To the db devs working on db now.

[Bertrand]

Guys we just need two things:

-Be honest about the mistake and the way blizzard detected db no matter how bad the fuckup was. Nobody is mad at what happened, coz every experienced botter knew he was going to be banned sooner or later, but not before we made a shit ton of money.

-Take as much time as you need in order to ensure we can bot "safely" again, and by safely i mean we can break at least two weeks+. The worst thing that can happen here is another sweep in a week from release (or maybe even sooner). If that happens...

-peace out, and we love you guys

 

[zippysticks]

Don't forget to improve tripwire to actually kill the attached diablo window and DB window, not just log you out from auth servers and let it still running idling.

I used a different bot in the past before, and this is how their tripwire works:

If it detects something funny, or the server manually turned on tripwire, send a kill command to all bot users.

Then if kill command is received:

-kill attached diablo window
-kill currently running bot
-write a log file of what happened and reason.

That way, there isn't any trace of it running at all or is attached to anything. I think this way is a lot better.

 

[ad3ddd]

I am pretty sure that Blizz don't have the time/manpower/recourse to fight bots forever.. Now, this might sound strange to you.. After all Blizzard is owned by a multinational conglomerate and has millions of dollars of disposable income that they can use to fight bots, right? WRONG! Think about it, the way Blizz has changed over the years; the way they managed Diablo 3 to get it to it's current state. It's all been driven by capitalism in it's purest form. They want to make large profits, that's all they are concerned about.
While major cheating and hacking (like duping and copying items and possibly other forms of which we know squat about; maybe even RMAH interference which is directly linked to bank/credit card fraud) are occupying their time, bots should not be such a big deal to them.
Botters are actually buying their game over and over again. Botters are PLAYING their game (even tho automatically) and they benefit from that- selling botted items on the RMAH generates profit for them. Botters are buying stuff for gold of the AH to equip new bots, which more or less keeps the gold economy alive.
Of course they will issue ban waves every now and than, just like politicians do, they will go out and say- look, we just did this and that, so that the common players won't loose their trust. But to them bots are actually more profitable than the common non-botting individuals. This game, as many other games in the past, will evolve to a certain state where bots will be common and a huge percentage of the players will use them. It's logically the most profitable way to manage a game nowadays. There are also many examples of games where this happened, even tho they did not offer RMAH. Think about Lineage 2, Diablo 2. D3 will, in my opinion, be another example. So keep your heads up and welcome a better botting day. im off.

 

[blista08]

Guys we just need two things:

-Be honest about the mistake and the way blizzard detected db no matter how bad the fuckup was. Nobody is mad at what happened, coz every experienced botter knew he was going to be banned sooner or later, but not before we made a shit ton of money.

-Take as much time as you need in order to ensure we can bot "safely" again, and by safely i mean we can break at least two weeks+. The worst thing that can happen here is another sweep in a week from release (or maybe even sooner). If that happens...

-peace out, and we love you guys

lol, you obviously haven't been with these guys very long. When it's a software detection they're very quick to post about it (they've never been dishonest). The reason they're investigating is because for the amount of people banned, it would typically be a software detection. The software detection side of he house is also typically unique to a certain piece of "software" (aka "bot"). This banwave, however, has spread across every single bot out there and ever single make of life from bots, hackers, and people that caught using the wrong 3rd party software (some reportedly banned for using loot alert).

If the ban wave was due to software detection, nobody on this forum would have their original account left, plain and simple.

 

[blista08]

I am pretty sure that Blizz don't have the time/manpower/recourse to fight bots forever...

I stopped on this line. You do realize Blizzard has been fighting bots for almost 17 years now, right?

 

[ad3ddd]

I stopped on this line. You do realize Blizzard has been fighting bots for almost 17 years now, right?

You are very wrong; fighting bots is one thing they don't do. They merely expose and sometimes punish bots, just because they have calculated this kind of action against bot users will ensure larger profits. This is very, very different from FIGHTING bots. They secretly tolerate bots up to a certain point. I believe this is where we could come in and exploit their tolerance. That's all i am saying. Actually, if you disagree with that and think such a huge company does everything in it's power to cut you down, i don't see why you'd ever bot To me, it's very much like corruption- you "bribe" them with the money to enable your bots to farm and they respond by not disabling you most of the time. Sometimes, however, they will man up and do as they have promised their customers. You just need to wait it out and continue doing what you've been doing. Capitalism. No further comment.

 

[blista08]

You are very wrong; fighting bots is one thing they don't do. They merely expose and sometimes punish bots, just because they have calculated this kind of action against bot users will ensure larger profits. This is very, very different from FIGHTING bots. They secretly tolerate bots up to a certain point. I believe this is where we could come in and exploit their tolerance. That's all i am saying. Actually, if you disagree with that and think such a huge company does everything in it's power to cut you down, i don't see why you'd ever bot

Lol... Regardless of your tinfoilistic view of the Blizzard conspiracy theory and their potential agenda aside, fighting bots does not mean they're banning everyone and their mother blindly.

I guess you're the subject matter expert though. I'm sure Blizzard would never waste buckets of money taking various bot producers to court (Wow Glider, Blizzkreig, and [SPOILER ALERT] Bossland GmbH DB/HB/GB). You're right, I'm sure that Blizzard doesn't make nearly enough profits to combat bots or the companies that produce the software. I guess they have a tolerance for it. After all, they make so much money when they shut down the people that actually develop the bots.

 

[ad3ddd]

Yeah, it's a matter of making more money. Simple as that. This is why I bot and intend to keep doing it

 

[Bertrand]

And yet i am convinced that if db doesn't get patched properly, we will be looking at another banwave a week from its release.

 

[Gentoo]

I stopped on this line. You do realize Blizzard has been fighting bots for almost 17 years now, right?

Why do people say this.. You know damned well you read the whole fucking post. And what's with everyone nowadays putting "right?" after every fucking sentence.

 

[happysticks]

You guys are cute to think this is anything more than them banning multiple groups of flagged accounts instead of just one group of flagged accounts as they usually do. End of quarter revenue booster, nothing else.

 

[blista08]

Why do people say this.. You know damned well you read the whole fucking post. And what's with everyone nowadays putting "right?" after every fucking sentence.

Nope. Did not read past that line. When the first sentence sounds like garbage, it is not worth reading the rest of the paragraph. What's with you starting your sentences off with "And"? You understand where I'm coming from, right? (sign of affirmation)

 

[Bertrand]

You guys are cute to think this is anything more than them banning multiple groups of flagged accounts instead of just one group of flagged accounts as they usually do. End of quarter revenue booster, nothing else.

This actually makes ridiculously amount of sense to me... But banning 99.999% of the botters, blizzard must be angry

 

[blista08]

This actually makes ridiculously amount of sense to me... But banning 99.999% of the botters, blizzard must be angry

Long overdue bans. I imagine a guy on the server support team that has the sole responsibility of rebooting the server that hosts the automated banning service. Every week for the past 6 months the only job he needed to do was reboot that server and make sure the service was running so they could keep up on the monthly revenues. One day his buddy Jack calls him and is like "Dude, Jim, didn't you notice that the service has been stopped for like 6 months?". Jim starts the service back up and unknowingly trolls the entire DB community when the huge ban wave goes out .

 

[happysticks]

Not even close to 99%.

I had 5 accounts missed this time. Though surely they are also flagged already as automated behavior is so easy to automatically query logs for and flag accounts. Hopefully Hawker is indeed close to figuring out what the behavior is as they indicated. There has to be tons of things from stashing delay speeds to sell/repair timing to pathing.

 

[Diabloguy69]

yo i have a conspiracy theory better than all yours

Blizzard owns demonbuddy.

 

[Bertrand]

Not even close to 99%.

I had 5 accounts missed this time. Though surely they are also flagged already as automated behavior is so easy to automatically query logs for and flag accounts. Hopefully Hawker is indeed close to figuring out what the behavior is as they indicated. There has to be tons of things from stashing delay speeds to sell/repair timing to pathing.

I dont think they can track ingame behavior, maybe they can track how long we stay in certain area or game, but i doubt they can track movement and identifying... This is why i think that. I remember 3 months ago someone on us forums posted how someone scammed him by making him drop the item on the floor and then picked it up and left the game. The dude described everything, what time it was what area what quest, yet blue responded: I am sorry but there is no way for us to keep track of that sort of activities. Meaning they can't know weather the item was really dropped or maybe salvaged/sold by accident. If they cant track items dropped on ground, there is no way they track movement or ingame activity.
Then again, this was 3 months ago so...

 

[MonsterMMORPG]

Not even close to 99%.

I had 5 accounts missed this time. Though surely they are also flagged already as automated behavior is so easy to automatically query logs for and flag accounts. Hopefully Hawker is indeed close to figuring out what the behavior is as they indicated. There has to be tons of things from stashing delay speeds to sell/repair timing to pathing.

did you bot in last 2 weeks ?

i bet you did not

 

[happysticks]

did you bot in last 2 weeks ?

i bet you did not

3/3 banned back in Sarkoth
4/4 banned Dec12
2/7 banned Dec18
8 accounts ready to go when DB returns.

Botting 24/7 since DB release.

 

[blista08]

Not even close to 99%.

I had 5 accounts missed this time. Though surely they are also flagged already as automated behavior is so easy to automatically query logs for and flag accounts. Hopefully Hawker is indeed close to figuring out what the behavior is as they indicated. There has to be tons of things from stashing delay speeds to sell/repair timing to pathing.

He's exaggerating lol..