A way for developers of popular profiles/etc to be rewarded?

[randomstraw]

They have rules they need to follow if they want it on our forums, but I really don't think our rules are that restrictive.

offer a free working cc, so you can offer a paid advanced one. right? theres a lot of room for interpretation...

example(s)
a CC offers pvp-stuff. all the settings are pre-set, if you want to change something you have to dive into the sourcecode.
the paid version offers you a GUI to change settings on the fly.
[perfect, thats what i think the rule says, exactly.]

a CC offers some DPS rotation. Its for a warrior, doing Mortal Strike & Heroic Strike on Cooldown.
the paid version checks for auras, times, debuffs, basically just does far, far more.
[as of the rule stated, legit. as of i say, go fk yourself, thats 2 ccs.]

a plugin offers the ability to remove dead targets, to priorize pvp targets infight over pve ones.
the paid one does the same, but additionaly has a GUI for changing settings on the fly, has advanced pvp interrupt logic, keeps buffs online, offers a cool remote-view feature, has irc & mail features.
[...]

all of the above is present at the forums, and all is "legit" because the rule is just rather vague / studiously vague

my point of view

 

[soulravager]

offer a free working cc, so you can offer a paid advanced one. right? theres a lot of room for interpretation...

example(s)
a CC offers pvp-stuff. all the settings are pre-set, if you want to change something you have to dive into the sourcecode.
the paid version offers you a GUI to change settings on the fly.
[perfect, thats what i think the rule says, exactly.]

a CC offers some DPS rotation. Its for a warrior, doing Mortal Strike & Heroic Strike on Cooldown.
the paid version checks for auras, times, debuffs, basically just does far, far more.
[as of the rule stated, legit. as of i say, go fk yourself, thats 2 ccs.]

a plugin offers the ability to remove dead targets, to priorize pvp targets infight over pve ones.
the paid one does the same, but additionaly has a GUI for changing settings on the fly, has advanced pvp interrupt logic, keeps buffs online, offers a cool remote-view feature, has irc & mail features.
[...]

all of the above is present at the forums, and all is "legit" because the rule is just rather vague / studiously vague

my point of view

Then pick another routine? there's lots of them

 

[randomstraw]

Then pick another routine? there's lots of them

i've got good routines, thanks. Thats not the point at all. Also, it is not the point that i don't donate or anything else you'll throw at me, its just that the rule is ... well yeah, vage.

next point are closed source releases. if everyone releases his stuff as a closed source (which will soon be, if paying for CCs goes on like this) the community itself will die, there will only be sellers and buyers. nothing else. some time ago i found some stuff in a closed source dll, and i had to hack into it to get the function i searched. took me 2 days :C closed source releases are killing. also, i'm afraid of using closed source stuff. can be anything. can be harmless on release, and can hijack your stuff on an update. very, very critical point imo.

 

[Arrhhhhh]

Sucks to be poor. Gotta moan on forums all day every time something costs money.

 

[Dark57]

Pays a one time fee for a life time subscription to HB.
Uses the bot that has no reoccurring fees.
Uses the bot that allows the use to make their own plugins, CR's, profiles and bot bases.
Uses the bot that has a Wiki on how to do all of these things.
Bitches because they can't be assed to learn how to do it themselves and want other people to do it for them for free.

Solid logic bro.

However, now people aren't going to release their code a lot of the time due to the new rules that also state that ANYONE can take ANYONE ELSE'S work and use it as long as they credit the original author. Without permission I might add. So if I took TuanHA's CR, slapped my name on it, made it do a few things different I could then repost it as mine on the forums.

Incentive to hand out your hard work in coding? Let me break it down in a more understandable way for all you computer coding illiterates.

Go to work for 40 hours a week, make sure you bust your ass at work doing the best possible job you can. You build this report, oh my its a beautiful report. Its full of brand new ideas that are going to get you a promotion. Then your boss takes it, sure you work for him and the report was supposed to be for him to use. To your dismay you find out that he brought your report up to the board, and got a promotion! You finally get a chance to read the report, and it is word for word your report. The only difference is, your name was replaced with his, one or two things may have been added, and your credit for this report is now a foot note on the last page which no one bothers reading.

Also I would like to add that there are TONS of people that say "I would donate to something like this" yet I guarantee you that these guys who make these profiles, plugins and CR's hardly ever see someone clicking that donate button. Why? Because people are cheap, why donate or spend money when I can just get it for free? Someone else will donate, right?

I don't release a lot of my profiles for a few reasons. If you don't like it, why don't you head over to the Wiki and learn how to make your own? Botting didn't use to be a place for novice computer illiterates. You are privileged to be able to bot without knowing shit about programming, how the bot works, and how to fix it yourself. For a bot this easy to use that doesn't have a subscription fee, holy fuck you've been handed everything and you still bitch.

In what communist country do you reside in where its acceptable to work hard and receive no compensation? If you aren't compensated for your work, then you have no incentive to work.

 

[tuanha]

In what communist country do you reside in where its acceptable to work hard and receive no compensation? If you aren't compensated for your work, then you have no incentive to work.

I'm living in Vietnam (seriously I am), a communist country and we are entitled to get many thing for free - free education, free healthcare service... (with under table fee)... well because we are communist... that one of the reason we still a poor and chaos country

 

[randomstraw]

Pays a one time fee for a life time subscription to HB.
Uses the bot that has no reoccurring fees.
Uses the bot that allows the use to make their own plugins, CR's, profiles and bot bases.
Uses the bot that has a Wiki on how to do all of these things.
Bitches because they can't be assed to learn how to do it themselves and want other people to do it for them for free.

Solid logic bro.

However, now people aren't going to release their code a lot of the time due to the new rules that also state that ANYONE can take ANYONE ELSE'S work and use it as long as they credit the original author. Without permission I might add. So if I took TuanHA's CR, slapped my name on it, made it do a few things different I could then repost it as mine on the forums.

Incentive to hand out your hard work in coding? Let me break it down in a more understandable way for all you computer coding illiterates.

Go to work for 40 hours a week, make sure you bust your ass at work doing the best possible job you can. You build this report, oh my its a beautiful report. Its full of brand new ideas that are going to get you a promotion. Then your boss takes it, sure you work for him and the report was supposed to be for him to use. To your dismay you find out that he brought your report up to the board, and got a promotion! You finally get a chance to read the report, and it is word for word your report. The only difference is, your name was replaced with his, one or two things may have been added, and your credit for this report is now a foot note on the last page which no one bothers reading.

Also I would like to add that there are TONS of people that say "I would donate to something like this" yet I guarantee you that these guys who make these profiles, plugins and CR's hardly ever see someone clicking that donate button. Why? Because people are cheap, why donate or spend money when I can just get it for free? Someone else will donate, right?

I don't release a lot of my profiles for a few reasons. If you don't like it, why don't you head over to the Wiki and learn how to make your own? Botting didn't use to be a place for novice computer illiterates. You are privileged to be able to bot without knowing shit about programming, how the bot works, and how to fix it yourself. For a bot this easy to use that doesn't have a subscription fee, holy fuck you've been handed everything and you still bitch.

In what communist country do you reside in where its acceptable to work hard and receive no compensation? If you aren't compensated for your work, then you have no incentive to work.

the actual point is, that you do it without being asked for, without an order.

 

[shamash]

If you guys happen to come across a very very crippled CR/Profile just to make you buy the full version, please let us know. We don't mind people charging a little bit for some extra features, etc, but we do *not* want people to basically be handing out a half-assed "demo" version and forcing you to buy the full one.

I realize some of you absolutely refuse to pay any more for CRs/Profiles/Plugins, however, the people who develop these things for you should be allowed to make a little bit of money off their hard work. Some people do it for money, others do it for fun. (I don't actually get paid to develop CRs/plugins/etc, so anything I happen to release is just in my spare time, completely for free)

Some of you will rage about that, but it's a simple fact of life. The average user who's just botting to do dailies, grind some PVP gear, and things like that, probably won't buy anything beyond the initial HB license. However, people who are using the bot to make actual money (RMT) are quite likely to spend a little extra money if it's really worth it. (No offense to anybody who's selling stuff, but I still haven't quite found anything worth buying yet)

All in all, it's the developer's choice. They have rules they need to follow if they want it on our forums, but I really don't think our rules are that restrictive.

I guess I just disagree, and disagree with what the average botter does. I think the average botter also uses things like LazyRaider/Raidbot to run rotations for them. This is something that someone here to make real money probably doesn't do.

Someone here to make money can just run the free gathering profiles all day, and the free shuffling profiles. The profiles that are for sale that I've seen are all ones that the casual botters would want more.

I'll admit, I'm considering paying for TuanHA's Monk bot. There doesn't seem to be another that will tank nicely in LFR. The free version is apparently broken, but from the tables it isn't great for raiding. The main reason I haven't is because I think $15 for TuanHA's profiles is a fine price, he always made a bunch of great ones, but $15 for just one of them seems a bit silly.

Another one I considered buying was the 1-600 herbalism "pick what you want" bot. Again, 12 euros for just one profile seems a bit over the top. Maybe if it also trained inscription or alchemy while it did the herbalism.

I dunno. I guess I just don't like searching around to find the profile I like on these forums, and see that I have to pay large prices for them, when I thought these forums were supposed to be free. Even the OwnedCore bot rotation forums don't allow people to sell or trade things. Although they do have a marketplace.

 

[Dark57]

I'm living in Vietnam (seriously I am), a communist country and we are entitled to get many thing for free - free education, free healthcare service... (with under table fee)... well because we are communist... that one of the reason we still a poor and chaos country

Lol, well talk about f*** me sideways. Good to see some Capitalist views are floating around in there.

the actual point is, that you do it without being asked for, without an order.

I have no idea if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me, however the point comes down to human nature. There are people who are releasing profiles, CR's and plugins for fun. These people choose to work for different reasons than others, if you don't agree with the other reasons then don't support them. Don't whine on the forums consistently about it. If you make it so they can't sell their work here, they will find other ways to sell it and stop releasing free versions here. You can't stop the Capitalist beast, and the excuse "I expected everything on the forums to be free" is the weakest argument I've ever heard. You didn't check out the forums before buying the bot, that's not anyone's fault but your own. Your poor research is not a warrant for you to change a community's rules just because you bought the wrong software, and trying to change them in a way where authors cannot release their work for reward is only going to hurt the community even more.

 

[AknA]

First of all, this thread is just stupid.
So what, some ppl want to get paid for the work they have done.
Guess what, if they didn't, maybe they wouldn't have made the plugin/profile/cc/whatever.
And then you wouldn't have had the benefit of trying the free version.
Stop fucking complaining that some developers want to get paid for spending hours upon hours to develop something that you can enjoy.
If you don't like it, don't use it, pretend they don't exist, stop fucking complaining.

 

[shamash]

Lol, well talk about f*** me sideways. Good to see some Capitalist views are floating around in there.



I have no idea if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me, however the point comes down to human nature. There are people who are releasing profiles, CR's and plugins for fun. These people choose to work for different reasons than others, if you don't agree with the other reasons then don't support them. Don't whine on the forums consistently about it. If you make it so they can't sell their work here, they will find other ways to sell it and stop releasing free versions here. You can't stop the Capitalist beast, and the excuse "I expected everything on the forums to be free" is the weakest argument I've ever heard. You didn't check out the forums before buying the bot, that's not anyone's fault but your own. Your poor research is not a warrant for you to change a community's rules just because you bought the wrong software, and trying to change them in a way where authors cannot release their work for reward is only going to hurt the community even more.

Actually, everything on these forums USED to be free. They weren't allowed to post paid things before.

 

[shamash]

I think devs have every right to sell their stuff, as I've said so before. I just don't think these forums is the right place to sell them.

I'll most likely eventually buy the TuanHA monk. I'm not against supporting devs, I'm not against spending money. I do think $15 for one CC is a bit pricy, but hey, I do understand he put a lot of work into it.

I just, again, don't think this is the right place.

 

[kuw84]

Yeah sure devs should get paid for their work but I still prefer how it was before where free things weren't gimped. I've basically decided not to level a pally or monk cause the best profiles are paid, and just focus on other classes for now.

 

[AknA]

Yeah sure devs should get paid for their work but I still prefer how it was before where free things weren't gimped. I've basically decided not to level a pally or monk cause the best profiles are paid, and just focus on other classes for now.

You're wrong, the free stuff isn't gimped, the one you pay for is more developed, that's the difference, on the payed one the developer has put down ALOT more time on and for that he wants to get paid.

 

[kuw84]

You're wrong, the free stuff isn't gimped, the one you pay for is more developed, that's the difference, on the payed one the developer has put down ALOT more time on and for that he wants to get paid.

I understand. But good luck with explaining most HB users. If there's a free version and a paid version, people will not be content with the free version

 

[wilbo007]

i've given a few profiles out and sadly they didn't even say thanks, but hey people do things in their own mannor :d

aaadwww doggy

 

[shamash]

I understand. But good luck with explaining most HB users. If there's a free version and a paid version, people will not be content with the free version

That's because in a lot of the routine cases, it's a pretty vast difference between the paid and non-paid product, meaning the "free" version is really just advertising for their paid product, while not really that useful.