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A way for developers of popular profiles/etc to be rewarded?

shamash said:
I'm a spoiled kid expecting things for free? I'm actually a kindergarten/elementary school teacher who has very limited spare money, because I pay over $1000 every month toward my student loans.

I *DID* pay for HonorBuddy, actually. HonorBuddy is the business. Profiles on this forum are NOT supposed to be a business. It is supposed to be a place where you can share what you've made, if you want to.

Keep trolling.
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Honorbuddy is the business, yes. I doubt anyone makes a living on selling profiles, plugins or combat routines, but it's some money.
Those who makes free profiles will continue to make their free profiles.
Those who makes payed profiles will not continue to make their payed profiles, if they aren't allowed to sell them.
Developers put their time in their profiles. I buy private profiles simply because people like you won't use it, which leads to too many users on a good profile.

Do you think the payed profile are just thrown together on 10 minutes with a plugin and then they put a $10 price tag?
I can promise you, most payed things on this forum have many hours of work in them.

If, for one day, every user submitted profile/plugin/routine would disappear, what would happen? This is, once again, community driven. I'm sure there's free profiles with the same nodes per hour, or same dps as other profiles, but if you can't find it - is $40 one time much? Why is it so important to you to have a difference in the custom class? You're to cheap to pay a dev, you're to lazy to raid - one of them has to change?

Honorbuddy does not cost anymore than the price you payed for the license. From start you have access to everything you need, 1-90, 1-600 professions, honor farming, dpsing, gathering. But if you want the better version of anything, then you'll sometimes have to pay for the time someone put in doing it.
 
shamash said:
Although I don't feel the need to talk about what phone I use, I think it's completely different.

When you go to something called an "APP STORE", you should be expecting to pay for apps.

When you go on a forum where people are posting their CCs/profiles and the rule is that you're not allowed to charge for them, you shouldn't be expecting to pay for CCs/profiles.
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My point is that while there are apps that cost money to pay for, there are also free ones and free versions of them. The developer you're pointing this thread against (Tuanha) doesnt charge you for his profile, he has a free profile available that are better than most other free examples on here. And you have the option to go to his website to buy his special edition, there is nothing against the rules about that. Do you think things in real life would be as advanced and well-developed if everybody did everything for free? While I think there should be a Trade-section on the forum I dont have any problems with dev's offering great paid profiles as long as they have cutting edge free-versions available that gets updated frequently.
 
amputations said:
My point is that while there are apps that cost money to pay for, there are also free ones and free versions of them. The developer you're pointing this thread against (Tuanha) doesnt charge you for his profile, he has a free profile available that are better than most other free examples on here. And you have the option to go to his website to buy his special edition, there is nothing against the rules about that. Do you think things in real life would be as advanced and well-developed if everybody did everything for free? While I think there should be a Trade-section on the forum I dont have any problems with dev's offering great paid profiles as long as they have cutting edge free-versions available that gets updated frequently.
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This thread is NOT against TuanHA. I only used him as an example because someone else used him as an example first. I believe this problem is bigger than just one person.
 
But I dont really see the problem? I could understand you if said developer released a free version that only did /attack, but thats against the rules.
 
Because it's a broken excuse for a system.

Some of them are "following the new rules". For example, profession leveling bots. There's a couple that will gather a certain number of each herb/mine. They work for free up to 375 herb/mining, and then the paid version goes up to 600. I don't like this, but hey, it follows the new rules.

Now, I don't think it should be allowed, but it is. I personally am disappointed when I am looking through the forums for something I want to use, find it, and see that it will cost me $15+. But it follows the rules.

However, the CCs are a bigger issue since I don't think they follow the rules. Releasing a CC for free that is good for questing/leveling, and having a paid version to do raiding/pvp is two different CCs. It's advertising the CC I want by posting a CC that I don't want.

I don't think there should be ANYTHING on the forum that costs money except for HB. I think accepting donations is perfectly fine. I think selling your stuff on other forums/your own website is perfectly fine. I just don't think that's what this forum should be, and it makes a negative experience for those of us who paid for HB, and don't want to purchase anything else.
 
But if you really want something you should be ready to pay for it, if you dont want to pay for profiles and CC's there are more than plenty of free ones that work very well.
Most developers here do their work for free, but if you finetune your profile so its 30 000 lines of code advanced I think you're worth given credit where credit is due.

Yeah PQR is great for DPSing&Tanking, I havent tried healing with it though. But there are private profiles that cost $ there as well.
 
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provokedbell said:
just use pqr! its rock ova any cc here
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I've been looking into it.


amputations said:
But if you really want something you should be ready to pay for it, if you dont want to pay for profiles and CC's there are more than plenty of free ones that work very well.
Most developers here do their work for free, but if you finetune your profile so its 30 000 lines of code advanced I think you're worth given credit where credit is due.

Yeah PQR is great for DPSing&Tanking, I havent tried healing with it though. But there are private profiles that cost $ there as well.
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I'm fine with people charging for their work, if you would actually read my posts. I just don't think the official HB forums is the place to do it. The things that are posted here have always been free and donations have been accepted, but this recent trend toward charging for things is hurting the forums, in my opinion.
 
This!
shamash said:
i don't think there should be anything on the forum that costs money except for hb. I think accepting donations is perfectly fine. I think selling your stuff on other forums/your own website is perfectly fine. I just don't think that's what this forum should be, and it makes a negative experience for those of us who paid for hb, and don't want to purchase anything else.
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and this!
shamash said:
i'm fine with people charging for their work, if you would actually read my posts. I just don't think the official hb forums is the place to do it. The things that are posted here have always been free and donations have been accepted, but this recent trend toward charging for things is hurting the forums, in my opinion.
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Thats why I think a trade-section would be nice to have here, that way we can both keep the devs that create cutting edge CCs/profiles for a few bucks and also have the regular section.
 
I think that would be even worse, really. It would encourage the removal of the community sharing-based profile conglomerate we used to have.

(Not that I don't think ideas are good. I'm not just trying to disagree with you and I like ideas more than just bickering and calling people lazy leechers, I just happen to disagree with that idea.)
 
Botting is also a part of RMT business, so that's natural to sell instruments that are part of the business.
People may share their profiles for free and some may want to sell their hard work. No one can be the judge to that.
If you are botting for RMT and can't produce good profiles with automation by yourself, buy them they are worth every penny.
Go further and even order some specialized profiles, they worth it for the business. Believe me been there, done that.

When it comes to CCs. singular is doing a pretty good job for leveling/grinding/bttleground purposes. HB doesn't offer no advertise advanced dps/hps CCs for raiding/RBG/Arena enviroments, some CC creators do.
Thats ok if they ask money for their hard work.
Developing an advanced CC takes a lot of time and effort. Advanced CC's like TuanHa, Vanguard are very detailed. A lot of hobbyists are sharing their work for free, I don't see many people appreciating that.
Rather see people bitch about paid ones. You don't have to buy them, theres nothing more they bring into the board than some advanced logic / extra PvP logic. If you want to use it on endgame raiding/RBGs, just pay the price.
Btw I am a donator of these routines and their free versions aren't crippled, they just lack some advanced logic.

Just my 2 cents.
 
The thing is, if RMT is Real Money Trading, I'm not a RMT user. I'm a casual personal user. And the profiles that cost money aren't for RMT users, they are for personal users. The free ones are great for RMT users, however.
 
I dont think adding an option would ever encourage staff to remove the free community-profiles, and if you havent noticed try read through the threads of tuanha and vanguard-ccs, they are very community-driven and everybody is helping making them better. Without the communitys help not even the paid profiles would be where they are today, and that says something about them since so many people are willing to help to make them even better by donating a few bucks. Heck some people have even gone and donated even more after they already bought it since they are so happy with it. I dont think removing the ability of doing so would make the community here any better really.
 
I can understand where you feel some profiles free versions are very bland and simple compared to the same CCs paid version but from my experience that is not very common. Ive donated to tuanha and he was very kind and helpful. I used his monk CC all the way to 90 with 0 issues, I didnt donate until I was 90 and had interest in the improvement in dps and healing. However I would have still been happy using his free CC if I didnt donate.
 
I think paid CCs are good for the community overall as it increases options and developers usually provide good support so that also clears the forums and user problems.
I do however find it hard to justify charging 40€ for a CC when a game company that spends years and millions developing a PC game charges me the same for it, afterall I just paid about 4€ for GTA:Vice City on my mobile phone, spending 10 times that on a profile just doesn't go with me, but if there's people willing to pay that, I don't see why that would be negative, users are happy and developers get some cash, everyone wins \o/
 
i've installed a free version of a CC some time ago. It worked partially. It stopped here and there, stood infight doing nothing sometimes, et cetera.
i've got a friend, with the same CC, exception: paid version. None of the above applied to the CC. He gave it to me, so i could try it on my own, same machine, same setup - oh wonder, no stops, no stood infight doing nothing, blabla...

so, this CC is actual on the forums. Its active, and declared being updated.

This is what i mean about a gimped CC.
 
If you guys happen to come across a very very crippled CR/Profile just to make you buy the full version, please let us know. We don't mind people charging a little bit for some extra features, etc, but we do *not* want people to basically be handing out a half-assed "demo" version and forcing you to buy the full one.

I realize some of you absolutely refuse to pay any more for CRs/Profiles/Plugins, however, the people who develop these things for you should be allowed to make a little bit of money off their hard work. Some people do it for money, others do it for fun. (I don't actually get paid to develop CRs/plugins/etc, so anything I happen to release is just in my spare time, completely for free)

Some of you will rage about that, but it's a simple fact of life. The average user who's just botting to do dailies, grind some PVP gear, and things like that, probably won't buy anything beyond the initial HB license. However, people who are using the bot to make actual money (RMT) are quite likely to spend a little extra money if it's really worth it. (No offense to anybody who's selling stuff, but I still haven't quite found anything worth buying yet)

All in all, it's the developer's choice. They have rules they need to follow if they want it on our forums, but I really don't think our rules are that restrictive.
 
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