8 hour bot max

[plzdontban]

I was reading the official release about the banwave, and you guys say that botting more than 8 hours a day *drastically* improves your chance to be banned, and there was no detection issues. The thing is, I had 3 friends get banned in that wave that literally started botting 2 days earlier. That's clearly not enough time to draw flags if there wasn't some instant redflag behavior of the bot. I guess just wondering opinions on this. Also, at 8 hours, that's really not enough time to even do anything of relevance. Would take forever just to make game price back at 8 hour a pop starting fresh paragon.

perhaps the big red profile is just incredibly detectable? As everyone I know that got banned was running that, however the forums show many users banned also using varied profiles and customs etc

 

[ezpwnd]

I was banned after using one of my mains when developing a plugin. I ran DB on this acc for about 5 hours over 2 days, haven't used DB on this for about 2 month previously. Still banned. Good thing I got it recovered.

 

[chaze]

One of my mates ran had his bot for 1 month before ban. He was botting like.. every second day and only for 4-5 hours and sometimes even every third day.. Still banned.

 

[plzdontban]

Yah there's definitely something more to this banwave, and the part that bothers me is that nobody really knows. Hopefully the waypoint window/id vendoring thing is a big deal, but just trying to wrap my head around the 8 hour recommendation. Cause if that holds some kinda truth for the future, I honestly wasted money even buying back in. No matter what though, there was either a profile, or a behavior, or something that was an instant redflag. Perhaps not client detection, but something nailed tons of people, even brand brand new users. It makes me uneasy without knowing what it was, cause it's likely to just hit again at blizzard's discretion, which if anything makes me want to bot around the clock to try and get my money back out before the next wave.

 

[chaze]

Mule accounts is the way to be safe. I will get one if I start again.

 

[plzdontban]

Mule accounts for the rmah sales or what? How does that effect getting ur bots banned/time per day to bot or the blizz detection?

 

[Hawker]

Yah there's definitely something more to this banwave, and the part that bothers me is that nobody really knows.
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Not knowing is how Blizzard wants it. I would love to be able to say "This was detected so don't do it" but I can't. Most of our users did not get banned. Those who got banned in short periods exist and it puzzles us. When we have more information, of course we will share it.

 

[chaze]

Yes, and swap items and gold over to the mule ofc. Well if you are banned on your bot account you won't loose items in stash for 200mil+ and 300mil in pure gold.
And yes i know it' stupid to save that much gold but was expecting the PvP patch soon and the gold price to raise ^^

 

[ezpwnd]

Not knowing is how Blizzard wants it. I would love to be able to say "This was detected so don't do it" but I can't. Most of our users did not get banned. Those who got banned in short periods exist and it puzzles us. When we have more information, of course we will share it.

Most users didn't get banned? Teh fuck?

 

[pimpampum]

Not knowing is how Blizzard wants it. I would love to be able to say "This was detected so don't do it" but I can't. Most of our users did not get banned. Those who got banned in short periods exist and it puzzles us. When we have more information, of course we will share it.

I would like to know how are you able to say most users weren't banned. I know for a fact I got 6/9 accounts banned and didn't took the time to report it here. Guess someone with less accounts would have even less interest to announce it here; would you be so kind as to let us know your banned/not banned accounts accounting method?

EDIT: The 3 accounts that made through it were 3-4 days old. I'm accepting that they are flagged since people with less time played were banned, they just kept them in there so it would be easier for them to track related accounts on the next "insertyourwordchoicehere"wave.

By the way, thank you for your hard work. I appreciate the effort all developers are putting in right now, but I would be pleased with a little more honesty/transparency. Just my humble belief, you know.

 

[geostigma]

Most users didn't get banned? Teh fuck?

PR lies. gotta save face.the % of which is purely speculative. there is no way even for bossland to know exactly how many DB users got banned.

All I know is that all of mine got banned. Also, 2 of my buddies that also botted got banned too. They were on EU servers and got the ban about 48 hours after all the US reports started flooding in.

 

[JimJohnsonBanMe4life]

OPINION: Statistical analysis is what blizzard is using to catch people. The ones that got hit, this trip were probably in the category they were currently using to detect bot like behavior. After further review I am sure we leave more then a few footprints if an account is flagged for a REAL person review vs just query searching.

All we can do is make the bot only do things players normally can do, and decrease superhuman speed to human speed.

If everyone just ran for 8 hours, they would start to sift through stats on people who play 5-12 hours a day. From that point figure out common things that caught botters before and run those searches on people within given play habits.

Then again what do I know.

 

[Eisenberg]

Simply put, DB temas has no idea what caused this massive banwave, they have made some tweaks to their program, but advising ppl to bot only "8 hours max" while many ppl got banned for several hours of botting while many others (me including) were botting 24/24 for several months clearly show their powerlessness aganist new detection system. Chances are that botting with DB is gone until we see some major evolution of botting technique, such as when we switched from 15s-5 minutes sarkoth/core goldruns to full act inferno item farming.

 

[tesslerc]

Until it doesn't initialize plugins b4 login - never will be safe :|

 

[plzdontban]

Thanks for everyone's feedback and opinions. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one doing a little head scratching here. I especially care because I was hit in both waves. I bought back in on the first wave, and lost an entire new set of accounts a mere 6 days later or whatever it was. At that pace this is obviously not a feasible endeavor for me. Hopefully the incredible DB team can continue to resolve this issue, as I have great faith! As for mule accounts, is that actually *safe*? If I route all my bots rmah transactions through one clean account, I can actually get away with that? I feel like a guilty by association factor would start to apply after a while.

 

[secureit]

My IT opinion is that they could of possibly ran a QUERY which im sure what the whole auction site is a .DB file. on a SQL Server. Then they entered and's/what-if's etc and compiled a algorhythm that was deemed implausible. But just a possibility.

 

[secureit]

Since I believe "Software detection" is out of the question?

 

[plzdontban]

Since I believe "Software detection" is out of the question?

The db team is quite confident in a lack of *software detection*, but to me it's just semantics anyways. Whether blizzard specifically detects demonbuddy running, or a behavior of the bot is an instant red flag, it's all the same on the communities end. Banned. Buy in again. I am slightly curious as to the mule thing, I have little faith I can route my farm through one clean account and get away with that forever; however, at the current ban pace, that would be irrelevant anyways. I would go broke

 

[NHK]

Still banned. Good thing I got it recovered.

Unbelievable...
Someone actually managed to get an appeal through with success. I also thought about appealing, but my chances are close to zero. Only if i wait like 60 days and they'll erase their logs. ))
I'm not going to ask how you did it exactly (you wouldn't want to expose it and i understand it). It's important enough to me that they do not just send automatic "F U and farewell" messages to everyone and appealing might actually have a chance of success.

 

[shuto1]

My theory which to me is the only possible way to explain the bans, is that blizzard knows everyone who is botting in the first place. They will only ban once in a while to keep the forum trolls happy, and to have us buy more accounts. This is why you can't stop it no matter what with how many changes you make to db. This is just my theory, but I bet I'm right.