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it does matter ofc
Software detection=DB's flaw
Behavior detection=user's flaw
and again you insist on something that its wrong,if DB was detected everyone would get banned
And again, you insist on this basic demagocic concept that most userbase will eat like popcorn. You are assuming as a fact that if Db was detected everybody would be banned. That only stands if THEY WANTED TO. Just like flagging an account for investigation, if wouldn't take a huge amount of resources to JUST flag an account as Third Party Software user, and then ban then whenever they feel like it. It would be an amazing (sigh) 1 line of coding changed in their antibotting measures...
Let's be honest , Tony. You, probably better than all of us, know that most Db userbase is composed of small time botters, people with 1 or 2 accounts. Now, take a look at yesterday's miniwave. It affected mostly Max botters, people with lots of accounts. What are the chances, if any, of manual or behavoiral flagging ONLY multibotters? This is a guess, but I would consider multibotters are more worried about their "investment" and would probably take more defensive measures, just like not going 24/7, using different classes and profiles, setting breaks to act more humanlike, etc.
I know for a fact I used several classes, I botted max 16 hours a day with several breaks , Changed MacID,router Ip and computer Ip from the big banwave, used different emails and about every profile available till I found the most random one and probably safest, Firewalled everything Blizzard related in my computer, and the list of stup?d useless measures could go on because I applied everything I read to make it safer.
I still got banned.
In my oppinion, Db staff is completely blind about the new antibot measures that blizzard uses; I still have big trust in you though, and I know with enough time and will you'll find out what's going on.
But please, don't try to fool us, because it will only lower the amount of trust we can put in you.
if you call 200 accs a wave then you are far away from the truth
also i like how people are talking about antibot measures,when they dont know even how warden works...
anyways
You are 100% right, I don't know how Blizzard antibot measures work. That's why I used every single thing that I thought, or people thought, that could help avoid being banned.
I'm sure you know far more than me, and would love to hear your advice.
I call 200 accs a miniwave. We all know Db userbase isn't as strong as it was since the Big Ban day. Yet I realise how you explicitly avoided giving an answer about why the 200's accounts banned yesterday affected in a 95% to multibotters.
There are other programs out there with a banning rate well below 10%, you know it. Ofc, as Db is the most used by a large margin, most efforts will be applied against it, thats pure logic.
But, If we are talking about behaviour detection, it would make no difference what program you're using, ban percentage would be similar. Either that, or Db userbase is more stupid than the other programs userbase. Don't think thats the case.
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well the other programs you are talking about got 10% or less of DB's user base
also if you check the latest reports you are talking about its easy to find why they are banned
i replied on many of those threads already,you can see my replies
also if you check the latest reports you are talking about its easy to find why they are banned
i replied on many of those threads already,you can see my replies
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DB isn't detected. Read the ban forum where you see threads saying "30/30 banned running 24/7" and that tells you exactly what is happening. Blizzard is hammering gold
farmers. There are occasional reports from an individual but the bans are generally of people running serious farming operations.
http://www.thebuddyforum.com/demonb...-reports/101421-8-8-banned-eu.html#post997397
That post tells you why you will continue to read ban reports every month or so. Farmers get the cost of DB and D3 back every week so every cent they earn after
1 week is profit. Botting 24/7 makes sense to them because that's how they choose to maximise the profit. Blizzard knows this and bans 100s at a time to scare new users off.
Personally I would be happier if people botted less hours and rotated profiles more often but if someone buys Demonbuddy, its their own decision how to use it.
Blizz would be stupid to ban ALL detected botters...
...we can't tell if DB is detected or not, but you have to admit, that it seems like DB is detected! Oh wait, you can't even if you wanted to, it would ruin yourself and thats ok!
Just don't lie...
...we don't like any lies!
I personally stopped botting, cause i got hit using DB only for 6 hours a day, and btw i didnt write a ban-report, cause i don't have anything to say => i used DB and got banned, thats all!
I believe in you and i hope you can avoid more bans by improving DB as far as you can!
so long....
...we can't tell if DB is detected or not, but you have to admit, that it seems like DB is detected! Oh wait, you can't even if you wanted to, it would ruin yourself and thats ok!
Just don't lie...
...we don't like any lies!
I personally stopped botting, cause i got hit using DB only for 6 hours a day, and btw i didnt write a ban-report, cause i don't have anything to say => i used DB and got banned, thats all!
I believe in you and i hope you can avoid more bans by improving DB as far as you can!
so long....
Ok. first, thank you both for showing up.
Tony, we know, and I especified it on my post, that the other programs have a very little userbase when compared to Db. Yet, you keep saying the problem is Behaviour Detection, then, why they don't have bans just like Db users? Not so many reported bans , ok, but SOME bans at least.....I checked this programs Ban report section and it seems there is 1 ban for every 200 in Db. Do you think that's the proportion of users?
And Hawker, yeah I agree with your post completely; yet, bans are not only happening to those who play maximum risk, there are several people that tried to follow these advices you gave and they were banned just the same way.
Me, the last post's guy, and many others can attest to it.
So, what do you think of the fact these last days bans have been directed to multibotters? Is there anything ELSE we could do? Is there a maximum bot number to keep it safe?
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thats just ur theory.
im pretty sure Crashed have something to do with those banns.
all my bots running 24/7 and sometimes after 10+ hours one crashed but one the day before the bann they all crashed every 10 minets for over 4 hours or so. nothing changed so far.
nearly all the other boters banned report those crashed, which never happens before the bann too.
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We know. For now we think that its like dolphins getting caught in tuna nets. My guess is that Blizzard has an algorithm that detects certain area being farmed for a certain amount of time coupled with certain transactions. It gets about 5% of farmers when they run it. It also gets a few careful botters. First time they ran it, it also hit innocent users.
Farming Diablo 3 is profitable. Blizzard knows they can ban and ban and the banned people will rush out to buy new Diablo 3 accounts. Its very hard for us to know what to advise when Blizzard is making tons of cash out of banning farmers.
Im reading this topic from yesterday. Iam new here, and just wondering about buying DB. Tell me please you guys, is better to wait few days till you "fix it up" & get to know whats happening which help you solve the problem, or is just statistic, some day everyone will take a bann - and take a risk. Main question, wait or buy. One account - one bot.
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Most botters make the cost of DB and D3 back in their first week or so. That's why you see so many posts about people will 10 or so bots - its very profitable. But if you care about the account to the point where being banned would make you sad, don't buy a bot. All botters get banned sooner or later. We don't have changes planned for Demonbuddy until the next patch so if you are willing to take the chance, you may as well do it sooner than later.
Well, thank you. This is exactly the kind of post I expected for when we asked for more honesty and transparency from the devs and mods. keep it up pls.
I dont have much money. After playing legit to paragon lvl 100 I just got totally bored. Around para lvl 40 I bought a second copy of the game and used it exclusively for selling on the GAH. I basically spent 45 euro's just to have an extra 10 GAH auctions running.
I continued like this until I got to paragon lvl 100 on my main account. I then got a friend to speed lvl my 2nd account to 60 in around 4-5hrs ( leorics/cains set/MP10 ). After I got to para 100 I just got bored and figured I might aswell bot the 2nd account.....bought 1 copy of demonbuddy and went 12 hrs a day. After 2 weeks I bought a 2nd DB and started botting my main also. They both got banned around 2 weeks later, and I was stupid enough to keep buying upgrades for my characters rather than just use them as a "vehicle for making money". The 2nd account ran for around 3 weeks and got banned at para lvl 89. I botted my main for around 10 days only before the 18th dec ban wave.
Had I just sold all the gold/items I'd made from those 2 accounts instead of being a dick and buying items for my botting accounts I would have made around 200 euros. That is 2 x copies of d3, and 2 x DB passes + a 50 euro clear profit.
I've since bought a new copy of D3 and am back playing legit. I'm just a poor student who cant afford to setup again....just incase they get banned before showing a return. When blizz have their focus elsewhere and stuff has calmed down I will definately return to botting. I just cant afford to risk it atm. I accepted the risk, I just never expected to feel so awful when my main got banned. My own fault, but c'est la vie.
I'll be back for sure, and the one thing I will definately make sure of, is that there is absolutely no connection, be it transfer of items or gold etc between my main account and my botting account(s). Wish I could afford it atm, sadly I cant run the risk....Just being sensible and not jeopardising my degree. Wish everyone a ban free month and I'll continue to read whats going on in the addictive and fun world of botting.
I continued like this until I got to paragon lvl 100 on my main account. I then got a friend to speed lvl my 2nd account to 60 in around 4-5hrs ( leorics/cains set/MP10 ). After I got to para 100 I just got bored and figured I might aswell bot the 2nd account.....bought 1 copy of demonbuddy and went 12 hrs a day. After 2 weeks I bought a 2nd DB and started botting my main also. They both got banned around 2 weeks later, and I was stupid enough to keep buying upgrades for my characters rather than just use them as a "vehicle for making money". The 2nd account ran for around 3 weeks and got banned at para lvl 89. I botted my main for around 10 days only before the 18th dec ban wave.
Had I just sold all the gold/items I'd made from those 2 accounts instead of being a dick and buying items for my botting accounts I would have made around 200 euros. That is 2 x copies of d3, and 2 x DB passes + a 50 euro clear profit.
I've since bought a new copy of D3 and am back playing legit. I'm just a poor student who cant afford to setup again....just incase they get banned before showing a return. When blizz have their focus elsewhere and stuff has calmed down I will definately return to botting. I just cant afford to risk it atm. I accepted the risk, I just never expected to feel so awful when my main got banned. My own fault, but c'est la vie.
I'll be back for sure, and the one thing I will definately make sure of, is that there is absolutely no connection, be it transfer of items or gold etc between my main account and my botting account(s). Wish I could afford it atm, sadly I cant run the risk....Just being sensible and not jeopardising my degree. Wish everyone a ban free month and I'll continue to read whats going on in the addictive and fun world of botting.
What about the bans in December that caught every single Demonbuddy user? Well, except for your developer accounts, right? Because Demonbuddy isn't detected.. Heh.
