Understanding the changes? .293/.294

[BigB02z28]

Changelog .294

API Changes
- Added an overload for InventoryManager->SellItem(int itemId)


Changelog .293

Now makes sure the inventory window is open and the stash window is closed when identifying items.
Waits randomly between each item sold when selling items.
Now opens the waypoint dialog when using waypoints.
API Changes
- InventoryManager SellItem now takes an ACD instead of the itemId.
- InventoryManager CanSellItem added.

Can someone elaborate on the API changes?

From what I am understanding, the main changes are opening the screens (WP screen, Inventory, etc) before using such things.

But, if this isnt/wasn't how blizzard was flagging/detecting us, it's still as risky as the day DB decided to take down auth servers?

Can someone explain the API Changes? Maybe this is a much bigger thing.

I lost 7 accounts, and have 5 ready to go. Currently just botting 1 account until I understand the API Changes. Because just opening the screens, I'm not sure if that's how so many people were flagged/detected...

 

[adessis]

Basicly what dev's said was:
We are comparing the packages D3 sends to the server when normal play and made sure the packages it sends with demonbuddy on are exactly the same.

You will not get a more specific answer to this question because DB dev's cannot tell you without compromising the safety of their bot, because they have to keep blizzard in the dark as well.

 

[ezpwnd]

I'm not a programmer but I'll try to explain.

.293
InventoryManager SellItem now takes an ACD instead of the itemId.
Usually this method SellItem() was called with the itemId, so as an input it was told which item to sell by itemId. Now this has changed and it will no longer take itemId as Input but ACD variable of the item. Can't really tell you the difference between ACD and itemId though.

InventoryManager CanSellItem added.
Probably just checks if the item can be sold and will return either true or false.

.294
Added an overload for InventoryManager->SellItem(int itemId)
Means that from now on the SellItem method can be called with both itemId and ACDItem.

I can't really tell you why this would reduce the chance of being banned, you will have to wait for someone with some knowledge.

 

[JimJohnsonBanMe4life]

Changelog .294

API Changes
- Added an overload for InventoryManager->SellItem(int itemId)


Changelog .293

Now makes sure the inventory window is open and the stash window is closed when identifying items.
Waits randomly between each item sold when selling items.
Now opens the waypoint dialog when using waypoints.
API Changes
- InventoryManager SellItem now takes an ACD instead of the itemId.
- InventoryManager CanSellItem added.

Can someone elaborate on the API changes?

From what I am understanding, the main changes are opening the screens (WP screen, Inventory, etc) before using such things.

But, if this isnt/wasn't how blizzard was flagging/detecting us, it's still as risky as the day DB decided to take down auth servers?

Can someone explain the API Changes? Maybe this is a much bigger thing.

I lost 7 accounts, and have 5 ready to go. Currently just botting 1 account until I understand the API Changes. Because just opening the screens, I'm not sure if that's how so many people were flagged/detected...

If you are scared about getting bans, botting is not for you. EVERYONE hates to get banned. Learn to deal with it or move on.

Now as for the screen open.

Can you as a person ID an item while your inventory was closed? Could you sell with your inventory closed? Small things like that very well could be returned to blizzard. Window status is simple easy thing to ignore. Does not mean they do not check it.

IS this 100% the way we got flagged? We won't know until we eliminate it from a LONG LONG list of possible options.

 

[StrangerThanFiction]

Well its a server side detection.. Server can only read the packets and collect what it receives.. Id DB ensures that the information going out when loaded is the same as when playing by hand that makes it that much more difficult for Blizzard to detect you.... They still have there flagging system however that works who knows...

DB dev's are confident blizzard picked up on these missing requests and yet still had the activity.. This pretty much tells Blizzard hey I am doing things I shouldn't be able to... Maybe it was a network glitch maybe not but when it happens every time for hours on end. At least that is the assumption.

There are other little things outside the notes that I have noticed since I monitored the bots a 100% for 3-4 hours but will not discuss because the dev's didn't....

Window status is simple easy thing to ignore. Does not mean they do not check it.

This would be a client side detection, cant get those kind of things on the server unless the client polls the information and sends it in a packet.... Also these things can be seen if you run things like wireshark...



But you all are right maybe that wasn't the fix so keep the market competition low and stay offline until you feel comfortable.

 

[BigB02z28]

It's not that I'm "scared of being banned", its that from a business standpoint, you need to evaluate these things.

DB Doesn't know for sure what the detection was, I can't fault them for that, so I need to evaluate the things that have changed to see if it satisfies my personal needs.

I'm sure people with 50+ bots aren't like "Omg! An update! Fire up all bots!" No, they're evaluating whats been changed, maybe they are doing a test run with 10-15 bots versus 50+. I myself am doing this on a smaller scale, and I'm just curious what these API Changes meant. Hell, I Don't even know what API means.

This "If you're scared of bans don't bot" reply to 90% of these threads are stupid.

I'm self employed. I am scared of going belly up. Does that mean I should sell my business and go work for Joe blow? No. I just evaluate my decisions and try to make the choices where pros outweigh cons. Same thing here. It's stupid for me to dump 1k into more bots w/o even understanding changes.

 

[Master_Cirroji]

I'm self employed. I am scared of going belly up. Does that mean I should sell my business and go work for Joe blow?

yes. without the big balls you will sit and wait, miss profit and never really latch onto the market unless your uber lucky, and if you were, you wouldn't be asking these questions

 

[BigB02z28]

Does it take balls? Yes, but you are definitely evaluating your options first. You aren't just going blindly and making the riskiest decisions.

 

[Master_Cirroji]

Does it take balls? Yes, but you are definitely evaluating your options first. You aren't just going blindly and making the riskiest decisions.

meh most business decisions are irrational and sometimes idiotic to the extent you'd think someone had a tumor




papa johns = man making pizza in his house

bill gates = sold software to IBM he didn't even have yet

some of the best business decisions ever were made with haste and ignorance

 

[BigB02z28]

meh most business decisions are irrational and sometimes idiotic to the extent you'd think someone had a tumor

Maybe to you or I, but if that business has a good track record, I guarantee that Owner/CEO believes at that point in time that it's 100% the best decision for his company.

I'm not sure how long you've been self employed, but I have been for 2 years, My grandfather for 60years, and my mother/father in-law for 29 years (5 in a second company (This 1 is a franchise though)). Some ideas may be spur of the moment, but they're definitely not executed just as quickly.

 

[blista08]

It's not that I'm "scared of being banned", its that from a business standpoint, you need to evaluate these things.

DB Doesn't know for sure what the detection was, I can't fault them for that, so I need to evaluate the things that have changed to see if it satisfies my personal needs.

I'm sure people with 50+ bots aren't like "Omg! An update! Fire up all bots!" No, they're evaluating whats been changed, maybe they are doing a test run with 10-15 bots versus 50+. I myself am doing this on a smaller scale, and I'm just curious what these API Changes meant. Hell, I Don't even know what API means.

This "If you're scared of bans don't bot" reply to 90% of these threads are stupid.

I'm self employed. I am scared of going belly up. Does that mean I should sell my business and go work for Joe blow? No. I just evaluate my decisions and try to make the choices where pros outweigh cons. Same thing here. It's stupid for me to dump 1k into more bots w/o even understanding changes.

If someone is/was pushing 50+ bot, they would start them up immediately. They understand that bans are a part of botting and that any time lost is money lost. On the low end, each bot should be making 10mil~. If you factor that across 50 bots, that would be $125.00 (at a MINIMUM) they would be losing to "tread the waters".

If this is your logic, you would never be a "CEO". Also, please do not refer to yourself as your own CEO on D3 botting business decisions lol.

 

[demonnbuddy]

Basicly what dev's said was:
We are comparing the packages D3 sends to the server when normal play and made sure the packages it sends with demonbuddy on are exactly the same.

You will not get a more specific answer to this question because DB dev's cannot tell you without compromising the safety of their bot, because they have to keep blizzard in the dark as well.

BLZ is keeping Bossland in dark. i dont think a bot program like DB ever had any thing to hide from BLZ.

 

[StrangerThanFiction]

Looks as for your fears of bans and losses... All businesses no matter what you go into have periods of losses and gains.. When things are up if you do not make informed decisions to save for a rainy day i.e. back to back ban waves.. Than you shouldn't be in business to begin with....

I started all my bots and back up soon as the release came out.. Why? cause when profits were up I put money aside.. Technically ban wave has done nothing more than hinder my Rainy Day Fund and stop me from making profits while the bot was down.. All and all another ban wave could hit tomorrow and it would still have minimal impact as I transfer items and gold to my mules daily.... Most of the items and gold on my mules are still selling as fast as they can... Just not replenishing as fast while i am down...

 

[BigB02z28]

If someone is/was pushing 50+ bot, they would start them up immediately. They understand that bans are a part of botting and that any time lost is money lost. On the low end, each bot should be making 10mil~. If you factor that across 50 bots, that would be $125.00 (at a MINIMUM) they would be losing to "tread the waters".

If this is your logic, you would never be a "CEO". Also, please do not refer to yourself as your own CEO on D3 botting business decisions lol.

If you assumed that I consider my 7 puny bots my business, then you're mistaken.

I started botting to help with paragon leveling, but it soon became apparent that it was so profitable, that I began to expand. Hard to pass up $1000-1200 a month while you're doing other things.

 

[blista08]

If you assumed that I consider my 7 puny bots my business, then you're mistaken.

I started botting to help with paragon leveling, but it soon became apparent that it was so profitable, that I began to expand. Hard to pass up $1000-1200 a month while you're doing other things.

You're the one that continues to reference botting as your business investment. Maybe you should stop assuming that it is "your business" instead of telling me to lol.

 

[Tony]

read forums before opening a thread

its already covered


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