to slow down! I know there's a way in a profile to make a toon avoid that monster! But it sure didn't seem implemented into the profile I'm running atm. If someone was watching that and knew anything about a bot, they'd sure comment that it was a bot after seeing that sorta thing. Maybe even have turned me in thereby getting my account banned.​

But alas! I decided the problem wasn't with the HB/GB program (though it does have some navigation bugs.. I noticed this making my own grinding profile.) so much itself, but rather, put it too, just plain ole outdated profiles and people using 80-85 toons to make them, instead of making the profiles using the level of toon for the area to make them.

I say the latter, because many of the profiles will run your toon right through a group of mobs, that wouldn't agro on a level 85 toon, but will jump all over one of it's own level + or_ a level or two, be it the opposite faction or like the one I'm running now, that just ran me through every Orge, shaman mob north of Zebra'jin in Zanger to get to its quest area and then at level 63 ran me through Nagrand where the toon ran into those walking elephants on the path that are level 67 (thank goodness the one that did it is a pretty well geared dk). Had it done that on my mage, it would have died.​

But then the question does become: Is it the profile or the HB program causing it? A combination of both or, one or the other.​

Sure, you can put on "kill mobs between hotspots" which of course grants xp, but normally and having run over 15 toons to 85 manually, this isn't something most will do. In fact, most at level 62-63 simply wouldn't do it, unless they were suicidal, exceptionally geared, or was wanting to grind for something there. They'd instead, take the most avoidance available route they could find, to get to the area they needed to be in. So too, would a profile writer using the right level toon for the area, make sure the hotspots they implemented, also would avoid such things. The fact that many profiles don't do this, makes me believe that they were made with high level toons, instead of the level toon for the particular quest area or because the profiles are considerably older than the newest HB/GB. Perhaps it would be wiser to use the most recent HB to get the paths etc rather than relying on old paths that today may and often do have something there that wasn't there a year ago.​

I well understand we all have other life's outside of botting and wow. But isn't there someone in the community, salty enough that can write one that is better than what is available at present! I've looked into doing it myself and tried, but I just simply don't have the knowhow. I do well writing my own grinding profiles, such as the one I just wrote for myself for skinning that is FULLY afkable. Not one hang up in 8 hours! But grinding profiles aren't that hard... everyone can go see the how-to on that and see it's pretty easy. The point is ,that I'm not that good and simply don't' know enough to write a questing one, or I wouldn't be here typing this. So I implore, beseech, beg (whatever adjective one wants) those that do have the know-how and skill, to please, please, help us dummies that can't seem to figure out how to, and make new ones for us all. I do not mean any disrespect toward anyone that have written the previous ones (after trying to write one myself, I know how involved they can get, in order to make one as close to perfect as can be), and my apologies to you if it seems to come out that way to you in this write. But we need new and better working profiles. It's not enough to take aprofile that is a year old, and try to implement a few changes here and there into it. That so far, doesn't seem to be working all that well overall. The game evolves fairly quickly now-a-days, so too must HB/Gb and profiles, if we are to be able to take it to botting bliss for even me a questing profile writting dummy.​

Yes, I've read every how-to I can find in these forums. From installation, set up, to writing profiles on grinding , CCs and questing. Point is, I'm setting things up as prescribed and described for every profile I've tried, and while they will work partly , they aren't what I'd call anywhere close afkable at all.​

A new update to wow is coming pretty soon and we're all going to be biting at the bit for the devs of HB/GB to be prompt with any changes for it if they are needed. But it won't matter if the developers of HB/GB are up to snuff, if the profiles are as outdated as they are. Old stuff barely ever works with new stuff. Well at least without faults.​

Summery:

After all the above, it boils down to,,, we need newer and better working profiles. I ask those that can do it, to please do it for all of us. And please, if you choose to take on the endeavor, please be vigilant in the details, so maybe we can have one that works better than what is available.​

I for one would be very grateful, as I'm sure the rest would be.​

As Martin Luther King once said: "I have a dream!" Well I too have a dream! A dream that one day HB/GB will also have in it (not that it isn't getting better than it was two years ago) a default folder called questing and in it are totally afkable quest profiles for both Horde and Alliance sides that came with it. Is it a realistic dream? I think it can be. But it is going to take dedicated botters with know-how.​

TY
 
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the main issue of the questing bot is that there are not enough behaviors - mainly vehicle behaviors. the other issue is that mesh is not being taken care of. Now, there are a few other issues, but these 2 are the main issues
 
I feel your pain. But there is one great solution to this problem. Put in some time and learn how questing profiles work and are made. Level up a toon by hand, adding the quests along the way.

Now doesn't that sound like fun? 85s can't make them, for a level 1 questing profile u need to start a level one character and do it like that. So instead of everyone saying everyone else should be making good profiles. Make them yourself. It actually isn't that hard. If everyone here started making profiles instead of just downloading others this would be the best community ever
 
I feel your pain. But there is one great solution to this problem. Put in some time and learn how questing profiles work and are made. Level up a toon by hand, adding the quests along the way.

Now doesn't that sound like fun? 85s can't make them, for a level 1 questing profile u need to start a level one character and do it like that. So instead of everyone saying everyone else should be making good profiles. Make them yourself. It actually isn't that hard. If everyone here started making profiles instead of just downloading others this would be the best community ever

yep, this is how i started
 
yep, this is how i started

Same, except for making CCs. There are tons of guides to help, or you can do like I did and just use trial and error. It isn't something that can be completed in an hour or 2. It'll take many hours of reading and coding. But it isn't hard. It's not like you need to know a programming language or anything, it just takes time which sadly many people don't want to do.
 
"time invested, is time gained"

There are a few restrictions to the bot, the game, and how it all gels together. Like previously mentioned, alot of these new quests require some sort of behaviour, yes there are people out there that are more than capable of writing them, but they can only do so if they come across that issue themself, which would require them to put there time aside to hunt down and save someone else a few hours of scripting and debugging. You can learn alot just by looking through profiles, behaviours and CC's from other members of the forum. That alone will give you a very good idea of how to set up a game plan and an good starting ground to see if you yourself, currently at a certain stage via questing to see if you can help add to the community and script away round any issues you come across. Weather it be adding a few 'goto' lines for a certain quest that is having issues with meshing (Big dog in TB springs to mind) or creating a new quest behaviour to fully automate a problem quest.
 
No. if you read even half of what I posted, you'd have seen where I had stated I have tried to make one myself. It's why the plea. I also said I'm a dummy, because I can't figure it out. So again is why the plea is here. And nowhere did I mention a level 1 to 10 profile being made by an 80-85. I specifically didn't say that, because I knew already that they couldn't. It is why I tried to figure out how to write a level 1-10 questing profile myself and failed. I made a level one toon and have read hours of things and just dont' understand the syntax. So again, for those that do have the know-how and want to take on the endeavor, we that cant' seem to get it would be appreciative.

Asking for something doesn't make the community or anyone bad. But helping when ya can... can make a community great. If you can great! If ya can't ,then those that can't are at the mercy of those that can and will help.

See like this. HB has specific thing in it listed to use like questing, grinding, Instance buddy and so on. The first line after all the vendors and what to mail and not to mail and so on says this:

-<QuestOrder> -

< SetGrindArea>

-<GrindArea>

But if you pick questing in HB and not grinding, can this syntax cause a problem? See there is so much I don't know and is not said in the help areas. Maybe in a year I'll have it all figured out, but we need new now. And I'm guessing under the <vendor> heading that you have to place every vendor of every area there? See I don't know. And yes, I've noticed the mesh issues and know we can't do anything for that or about it.

Oh and I do spend time looking into profiles. But CCs! now that's even more mind boggling to me, so I gave that up before I even tried.

Like I said, in a year I'll have a better idea because I am trying to learn and have been before I wrote this thread. It's just right now is when it's needed by a vast many people, not a year from now when I get it figured out.
 
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You do not need a year to figure out the syntax of this pretty basic task, especially when you say you are already capable of creating grind profiles.

To get started visit;
HonorBuddy: Getting Started as a Profile Writer - Buddy Wiki

Once you are there make sure you read everything slowly and carefully, if you get stuck you can either go back to the Wiki or reference another profile.

if you read even half of what I posted, you'd have seen where I had stated I have tried to make one myself. It's why the plea. I also said I'm a dummy, because I can't figure it out. So again is why the plea is here.
This, to me, sounds like a "please can someone else make a really good profile whilst I take a year to learn how to myself".
 
You do not need a year to figure out the syntax of this pretty basic task, especially when you say you are already capable of creating grind profiles.

To get started visit;
HonorBuddy: Getting Started as a Profile Writer - Buddy Wiki

Once you are there make sure you read everything slowly and carefully, if you get stuck you can either go back to the Wiki or reference another profile.


This, to me, sounds like a "please can someone else make a really good profile whilst I take a year to learn how to myself".

And prey tell! What is wrong with my asking that! And it's not just for me while I learn . It's for everyone, because the ones that are available, just arn't working that well. And it may indeed take me a year. I mean really! How do you know I'm not someone that learns slowly or not! Or that I dont' have time right now in my life to learn it in a day or two and have it pat like some seem to have been able to do? I do have a life too and a very busy one at the moment, but I do spend what time that I do have availble trying to learn it. So it may just take me a year to get it right. I won't ever put a profile out here that I dont' think is well done or right so that indeed also may take a year to get a good working questing profile together.

I've been to that link you provided and it's how I've gotten started and I test something everyday that I try . It fails, so I go looking for an answer for what I did or didn't do right. Man! It's okay if ya dont' want to write one for me or anyone here. But I asked specifically for those who will. Guess asking for something very much needed for all the people of the comunity , was a bad idea. I'll come back and delete this thread in a bit. Sorry I asked.
 
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I'm guessing your horde because alliance is pretty much covered. Yes, all the questing profiles from hordes side except the 1-54 hunter one are pretty much crap. I totally agree on that taking an existing profile and refurbishing it isn't going to cut it. To write a profile who does almost all the quests in each zone takes A HELL OF A LOT TIME. I'm currently working on Horde 70-80 since we don't really have one. It is so far perfect.
 
I'm guessing your horde because alliance is pretty much covered. Yes, all the questing profiles from hordes side except the 1-54 hunter one are pretty much crap. I totally agree on that taking an existing profile and refurbishing it isn't going to cut it. To write a profile who does almost all the quests in each zone takes A HELL OF A LOT TIME. I'm currently working on Horde 70-80 since we don't really have one. It is so far perfect.

Correct. I am trying to level horde. Have more than enough Allance toons. I've been working on a 1-10 one for about a week for the orc area, but man... lol. I'm real stupid when it comes to this questing profile writting. I've made a few grinding ones that do alright for killing mobs to skin on my leather worker. But the questing one gets a whole lot more involved.
 
And prey tell! What is wrong with my asking that! And it's not just for me while I learn . It's for everyone, because the ones that are available, just arn't working that well. And it may indeed take me a year. I mean really! How do you know I'm not someone that learns slowly or not! Or that I dont' have time right now in my life to learn it in a day or two and have it pat like some seem to have been able to do? I do have a life too and a very busy one at the moment, but I do spend what time that I do have availble trying to learn it. So it may just take me a year to get it right. I won't ever put a profile out here that I dont' think is well done or right so that indeed also may take a year to get a good working questing profile together.

I've been to that link you provided and it's how I've gotten started and I test something everyday that I try . It fails, so I go looking for an answer for what I did or didn't do right. Man! It's okay if ya dont' want to write one for me or anyone here. But I asked specifically for those who will. Guess asking for something very much needed for all the people of the comunity , was a bad idea. I'll come back and delete this thread in a bit. Sorry I asked.

Please do not have the thread deleted based on what I say.
Most of what you say is correct and very well constructed, however in some parts it looked more like begging rather than wanting to dive in and assist with such a project. I merely probed the areas in order to get to the point, or at least see if we could see if there was an underlying agenda.

Also, take a look at the blogs section on these boards, I updated my project situation in regards to questing profiles, I think you might like it.
 
Also, take a look at the blogs section on these boards, I updated my project situation in regards to questing profiles, I think you might like it.

I will do that and ty. I do want to learn but I'm having some real issues trying to figure out quite a few things.

Oh! and in my original write, I was begging and still am, because the Horde profiles are not doing all that well in my opinion. And I failed to specify it was more the horde profiles that are needed based on my experience trying to level with them.

I have learned, that if one is using a horde questing profile to level, they best be sitting right there. In many instances, the person has to hand level through an area anyway or jepordize thier account more, via grinding in an area for two or three levels, which leaves a toon in that area for 3 hours if not more in some cases. It doesn't take a real up to par person knowing bots to know if they see a toon running the same path, in the same area, over and over, that it might be a bot.

People buy this bot for many reasons. But I do not think thier original thought of buying one is, to buy it so they have to go to online classes to learn how to write syntax. No, most want it to be pretty hands off, so they can go about thier daily other buisness. Through my original posts, I repeted many times that I am learning, but it's going to take awhile. In my original post, I specified this and yes, begged for those that ALREADY have the know-how to please, when they have the time to do it, please do so, because it's now they are needed, not later when I or other new users get get through our learning curve on it all.

Everyone knows that right now HB is probably the best bot available. But it can be so much better too. I've seen better ones in the past as have other people. I'd like to see HB now raise the bar to equal or surpass those that have now gone but were better. U.S. Law can't touch these folks like they did on a couple others.

My agenda I thought, was well explained in my original write of this thread. There really should have been no reason to wonder about it. The name of the topic is the agenda.
 
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Yea I get what you are saying, but you want the bot to be the best it can be like we all do. The only way for this to happen is if everyone contributes to the community and it would be the best bot ever. Nobody wants to do the work but reap all the rewards. Most of not all people who have made profiles and even CCs make it for themselves first, and then put it up on the forums to help everyone else out.

So I still stick to my original thought. If you want the bot to be better you need to put some work in and do it yourself. Because everyone who puts profiles and CCs and plugins up on the forums are not getting paid. If you like it the way it is then don't contribute anything and just use what is here that other people have put up for you to use.
 
Well, with the money we're spending or have spent on this program, I'm sure some of it should go towards the right to request a profile from anyone right? Especially those with the lifetime subscription of 80euro (60euro with sale), that's about $90+ USD x)
 
Well, with the money we're spending or have spent on this program, I'm sure some of it should go towards the right to request a profile from anyone right? Especially those with the lifetime subscription of 80euro (60euro with sale), that's about $90+ USD x)

I completely disagree. 90 bucks for 3 sessions and a lifetime of updates is a very reasonable price for a program like this. Frankly a profile or cc is a drop in the bucket compared to how much coding goes into this bot.

Would you pay for profiles, good ones? Because for people to make stuff 'for you or me' I'd expect to pay for that. What people put up on the forums they made for themselves and are sharing out of the goodness of their heart to the rest of us. If you want some 'good questing profiles made for you' you should PM one of the good profile makers and offer him some money, and just an if I were making profiles specifically for you I'd expect a decent amount of money for it.
 
Tldr


Feel free to make your own and contribute it. It's that hard, just a time consuming task
 
i bought lifetime of the bot when gb1 was out and hb was still a noob and didn't quest, only grinded (and you had to make your own meshes, too)

it has come a long way... but profiles here are donated, and if the buddy team wants to make it a featured profile, they will pm you about it.

As far as questing goes - it is not hard to learn, the hard part is patience and comprehension... and lots of testing.

The main patience I have is mesh and water behavior have major flaws in them, and cc's don't always like to obey los properly
 
To all who already make Profiles :

Keep up the good work!

to all who want good Profils:

Get your ass up and do it yourself or hit the Donate Button
 
to all who want good Profils:

Get your ass up and do it yourself or hit the Donate Button


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If you've got nothing good to say, then say nothing at all.
It's better in that situation to be quiet and thought a fool, rather than to spew your words through a key board and remove all doubt.
 
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