To the db devs working on db now.

[blista08]

did you bot in last 2 weeks ?

i bet you did not

2 of my account went unbanned and I'm in the same boat as happysticks. Just waiting for DB to get off the tripwire so I can start my newest accounts back up.

 

[lnxelnope]

why alot of botter think blizzard have to protect us.
the most important in this market is "A LEGIT BUYER".

no buyer? and who is gonna buy your gold.
no buyer? and if we can't sell gold where is 27%cutoff come from.

if there is no bot anymore. legit buyer number will increase because of condition of market will be better without botter.
gold price increase item price increase. blizzard still have the same income because they are the owner of this diablo3 world.

so they will make us bot harder and harder.just live with it.
dont think that they want to keep us alive because they want our share.

no way they gonna do that because its a legit buyer who actually driven market not us.
and a legit buyer come from a better gamecondition and content.
dont tell me this game suck already yes i know but why can you still selling gold?

because other people who play this game legit. they dont think this game suck.

so pls stay low don't brag about how many $$$ you can make in 1 week with a shitty game.
dont brag about how blizzard want us to stay alive because they dont.
this forum is in public we already pull to much attention.

 

[Bertrand]

why alot of botter think blizzard have to protect us.
the most important in this market is "A LEGIT BUYER".

no buyer? and who is gonna buy your gold.
no buyer? and if we can't sell gold where is 27%cutoff come from.

if there is no bot anymore. legit buyer number will increase because of condition of market will be better without botter.
gold price increase item price increase. blizzard still have the same income because they are the owner of this diablo3 world.

so they will make us bot harder and harder.just live with it.
dont think that they want to keep us alive because they want our share.

no way they gonna do that because its a legit buyer who actually driven market not us.
and a legit buyer come from a better gamecondition and content.
dont tell me this game suck already yes i know but why can you still selling gold?

because other people who play this game legit. they dont think this game suck.

so pls stay low don't brag about how many $$$ you can make in 1 week with a shitty game.
dont brag about how blizzard want us to stay alive because they dont.
this forum is in public we already pull to much attention.

Although there is some merit in your reasoning, you are missing couple of key points here. Sure, buyers are the driving force of any economy/market but suppliers are too. What do you think, if there were no botters how many transaction per day would blizzard have ? I can bet you all the gear would been at least x5 more expensive that what it is now if not x10. Although Diablo 3 economy can sustain itself without botters, it would yield far less income to blizzard if it was legit players only...

 

[jjpro]

ya blizz taking $1 cut in item sales means the more items sold regardless of price = more profit. I don't know the ratio of profit they take from gold sales vs item sales but I'm assuming having more high quality items at lower prices is more profitable then low volumes of high quality items at higher prices.

 

[Rabin]

I am pretty sure that Blizz don't have the time/manpower/recourse to fight bots forever.. Now, this might sound strange to you.. After all Blizzard is owned by a multinational conglomerate and has millions of dollars of disposable income that they can use to fight bots, right? WRONG! Think about it, the way Blizz has changed over the years; the way they managed Diablo 3 to get it to it's current state. It's all been driven by capitalism in it's purest form. They want to make large profits, that's all they are concerned about.
While major cheating and hacking (like duping and copying items and possibly other forms of which we know squat about; maybe even RMAH interference which is directly linked to bank/credit card fraud) are occupying their time, bots should not be such a big deal to them.
Botters are actually buying their game over and over again. Botters are PLAYING their game (even tho automatically) and they benefit from that- selling botted items on the RMAH generates profit for them. Botters are buying stuff for gold of the AH to equip new bots, which more or less keeps the gold economy alive.
Of course they will issue ban waves every now and than, just like politicians do, they will go out and say- look, we just did this and that, so that the common players won't loose their trust. But to them bots are actually more profitable than the common non-botting individuals. This game, as many other games in the past, will evolve to a certain state where bots will be common and a huge percentage of the players will use them. It's logically the most profitable way to manage a game nowadays. There are also many examples of games where this happened, even tho they did not offer RMAH. Think about Lineage 2, Diablo 2. D3 will, in my opinion, be another example. So keep your heads up and welcome a better botting day. im off.

You could argue the point that botters buy the game and sell stuff but in realty botters lead to a lot less profit on Diablo 3 than a no botting community. Simply because bots flood markets. Supply is higher than demand. This affects the RMAH prices of gold and items which in the long term leads to a crap ton less profit for Diablo 3. If you try arguing the point that buying a $60 game makes them more money than the rmah I simply have to say you are wrong. Simply put I sold in thousands of dallars in just 2 months of playing diablo 3 which made Blizzard about $500 off me in two months. Which is more than I would have spent on this game In a whole year even if they had charged a monthly subscription fee. Simply put they could make Diablo 3 free to play tomorrow and they would probably be making more overall money a month off the game than they are now. The reason they don't is because it would only encourage us botters to unmanageble levels that would flood the market even more so than it already is.

 

[lnxelnope]

ok let see how this work

pretend that i'm a legit player who want to buy some item from AH to improve my character .
if blizz dont do anything about bot

3 facta item price of 200 str 8 crit 40 critdmg 6 attackspeed amulet can be found at 5-10 mill.

but if there are less bot

item above would be like 20-30 mill

due a increasing number of legit player who heard about how hard they fight against botter. and less supply make a price go up
when more customer come less supply to sell. the equilibrium point is shift higher buy price goup and quantity godown

but dont forget all of good item above (with out bot) is a luxury goods. the price can go up limitless with a little bit of change.
but when the bot come to farmming 24/7 the luxury godd become common goods. its become Perfectly Competition market. you can find alot of post luxury good as a common item this day
dont u feel it? only few godly item sell for 100mil above

u mean 1$ from 3$ item? what if this 3$ sell at 10$ they gain more
1$ is just another trick to gain more income to them but the real income from their AH is 15% cut.
think about when all the price go up like the good old day that we can sell something like 100$ so easily.
that worth alot more than 1$ per piece
and what about 27.75% they cut from gold selling? that alot more they can get

we all know that nowaday item is very hard to sell u have to cut and cut and cut again to sell something in a AH market
we know that. and blizzard dont? they sure know about it. that why they have to get rid of us big time.
and silently reduce drop rate to fix the crashing market and a dying game

all money is running around in the same world. less drop then price went up and 27.75%cut still the same
because buyer is where the money come from not botter (well may be our high amount of diablo3 key puschase rate can count too. but now i talk about AH)
ban us is the best way to do
they can brag about how hard they push us to gain more legit customer more legit customer = more money inject in to the game.
and yes more ban more account sell.
and yesss more ban is bring legit account sell too. and its not just account they buy they actually put some money in it too.
legit account is worth 3 times more than bot account. imo

 

[Harmacintyre]

ok let see how this work

pretend that i'm a legit player who want to buy some item from AH to improve my character .
if blizz dont do anything about bot

3 facta item price of 200 str 8 crit 40 critdmg 6 attackspeed amulet can be found at 5-10 mill.

but if there are less bot

item above would be like 20-30 mill

due a increasing number of legit player who heard about how hard they fight against botter. and less supply make a price go up
when more customer come less supply to sell. the equilibrium point is shift higher buy price goup and quantity godown

but dont forget all of good item above (with out bot) is a luxury goods. the price can go up limitless with a little bit of change.
but when the bot come to farmming 24/7 the luxury godd become common goods. its become Perfectly Competition market. you can find alot of post luxury good as a common item this day
dont u feel it? only few godly item sell for 100mil above

u mean 1$ from 3$ item? what if this 3$ sell at 10$ they gain more
1$ is just another trick to gain more income to them but the real income from their AH is 15% cut.
think about when all the price go up like the good old day that we can sell something like 100$ so easily.
that worth alot more than 1$ per piece
and what about 27.75% they cut from gold selling? that alot more they can get

we all know that nowaday item is very hard to sell u have to cut and cut and cut again to sell something in a AH market
we know that. and blizzard dont? they sure know about it. that why they have to get rid of us big time.
and silently reduce drop rate to fix the crashing market and a dying game

all money is running around in the same world. less drop then price went up and 27.75%cut still the same
because buyer is where the money come from not botter (well may be our high amount of diablo3 key puschase rate can count too. but now i talk about AH)
ban us is the best way to do
they can brag about how hard they push us to gain more legit customer more legit customer = more money inject in to the game.
and yes more ban more account sell.
and yesss more ban is bring legit account sell too. and its not just account they buy they actually put some money in it too.
legit account is worth 3 times more than bot account. imo

Loooooooooooooooooooool. I tried reading this, made it about halfway, but i keep picturing in my mind some tiny foreign folk speaking in a hilarious accent. Your English is atrocious and your arguments are flawed. Do you know how people make money in the real world. Micro-transactions. Sure if you can be a huge corporate company and do multi million dollar trades and deals, then those are going to profit more. But in the Diablo 3 economy, there is no such thing as corporate companies. All there is is small business deals that run the economy. The amount of trades that are going for 250$ is basically non existent at this point. Nearly everything is deflated in prices. Now i know what your thinking, but killing all of the botters does not increase the prices significantly. This is because in softcore, nothing ever gets deleted. There is always going to be a sufficient supply for people to get things cheap. They have no real working gold sink so gold will always stay at low USD/M. Based on this, they will have to make their money off the micro transactions of the gold selling and the 15% from the RMAH item trades. You said above that the only thing they protect is a Legit Buyer. Not only have botters been banned in this last wave, but people have also. They are not protecting anyone but themselves. What they are trying to do is increase the sales revenue of the Diablo 3 game itself because there is no subscription to this game. They want more people to buy Diablo 3 which is why they ban so many botters. They always want more.

 

[lnxelnope]

that's ok. and yes you are right im not english speaker. but as i read yours i assume that you understand me abit.

but i do know how to make money. i have apartment for rent and house for sell. and i do it in my language if you curious.
this is just my hobby anyway because let's bot to play a game see the result and get some extra cash is fun.
i do respect your opinion
but market is market size doesn't matter

all i want is just to let the dev of db know that we have to stay more low. and putin some more safety. because blizzard doesn't care about us if we got wipping out i usebot since virtual steriod till its gone and move to hellbuddy and now buddy bot.
there is so many way to detect bot. they do know who use bot. and they sure can wipe us out of business.

now what we got
public version of bot.
public forums
public profile
public everything

even my friend who strongly against bot have them on his computer just to see how its look like
use google to find "diablo 3 bot" and this forum is on the third places.

cant we go underground and invite people in or something like that?

 

[Dialup]

cant we go underground and invite people in or something like that?

DB devs are selling their software and being in the top of search results is good for business. Why would they even want to hide? Guys are running a legitimate company and Blizzard already knows who they are.

 

[solokazama]

Blizzard just beed to add gold and item sink. Problem solved for x months. Market need NPC that will eat tons of crap items (and gold) for some random results. Then cheapest firewalkers would be not 50k but 500k. It would make all prices go up significally.

And I was saying it before few times - yes I hope Bossland would re-think again about close profiles/plugins sections for DB key users only. Public everything is very bad idea, especially when since last months we had tons of newkids 1/1 banned with kraked DB (they just grabbed free DB, free plugins, free profiles and made shitload of fuss on different game forums).

 

[solokazama]

DB devs are selling their software and being in the top of search results is good for business. Why would they even want to hide? Guys are running a legitimate company and Blizzard already knows who they are.

No one is saying to hide everything. Hide plugins/profiles is way to go! Or we will see another wave of freeloaders that spam every forum how cool they are because they have free bot (and then free plugin, free profiles from DB community) and earned 5$.

 

[CodenameG]

DB devs are selling their software and being in the top of search results is good for business. Why would they even want to hide? Guys are running a legitimate company and Blizzard already knows who they are.

^^This.
we have nothing to hide and everything we know, we have told you.

as far as closing the forums (if you want to get into it again) we're not going to as not only do we not have anything to hide, but it would lower sales, and it wouldn't stop blizzard from getting in if they wanted to. (a key is $25) you really think they wouldn't be able to afford it?

anyway, this thread has gone on for 30 posts, i think it can be closed and everything that needed to be said has been said, if you guys wanna talk about theories and stuff further then please use this thread.
http://www.thebuddyforum.com/demonb...ban-reports/59443-ban-theories-ban-waves.html

thanks.