A better HB!

[Z]

Hello everyone,

I was thinking for a long time about this, A better HB.. cause why not?

It's so sad that the bot at it's current is only usable by gold sellers and not casual botters.
Cause gold sellers don't give a damn if the account is banned. Its worth 5.. Got his 5 in no time! + 100 profit!

I would be happy to see some changes in the bot!

List of the things that will make the bot way better!:

- New navigation/path system that will randomize for each bot.
- Enhance the tripwire.. example: It'll shutdown the bot instantly. not after 5hrs
- Prevent gold sellers from abusing this bot, mess wow economy and make it target #1 on blizz eyes! maybe make another edition of the bot with sub. Yes let them pay if they want to bot suicidal 24/7.
- A way to support the bot? sub for new customers maybe?
- New builtin tool that will mimic the behavior of your character. example: it can record your DPS rotation, how many times you jump. it will act as if it was you.
- More features in bot settings?, like Sound on whisper/stuck, logout on too many Ganks, jump from time to time..etc! (most of us are not programmers)
-... Did i miss something else?

Share your thoughts here and respect others!!

Please, no more talks about 64-bit - Read the rules!

P.S: For you who thinks this is a hate/..etc thread, No it's not; we love this bot, and we want to use it more than you do!

 

[UnderratedPost]

sorry but I think these ideas are really bad, 64 bit security meme has been debunked a thousand times already how can people keep regurgitating that, and do you really think if it was possible for tripwire to activate instantly they would not already have done so? HB is fine as it is

 

[Z]

sorry but I think these ideas are really bad, 64 bit security meme has been debunked a thousand times already how can people keep regurgitating that, and do you really think if it was possible for tripwire to activate instantly they would not already have done so? HB is fine as it is

All ideas or only the 64bit?

And are you a gold seller?

 

[Little Lady]

sorry but I think these ideas are really bad, 64 bit security meme has been debunked a thousand times already how can people keep regurgitating that, and do you really think if it was possible for tripwire to activate instantly they would not already have done so? HB is fine as it is

It hasn't been debunked. It's just being ignored until someone forces the developer's hand. Until then it's just being buried every time someone mentioned. I've yet to see any proof that non-32bit players are being scanned.

 

[Z]

It hasn't been debunked. It's just being ignored until someone forces the developer's hand. Until then it's just being buried every time someone mentioned. I've yet to see any proof that non-32bit players are being scanned.

Well it doesn't matter if they scan or not cause they will scan both, the question is.. why make us an easy target for them? why keep us in the 32bit only when most if not all of us are on 64bit nowadays?
So for example, You got reported for botting
GM: let's check if he's on a 64bit system and using the 64bit first.. yes. then no he's not botting.

And 64-bit client is smooth when we play, no lags no slow loading like the 32bit.

 

[UnderratedPost]

GM: let's check if he's on a 64bit system and using the 64bit first.. yes. then no he's not botting.

you act like honorbuddy is the only bot in existence, there are already 64 bit hacks so no it is not as simple as that to determine if someone is using illegal programs, terrible terrible point

just stop posting on the 64 bit subject it has been debunked in that it gives no security benefit and it has been explained it won't happen until it absolutely necessary. They should just mute people that keep harping on about 64 bit

 

[Z]

you act like honorbuddy is the only bot in existence

just stop posting on the 64 bit subject it has been debunked in that it gives no security benefit and it has been explained it won't happen until it absolutely necessary. They should just mute people that keep harping on about 64 bit

Yes, this is the only bot i used and will use.
If you don't like this thread simply Please don't post anything in here.
Thank you.

 

[UnderratedPost]

and mute you to, cause op talk about performance...

the performance difference is hardly noticeable, if your performance is so bad that you need 64 bit to make it playable then its not HB's fault you are probably using badly coded class routines!

also as alraedy explained they have to support 32 bit because not everyone can afford 64 bit systems, and it would be bad for everyone if they had to maintain two separate versions

 

[Thecamel]

the performance difference is hardly noticeable, if your performance is so bad that you need 64 bit to make it playable then its not HB's fault you are probably using badly coded class routines!

also as alraedy explained they have to support 32 bit because not everyone can afford 64 bit systems, and it would be bad for everyone if they had to maintain two separate versions

Not about the bots performace its about WOWs performace.. Wow runs better in 64 bit..

That's the only reason id like to see HB go 64bit.. I get 150fps in 64bit with wow... id be lucky to get 70 in wow 32.

 

[Goshinki]

Not about the bots performace its about WOWs performace.. Wow runs better in 64 bit..

That's the only reason id like to see HB go 64bit.. I get 150fps in 64bit with wow... id be lucky to get 70 in wow 32.

I have used almost every platform out there the difference for me is next to nothing... 5 FPS at most.

WoW only uses 4 Cores of a Processor regardless of what you have anyways. 64 Bit doesn't really add anything because of that.\

Even if WoW was flawlessly programmed 64 Bit architecture it would just give you a few more registers which allows easier optimizations, this is counteracted by the fact pointers are now larger and using any structures with pointers results in a higher memory traffic. So because of the lack of Core involvement you get next to no performance gain at all. Even if WoW used all the Core's its like a 10-15% gain if that.

 

[Raaz]

I'm curious to see how HB handles the new Warden update for Legion that was mentioned.

 

[dragonbuddy]

I'm curious to see how HB handles the new Warden update for Legion that was mentioned.

source please?

 

[Raaz]

I read it somewhere. If I find it again I'll post it.

 

[Nightcrawler12]

I read it somewhere. If I find it again I'll post it.

Very keen to read this as well

 

[gienek123]

Why you need better hb first made this not detected lol

 

[TheGodKing]

Hiding behind 64-bit architecture won't make Honorbuddy safe. While it's possible that Warden may not employ the same detection methods under 64-bit does not make it any safer than 32-bit. If a hack is released in both 32 and 64 bit architectures, any successful detection's on either architecture can be ported over to their counter part, and you had better bet that Blizzard can afford the man power to do so. Soapbox Rotations is a perfect example, if the Soapbox team have made no changes to their 64-bit version since their 32-bit one was detected, then Blizzard already knows how to catch them.

64-bit is not some magical architecture that cannot be targeted by anti-*****s. It is very much under the same threat as 32-bit.

 

[hams]

Why you need better hb first made this not detected lol

thats the point...

maybe something big is coming with legion...

 

[Azhemoth]

This is just my input as to why these features aren't necessarily "better" for the bot, but just plain feature requests.
With that said, this is merely constructive feedback which is influenced by my own opinion and isn't intended to be viewed as trolling.

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- New navigation/path system that will randomize for each bot.

Randomized navigation may prevent players from seeing bots stacking up on each other / following the same paths, but in turn it could potentially cause more issues than it would solve.
When you randomize navigation, that leaves more room for error especially when on a larger scale like questing.

A 'bad' randomized path could potentially cause extreme bot-like behavior which would get you banned faster than anything.
This idea has been tested in the past, and it doesn't work that well - take note of Roboto's RandomKickz project.

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- Enhance the tripwire.. example: It'll shutdown the bot instantly. not after 5hrs

At any point tripwire activated "after 5hrs" wasn't because tripwire wasn't "enhanced" enough.
It was because Blizzard had a method of banning the bots without Tripwire being able to detect this.

Tripwire activates immediately when it detects changes in the client.
As stated by Raphus already, the method Blizzard was using to ban us was already fixed.

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- A 64bit version (i know it doesn't matter, but why make it easy for blizz to catch us? 95% of wow players if not more are using the 64bit version of wow. squeeze us(botters) between them) + performance

As you just said, "I know it doesn't matter" - so why suggest it? I know you don't want trolls on this thread, but this is the #1 troll-bait on these forums. So you're setting yourself up for trouble.
No, it won't prevent or reduce bans.
No, it doesn't give performance increases.
The 64bit architecture does nothing but allow for the program to use more than 4gigabytes of RAM at a time - which WoW doesn't even use that much RAM on Ultra graphics.
You aren't going to get anymore performance increases as compared to 32bit or reduced bans. Bots and hacks out there that are already 64bit have had banwaves, and some in fact have a higher banrate than Honorbuddy.
With that said, 64bit will only exist if WoW becomes 64bit only. The amount of work it would take to code Honorbuddy to run as 64bit would be a LOT of work, and it could take months.

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- Prevent gold sellers from abusing this bot, mess wow economy and make it target #1 on blizz eyes! maybe make another edition of the bot with sub. Yes let them pay if they want to bot suicidal 24/7.

Not going to happen. Ever.
Honorbuddy is a "do as you will" bot, hence why when arena support was removed, it was swiftly added back.
Something like this could potentially ruin Honorbuddy because of the severe backlash from the community.

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- A way to support the bot? sub for new customers maybe?

You're going to have to elaborate on that. No idea what you're talking about.
Unless you're saying that Honorbuddy should give away WoW accounts when someone purchases the bot - which that won't happen ever.
It's not economically sound on a business level.

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- New builtin tool that will mimic the behavior of your character. example: it can record your DPS rotation, how many times you jump. it will act as if it was you.

That would be a feature request for the community developers. Not really something that should be included into the bot.
Also, something like this wouldn't work too well. An exact 'mimic' of your behavior would be impossible to have the bot execute on an exact level.
Latency levels will almost instantly cause the bot to desyc from the behavior.

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- More features in bot settings?, like Sound on whisper/stuck, logout on too many Ganks, jump from time to time..etc! (most of us are not programmers)

It would be nice to have this built-in, but again. This is something the community developers could do.

 

[Z]

This is just my input as to why these features aren't necessarily "better" for the bot, but just plain feature requests.
With that said, this is merely constructive feedback which is influenced by my own opinion and isn't intended to be viewed as trolling.

Thank you!!!!

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Randomized navigation may prevent players from seeing bots stacking up on each other / following the same paths, but in turn it could potentially cause more issues than it would solve.
When you randomize navigation, that leaves more room for error especially when on a larger scale like questing.

A 'bad' randomized path could potentially cause extreme bot-like behavior which would get you banned faster than anything.
This idea has been tested in the past, and it doesn't work that well. Hence why it doesn't exist already.

So you prefer that we all move in the same path like a train and/or all together like a multi-boxer?
Trust me, i tried the "Randomize path" option! I wish it's in HB!

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At any point tripwire activated "after 5hrs" wasn't because tripwire wasn't "enhanced" enough.
It was because Blizzard had a method of banning the bots without Tripwire being able to detect this.

Tripwire activates immediately when it detects changes in the client.
As stated by Raphus already, the method Blizzard was using to ban us was already fixed.

That's why we need the tripwire to be "enhanced"

It seems like Honorbuddy was detected, we are not sure, but looking at the BAN THREADS, we think that its the most likely option atm.

HB did not know that they where detected until we started posting here..!
I don't mind waiting after every update blizz push and know that i will be safe, Even if it's weekly!

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As you just said, "I know it doesn't matter" - so why suggest it? I know you don't want trolls on this thread, but this is the #1 troll-bait on these forums. So you're setting yourself up for trouble.
No, it won't prevent or reduce bans.
No, it doesn't give performance increases.
The 64bit architecture does nothing but allow for the program to use more than 4gigabytes of RAM at a time - which WoW doesn't even use that much RAM on Ultra graphics.
You aren't going to get anymore performance increases as compared to 32bit or reduced bans. Bots and hacks out there that are already 64bit have had banwaves, and some in fact have a higher banrate than Honorbuddy.
With that said, 64bit will only exist if WoW becomes 64bit only. The amount of work it would take to code Honorbuddy to run as 64bit would be a LOT of work, and it could take months.

Well, "trolls" and spammers will be reported and ignored.
We have the best Mods here

Back to the 64bit client, I am sorry but ill have to disagree with you; the difference between 64bit and 32bit in performance is noticeable!
Also as i said, why make it easy for blizz to target HB? Most/All normal players use 64bit! none with 64bit system will use 32bit.. Why in hell would he do that?
Even if it's hard for HB devs/admin.. the protection of our accounts should be priority #1 for them. So it is worth the hard time! (I know our accounts are prio1, just replying to what you said)

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Not going to happen. Ever.
Honorbuddy is a "do as you will" bot, hence why when arena support was removed, it was swiftly added back.
Something like this could potentially ruin Honorbuddy because of the severe backlash from the community.

IMO, The main reason HB is being heavily targeted by blizz is from those who are botting suicidal, especially dungeon farming! - that's just insane -
If there is No WoW.. There will be No HB
When was the last time you checked the gld price(eu)? it went down to .07/k... $ ofc..

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You're going to have to elaborate on that. No idea what you're talking about.
Unless you're saying that Honorbuddy should give away WoW accounts when someone purchases the bot - which that won't happen ever.
It's not economically sound on a business level.

No lifetime for new customers. monthly/yearly subs only! - well that's just an idea tho -

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That would be a feature request for the community developers. Not really something that should be included into the bot.
Also, something like this wouldn't work too well. An exact 'mimic' of your behavior would be impossible to have the bot execute on an exact level.
Latency levels will almost instantly cause the bot to desyc from the behavior.

I prefer(like everyone else ) this tool to be done by the main devs cause it will be perfect!
And Not the exact behavior.. but it's an idea to start with.
I my self never used the bot for gold! I only use it to farm things that i miss(mounts, pets..etc), Leveling OR CR!
A tool that will copy my rotation is a good thing for the bot like the profile maker... etc

It would be nice to have this built-in, but again. This is something the community developers could do.

It should be in the bot by default ...

 

[pimpampum]

Back to the 64bit client, I am sorry but ill have to disagree with you; the difference between 64bit and 32bit in performance is noticeable!
Also as i said, why make it easy for blizz to target HB? Most/All normal players use 64bit! none with 64bit system will use 32bit.. Why in hell would he do that?
Even if it's hard for HB devs/admin.. the protection of our accounts should be priority #1 for them. So it is worth the hard time! (I know our accounts are prio1, just replying to what you said)

Completely agree.

Would like to ask Azemoth to provide further info on the 64 bit wow bots that he mentioned were receiving bans at a higher rate than Hb.

I could only find 1 - and not exactly a bot; furthermore, it has been proven and openly expressed by its devs that x32 versions were the only ones receiving bans. Quite a proof, if you ask me.

Could you please enlighten me, or us? Thanks in advance.