32bit

[TurboNerd]

You use 32-bit for a lot more than you think. I'm willing to bet that more than half the programs you run on a daily basis are still using 32-bit architecture.

1) kind of goes to show his lack of understanding of the things he uses to have made such a statement. 2) I'd say half is a lowball, hell going thru mine about 80% of them are *32 at the end. 3) that doesn't even cover the other stuff you dont even think about, the cpu in your modern car, smart phone, hell your fucking microwave... while not every case is the cpu they're using even remotely similar to those in your modern PC, the fact is they've got a CPU in them and very rarely is it anywhere near current "standard" specs

 

[ryftobuddy]

1) kind of goes to show his lack of understanding of the things he uses to have made such a statement. 2) I'd say half is a lowball, hell going thru mine about 80% of them are *32 at the end. 3) that doesn't even cover the other stuff you dont even think about, the cpu in your modern car, smart phone, hell your fucking microwave... while not every case is the cpu they're using even remotely similar to those in your modern PC, the fact is they've got a CPU in them and very rarely is it anywhere near current "standard" specs

I don't count things like microwaves, phones and cars as programs installed on my computer, nor should you.

Almost every electronic device you touch on a daily basis uses some type of computer architecture. It's not really fair to count these as not running x64.

What you can count though is software installed onto your pc.

 

[Zeewolf]

Ofc a significant part of the software you use is 32bit but already said, this is about what OS you run. If you install a 32bit OS then you limit yourself to 32bit software. Installing a 64bit OS you have the choice of either and really for most people that is the only difference because things like old running very old hardware for specific uses are not going to come into play in the home environment

Its nice to have some real statistics presented from Raph however, this shows that when it comes down to brass tacks over in china where affordability of current hardware is an issue and people dont buy their OS they get pirate copies because there isnt really any penalty for it, As its so easy to pirate windows 7 thats what the majority are still running on, and when windows 7 came out you were much more likely to have just come away from running XP and having hardware that was only supported with 32bit drivers. Windows 7 was about the point where going 64bit became a viable choice IF you had supported hardware.

Cheers for taking the time to provide a bit of insight there Raph, I realise certain numbers are sensitive information to your business but I think its valuable to understand among us in the community that there is a still clearly a very strong case as to why 32bit needs to be supported for some time.

 

[keespiet]

x64 is just an extention to x86. today's 64 bit processor is x86_x64, extended. This means they support instruction sets for 32 bit and 64 bit processing... However older cpu's, in that old machine you might use to bot 24/7 in the basement, not always support x64.

Now you might be wondering why not support both, you can just compile the application for a specific platform right? Well usually that's possible, but here is the real problem.. x86 and x64 WoW are different builds with different offsets that the bot uses to interact with the WoW client. So supporting both means double work on every new build...

It's really not a big deal to run x86, even if our hardware supports x64. Performance wise it should not matter either, the cycles that the bot undergoes every second (15 times by default) is an expensive proces, but simple... It should not make a difference in any case.

 

[Ryzon]

x64 is just an extention to x86. today's 64 bit processor is x86_x64, extended.

It's actually a little more complicated than that. AMD actually created the first true 64-bit x86 based architecture with the Opteron. You'll still a lot of 64-bit Linux builds called amd64. Intel had a true 64-bit cpu with the Itanium but the production costs were quite high and it was only used for high end servers. Intel then licensed the "x64" instruction set from AMD and created a hybrid cpu with the early Pentium D and Core processors.

 

[BotOperator]

Please take note, this is not a thread of should HB be 32bit or 64bit. Please do not comment on that.. its has been discussed many times and will not contribute to the point of this.

...and it became exactly this again, another not needed thread about PROs and CONs of x86 or x64.

 

[Ryzon]

...and it became exactly this again, another not needed thread about PROs and CONs of x86 or x64.

The discussion hasn't been about HB specifically. But why 32-bit still exists in general. I think that's a fair topic.

 

[plyb0y007]

32-bit still exists because probably close to 90% of the software you use on a daily basis only requires it. It's like why use an 8-core or 4-core CPU. Most software still doesn't even utilize 2 cores unless it was written for a specific purpose for my CPU power. All 64-bit does is create chaos because people always say 64-bit is better than 32-bit, but don't really explain why (and i'm not going to either, because i'm not completely sure. I just know it's not necessarily a performance upgrade). Probably the most basic reason people think it's better is simply because it's a newer technology. Anyways, just my 2 cents. Please correct me if I provided incorrect information.

 

[Ryzon]

32-bit still exists because probably close to 90% of the software you use on a daily basis only requires it. It's like why use an 8-core or 4-core CPU. Most software still doesn't even utilize 2 cores unless it was written for a specific purpose for my CPU power. All 64-bit does is create chaos because people always say 64-bit is better than 32-bit, but don't really explain why (and i'm not going to either, because i'm not completely sure. I just know it's not necessarily a performance upgrade). Probably the most basic reason people think it's better is simply because it's a newer technology. Anyways, just my 2 cents. Please correct me if I provided incorrect information.

64-Bit has Blast Processing

 

[schealex]

...and it became exactly this again, another not needed thread about PROs and CONs of x86 or x64.

there can and will not ever be a list of pros and cons because there are no cons besides the business side of spending money without getting any in return.
there is literally no existing reason why a software should not support both 32 and 64 bit besides the manpower fact.

period

 

[Zeewolf]

...and it became exactly this again, another not needed thread about PROs and CONs of x86 or x64.

Shut it down, clearly expecting people to read before even posting an opinion was having too high expectations