02/27 Sales

[REZZZ]

Hi all,

I was just curious if anyone had any issue with their 02/27 payments? I made a sale worth over $80 on 02/27 and it hasnt finished processing yet. Usually im not worried about slow processing but given the recent AH issues im getting kinda sketched out. Other items form 02/27 and 02/28 have already finished and have been payed out. Its the first decent sized sale ive made in a while and have my fingers crossed it doesnt end up in the black whole that is the blame game between blizzard and paypal over lost payments.

Also, In your experience have you noticed that higher dollar items take longer to process as of lately?

 

[Harmacintyre]

moar munny moar problems

 

[REZZZ]

Fuck, just as i suspected it went from "Processing" to "Sold" today and nothing into my Paypal.... Man, a shitty D3 eco is one thing, but when you don't even get paid for the stuff you do sell it becomes a little disheartening. Fack! Good luck all.

 

[buce15]

Same boat. $3 and $6 paid the day before and day after my $200 sale. $170 still in limbo. bnet forums say it'll eventually get paid out (people have waited up to 4 weeks it seems). US.

 

[Harmacintyre]

it takes up to 72 hours after its "sold" to go into paypal

 

[REZZZ]

@harm I hope your right. My experience has been that once and auction has gone from processing to sold the funds were almost Instantly in my Paypal.

@Buce Did you send a support ticket?

 

[TULKA]

same here, i just posted somewhere, i havent recived single dollar on my PP account from 25th 02 and have sold multiple items every day

they owe me 400 euros or more till now, stuff got sold, but nothing on PP. Not a single transaction got resolved last 7 days

and 7days is 168 hours

any suggestions what to do ?

 

[kupaloids23]

same here, i just posted somewhere, i havent recived single dollar on my PP account from 25th 02 and have sold multiple items every day

they owe me 400 euros or more till now, stuff got sold, but nothing on PP. Not a single transaction got resolved last 7 days

and 7days is 168 hours

any suggestions what to do ?

My suggestion is, shut the door and cry.

 

[plzdontban]

blizz owes me about 400$ at this point now. I'm not getting money on anything I've been selling since the issue arose. All sold status, not a dime in paypal. Hope it all clears with maint tonight

 

[leondgorance]

Same here...got one item sold for 250e and one for 130e.I see number like when proccesing is fisnished but it say still proccessing...one is on 26th februray and second is on 28th february...hope it will be fixed soon.

 

[nutshot]

I didn't want to complain since it was botted money in the first place, but it's nice to know I'm not alone.

 

[olivete]

Since 01/03 all my sells were not paid. They were cleared at RMAH but I never saw the $$ in my Paypal account.

 

[Lichd2]

Just because its "botted money" doesn't mean you didn't invest to get it. Blizz took the money from someone that bought your item...

 

[REZZZ]

" I didn't want to complain since it was botted money in the first place, but it's nice to know I'm not alone."

Just because its "botted money" doesn't mean you didn't invest to get it. Blizz took the money from someone that bought your item...

Ahhh yes. The business ethics of botting. First of all to me it seems rather comical that there is such a thing as "business ethics". In the real world Its a matter of trying to get as much profit out of the customer while creating the illusion of value.

I think of us botters as the robin hoods of d3. We provide players with the ability to buy items and commodities at a reasonable price. If botters didnt exist think about how crazy expensive items/ commodities would be. Were not doing anything illegal or duping items. Were simply implementing a business strategy that helps the casual player. Of course blizzard will spread propaganda that botting is bad but that is to try and keep prices inflated.

So IMO regardless if an item is found by hand or by your bot you should get every cent that your customer paid for.

 

[nutshot]

" I didn't want to complain since it was botted money in the first place, but it's nice to know I'm not alone."




Ahhh yes. The business ethics of botting. First of all to me it seems rather comical that there is such a thing as "business ethics". In the real world Its a matter of trying to get as much profit out of the customer while creating the illusion of value.

I think of us botters as the robin hoods of d3. We provide players with the ability to buy items and commodities at a reasonable price. If botters didnt exist think about how crazy expensive items/ commodities would be. Were not doing anything illegal or duping items. Were simply implementing a business strategy that helps the casual player. Of course blizzard will spread propaganda that botting is bad but that is to try and keep prices inflated.

So IMO regardless if an item is found by hand or by your bot you should get every cent that your customer paid for.

I wasn't sure if I wanted to say anything further... but now that I think about it, I've got time, and plenty of it too[for now until my life starts picking up pace later]. :] so here I go...

Directed at quote number 1: The way I see it. They didn't take money from me, but rather they took money that they allowed me to generate. Without their game I wouldn't have made any money to begin with. Being able to generate any income at all is huge for me, worth much more than them taking a few every now and again. If there's one thing I've experienced in life, it's how grateful I should be for the things I have, and I really don't have a lot either. But everyday I'm grateful.

Now for quote number 2: I've actually never heard of the term "business ethics" until I read your post. But to look at us botters as the "robin hoods" of d3 is definitely one way of looking at it, but when I see it not through my shoes as the botter, not through the costumers shoes, and not even from the shoes of blizzard. But when I look at it as a whole, your point of view seems a lot like Hitler's when he wanted to make the "perfect human","race","society", or something along those lines. What I mean is that, although his intentions were "good"[i quote that because I don't believe that there is definitive term for good or bad, it's a preferential way of looking at things.] The impact of the ideals he tried to enforce, were considered by many as, "bad". Here's why; one would think that we provide the players with the ability to buy items and commodities at reasonable prices. But it seems more like all of us bots pieced together a powerful engine, put that engine in a vehicle, named it inflation and drove it full throttle down the highway of the damned. If botters did not exist, the prices of items/ commodities would be to my [minimal]understanding either the same or slightly cheaper than they are now. Why? because an item's value is not only based on supply and demand, but on the curb of quantity of similar items. I remember the days when a valuable chest piece only needed to have, main stat, AR, vit, and 3 sockets. The value of each stat besides the socket didn't even need to be anything near as high as it is today, and still people were paying good money for that. In fact, we the bots are probably the single biggest force driving everyone out of the game... I remember when I first played D3, things were challenging, and exciting, and still viable. But ever since the botty boomers, only players who play enough to have masses of gold, or people who already have masses money or are willing to spend money will be playing. Casual players will naturally be weened out through the process. Even potential costumers of ours will be driven out because they'll feel their toon can't compete with players with so much gold or so much money, so to them, why bother? But if you can keep the mass majority in a relatively competitive distance of gear quality, they'll likely feel inclined to look for a bit of a boost to give them an edge, thus they'll then turn to spending some money. But it would seems like we drove all of them away. I can personally say I would've been driven away by all of this. Before I found out about DB I was farming by hand around 10 hours a day to try and make a buck, but for some reason, I just couldn't compete. Not only did I never make a buck farming by hand, my toon was less than mediocre I almost gave up on trying to get somewhere through d3, obviously that's when i found out about DB and now I don't have to waste 10 hours a day of my life sitting there doing something I don't even really like, and I'm making money not doing it . I'm not the head of a company or anything... but If I launched a game with a rmah, a huge player base, and I found out that there are lots of botter and whatever I do will amount to almost no result, I would also probably try to get the message out there that botters are "bad". For one, they're not "good" for the economy. They bring abundance where abundance is not meant to be, even if at first it seems appealing... Lets raise minimum wage to 500 dollars an hour. Does that solve anything? I doubt it. Now there's more money, but prices raise. Let's give everyone a BMW, now everyone will want better cars... Lets bot for "good" items and sell it. Okay check. But now all the players want better items. Players will demand better items. I don't know if blizzard intended to bump the stats of once "good" items but it seemed to me as if many players were calling out for better quality items, so even if blizzard did intend to bump the quality of items, i'm fairly certain they didn't intend on it happening so suddenly and so often. Here's where it gets tricky. As blizzard, do i keep up with the demands for constantly buffing items with upcoming patches or do i spend that time polishing and building up the game? Either way, I can only spend a minimal amount of resources on either, because we have such a massive amount of players breaching our contracts. This is going to be a drain on resources. And as a respected and renown company, I'll do my best to keep things status quo, but in the process, game development may suffer as a whole. As we work on this many of the players who have kept up with the game will have the new "standard" of gear, and from what i've seen in the past plenty enough, they'll demand a buff. Now trying to please their customers they TRY to carefully implement buffed items in a timely manner, which throws their whole plan off course, and instead of building items that complement the game, they have to try and build a game that works in harmony with the ever rising standards of the items. If i constantly had to keep up with all these things all the time chances are, my game would end up just as "bad" as d3 currently is as of now. This is just the way I see it. Of course I may be wrong as I so often am in life. [or else I wouldn't even be here botting for income and spending my time typing this up.]

 

[REZZZ]

I wasn't sure if I wanted to say anything further... but now that I think about it, I've got time, and plenty of it too[for now until my life starts picking up pace later]. :] so here I go...

Directed at quote number 1: The way I see it. They didn't take money from me, but rather they took money that they allowed me to generate. Without their game I wouldn't have made any money to begin with. Being able to generate any income at all is huge for me, worth much more than them taking a few every now and again. If there's one thing I've experienced in life, it's how grateful I should be for the things I have, and I really don't have a lot either. But everyday I'm grateful.

Now for quote number 2: I've actually never heard of the term "business ethics" until I read your post. But to look at us botters as the "robin hoods" of d3 is definitely one way of looking at it, but when I see it not through my shoes as the botter, not through the costumers shoes, and not even from the shoes of blizzard. But when I look at it as a whole, your point of view seems a lot like Hitler's when he wanted to make the "perfect human","race","society", or something along those lines. What I mean is that, although his intentions were "good"[i quote that because I don't believe that there is definitive term for good or bad, it's a preferential way of looking at things.] The impact of the ideals he tried to enforce, were considered by many as, "bad". Here's why; one would think that we provide the players with the ability to buy items and commodities at reasonable prices. But it seems more like all of us bots pieced together a powerful engine, put that engine in a vehicle, named it inflation and drove it full throttle down the highway of the damned. If botters did not exist, the prices of items/ commodities would be to my [minimal]understanding either the same or slightly cheaper than they are now. Why? because an item's value is not only based on supply and demand, but on the curb of quantity of similar items. I remember the days when a valuable chest piece only needed to have, main stat, AR, vit, and 3 sockets. The value of each stat besides the socket didn't even need to be anything near as high as it is today, and still people were paying good money for that. In fact, we the bots are probably the single biggest force driving everyone out of the game... I remember when I first played D3, things were challenging, and exciting, and still viable. But ever since the botty boomers, only players who play enough to have masses of gold, or people who already have masses money or are willing to spend money will be playing. Casual players will naturally be weened out through the process. Even potential costumers of ours will be driven out because they'll feel their toon can't compete with players with so much gold or so much money, so to them, why bother? But if you can keep the mass majority in a relatively competitive distance of gear quality, they'll likely feel inclined to look for a bit of a boost to give them an edge, thus they'll then turn to spending some money. But it would seems like we drove all of them away. I can personally say I would've been driven away by all of this. Before I found out about DB I was farming by hand around 10 hours a day to try and make a buck, but for some reason, I just couldn't compete. Not only did I never make a buck farming by hand, my toon was less than mediocre I almost gave up on trying to get somewhere through d3, obviously that's when i found out about DB and now I don't have to waste 10 hours a day of my life sitting there doing something I don't even really like, and I'm making money not doing it . I'm not the head of a company or anything... but If I launched a game with a rmah, a huge player base, and I found out that there are lots of botter and whatever I do will amount to almost no result, I would also probably try to get the message out there that botters are "bad". For one, they're not "good" for the economy. They bring abundance where abundance is not meant to be, even if at first it seems appealing... Lets raise minimum wage to 500 dollars an hour. Does that solve anything? I doubt it. Now there's more money, but prices raise. Let's give everyone a BMW, now everyone will want better cars... Lets bot for "good" items and sell it. Okay check. But now all the players want better items. Players will demand better items. I don't know if blizzard intended to bump the stats of once "good" items but it seemed to me as if many players were calling out for better quality items, so even if blizzard did intend to bump the quality of items, i'm fairly certain they didn't intend on it happening so suddenly and so often. Here's where it gets tricky. As blizzard, do i keep up with the demands for constantly buffing items with upcoming patches or do i spend that time polishing and building up the game? Either way, I can only spend a minimal amount of resources on either, because we have such a massive amount of players breaching our contracts. This is going to be a drain on resources. And as a respected and renown company, I'll do my best to keep things status quo, but in the process, game development may suffer as a whole. As we work on this many of the players who have kept up with the game will have the new "standard" of gear, and from what i've seen in the past plenty enough, they'll demand a buff. Now trying to please their customers they TRY to carefully implement buffed items in a timely manner, which throws their whole plan off course, and instead of building items that complement the game, they have to try and build a game that works in harmony with the ever rising standards of the items. If i constantly had to keep up with all these things all the time chances are, my game would end up just as "bad" as d3 currently is as of now. This is just the way I see it. Of course I may be wrong as I so often am in life. [or else I wouldn't even be here botting for income and spending my time typing this up.]

Nutshot, thats awesome you're grateful for everything you have, as am I. But remember that with out you blizzard doesn't make any money either. If their aren't a fresh stream of items that come to market then there is no tax that blizzard gets. Remember, the early bird gets the worm.

Lol! its all fun and games until Hitler gets thrown into the conversation.... But in all seriousness each person has their own moral compass. Im an Entrepreneur by trade and most open markets that dont have a limited supply will eventually become over saturated with competition and or product. Especially if it is a profitable one. Botters may just hasten that process a little bit. All in all I feel no remorse for playing a game that I invested $60 into the way i see fit.

I enjoyed reading your response bro, its an interesting topic as it goes beyond just botting.

 

[nutshot]

Nutshot, thats awesome you're grateful for everything you have, as am I. But remember that with out you blizzard doesn't make any money either. If their aren't a fresh stream of items that come to market then there is no tax that blizzard gets. Remember, the early bird gets the worm.

Lol! its all fun and games until Hitler gets thrown into the conversation.... But in all seriousness each person has their own moral compass. Im an Entrepreneur by trade and most open markets that dont have a limited supply will eventually become over saturated with competition and or product. Especially if it is a profitable one. Botters may just hasten that process a little bit. All in all I feel no remorse for playing a game that I invested $60 into the way i see fit.

I enjoyed reading your response bro, its an interesting topic as it goes beyond just botting.

I could derail this, and get into the moral and life aspect of this conversation, but i'd rather not spend hours talking about something as consuming yet controversial as morals and the such. I tried documenting some of my ideals in youtube, but didn't really get too many people who cared to watch it, and seemingly by the majority of the few who did, it stirred up some negativity, thus it would also seem to be not a great use of my time as I can just spend it relaxing. [on the other hand, i made a video of why I pee in the shower, and that has over 1000 times more views than me talking about my morals and beliefs. XD the vid where I talk about a subject through my point of view only has 200 views or less, I don't really know the exact number since I don't really check my youtube channels/accounts anymore, and the video of me illustrating and explaining why I pee in the shower has 20,000 views or more Which leaves me to believe that people would much rather be entertained than enlightened.]

so with that, I guess we've pretty much given out the main points of our views on the subject. With that being said, there isn't really much more go to, so I'll leave it with "to each their own" and good luck with your ventures.