I want to build a computer specifically for botting

[LargeInt]

And I am having trouble figuring out exactly what I will need. I want to be able to run 15+ bots (would love to be able to do 20, but after talking to my step-father, he told me that would risk serious instability unless I build a server), all in VMs, and have them not stutter.

I know that VMs do not protect me exactly, but a combination of that, a *****, variation on classes \ builds, and different plugins \ profiles seems like it should limit the ability to find a link between my accounts, or for all of them to get flagged for the same reason.

So, I know I need 32 gigs of ram for sure (possibly more?), a pretty powerful processor and video card, and likely would benefit from a strong SSD. I am open to liquid-cooling the cpu as well.

Anyone have any ideas on how I should build this, and what I am going to truly NEED to do this. I do not want to scrape by, and risk making the system unstable when I ramp up to the top. I want to build something that will handle this, and have a little breathing room to allow me to edit the individual VMs, load firefox outside of them, or do testing on new VMs without overloading.

I've went through newegg and built out a few on paper that ended up being $1000-$1250, but I do not understand the processing power and hardware well enough to know if I am going about this the right way, or if I am going for overkill (or even underestimating what I need).

 

[FrenchBot]

Post your newegg config and we'll let you know what to change/improve.

 

[LargeInt]

Can't find a way to link my wishlist, even though I made it public, and the public database is only updated to 2 days ago (guess they take 2 days to post?).

Just copy and pasted from the page.


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[bizzy1one]

from my experiences thus far

best cpu you can afford
heatsink
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psu
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im not a pro, but have learned a lot the past 6 weeks or so and thats how i order importance. ssd was optional in my current build but after having it i will never not have 1 again. mine boots windows in 9 sec and loads diablo in under 10 also, and it takes care of a lot of the stuttering from loading the levels in d3.

 

[Tyman3]

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[BillyJoJimBob]

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The AMD Radeon HD 7850 is set up for PCIexpress 3.0, however the Gigabyte board is only on the PCIexpress 2.0 standard. So this won't work. You might look to do either of the following!

1. Get a Radeon HD series graphics device that is at the PCIexpress 2.1 standard and ensure that you do the BIOS upgrade and all necessary driver updates on the card once you get it running...

2. There is a method discussed on Gigabyte forums regarding a jumper setting or quick upgrade to allow the use of a graphics device on the PCIe 3.0 standard..


The only board manufacturer I know of that is coming out with Motherboards that are PCIe 3.0 ready is ASUS...

Looks like you are building a great system. I prefer memory from Crucial.. and their search area for compatibility with your board choice is outstanding. You'd be buying American made DRAM or Synchronous DRAM (SDRAM).... from Micron Technology, Inc...if american made is interesting to you. You can also get your SSD device as well.

The last Thermaltake case I got was more molded plastic than anything.. If you want to find something that looks bad-ass and is made of solid metal.. go with the Cooler Master HAF Mid Tower.. It comes with 3 killer fans and lots of room for more.!

Have fun..

 

[LargeInt]

The AMD Radeon HD 7850 is set up for PCIexpress 3.0, however the Gigabyte board is only on the PCIexpress 2.0 standard. So this won't work. You might look to do either of the following!

1. Get a Radeon HD series graphics device that is at the PCIexpress 2.1 standard and ensure that you do the BIOS upgrade and all necessary driver updates on the card once you get it running...

2. There is a method discussed on Gigabyte forums regarding a jumper setting or quick upgrade to allow the use of a graphics device on the PCIe 3.0 standard..


The only board manufacturer I know of that is coming out with Motherboards that are PCIe 3.0 ready is ASUS...

Looks like you are building a great system. I prefer memory from Crucial.. and their search area for compatibility with your board choice is outstanding. You'd be buying American made DRAM or Synchronous DRAM (SDRAM).... from Micron Technology, Inc...if american made is interesting to you. You can also get your SSD device as well.

The last Thermaltake case I got was more molded plastic than anything.. If you want to find something that looks bad-ass and is made of solid metal.. go with the Cooler Master HAF Mid Tower.. It comes with 3 killer fans and lots of room for more.!

Have fun..

Ok, I'll look into those.

I was actually reading on the PCI 3 on a PCI 2 MB when I was building this. From my understanding, a PCI 3 card will work just fine in a PCI 2 slot. The upgrade from 2 to 3 did not really change much in terms of graphical processing ability, and is more related to increased efficiency and speed when both are PCI 3. A PCI 3 card in a PCI 3 slot will have a faster transfer rate than a PCI 2 slot, but a PCI 3 card in a PCI 2 slot will still be as fast as a PCI 2 card (or faster). Maybe I was given incorrect information and should change it.

 

[derico5]

For 15 bots: Cut the SSD+HD and buy a 256gb crucial = same price. Cut your 1gb Grafix and buy the cheapest 2gb. Cut the 32gb ram, take the lowest 16gb u can find. Its a bot-pc, not a gaming-station. If u want go for more bots, u need a bedder setup.

For 20+ bots: 32gb ram is a must-have. Also go for the cheapest 3gb Grafix u can find. Remember: each d3 needs 600-800mb vRam.

15 Bots: i5 4core k-processor is fine. But u have to overclock it.
20+ Bots: i7 6core is your way. But not possible with 1k$

 

[LargeInt]

For 15 bots: Cut the SSD+HD and buy a 256gb crucial = same price. Cut your 1gb Grafix and buy the cheapest 2gb. Cut the 32gb ram, take the lowest 16gb u can find. Its a bot-pc, not a gaming-station. If u want go for more bots, u need a bedder setup.

For 20+ bots: 32gb ram is a must-have. Also go for the cheapest 3gb Grafix u can find. Remember: each d3 needs 600-800mb vRam.

15 Bots: i5 4core k-processor is fine. But u have to overclock it.
20+ Bots: i7 6core is your way. But not possible with 1k$

Yeah, I have been going back and forth with using a SSD only or using a SSD and a traditional harddrive. I'm not sure either way right now. Having a traditional harddrive for storage of excess things that will be deleted and rewritten often, or constantly changed was my idea there. I was going to use it as the sandbox for VMs before moving to the SSD, so I was not constantly editing them on the SSD and eventually bricking it, or at least slowing it down. The SSD only would be best if I knew for sure that I would have it 100% the first time, but I do not know that.

Also, I have considered putting the host operation system on the non SSD harddrive, and leaving the SSD for the bots only. I am not sure if that would work, but it seems that once they are in the virtual environment, they are drawing 100% off of the operating system within it, or any links I have going to my host machine (which would be on the SSD) and could actually operate faster if the SSD itself wasn't clogged up with the host operating system. I am going to talk to who understands this better than me to explain if I am seeing that correctly, or if I am missing something, but I am still waiting on him to call me back right now.

BTW, why is a low quality 2gb graphics card going to be better than a faster 1gb card? From what I can tell on my current bots, the biggest stopping block is the ram followed by the CPU. Would it not be better to use a 1 GB for speed, rather than a 2 GB for power? Completely stripped down bots don't have to do any hardcore graphical processing, so I was expecting speed to trump power. Do you really think 15 bots, with the configs edited down to nothing, will need a 2gb card?

Oh, and I cannot drop the ram from 32 to 16. I am not sure exactly how much RAM it will take, but it will be much more than 16 for 15 bots. Each VM takes around 300 mb for the OS, 600-1000 for D3 (sometimes more over time), another 100 or so for DB. The host OS + running VMWare and a few other things will take at least 1 GB I am sure (maybe I can squeeze it down lower, but doubtful). That is 22 GB for 15 bots, and I am sure I am underestimating. If I were running them all on the host machine with no VMware I could MAYBE do it with 16, but I think that would still be very difficult.


Oh, and I uploaded it to that site.

AMD FX-8120, HIS Radeon HD 7850, Thermaltake VN700M1W2N - System Build - PCPartPicker

 

[derico5]

Speed on Grafix doesnt matter that much. Check your card-load atm. My cards all have nothing to do. But u need 600-800 mb vRam per d3, with higher MipBias maybe less (not tested yet). Thats the reason for 2gb or 3gb. For a 20+ system the cheapest 7950 3gb is fine enough. For 15 bots a cheap 7850 2gb is ok.

Check this guide. Explains everything to setup vmware or remoted-d3's.
http://www.thebuddyforum.com/demonb...1741-guide-vmware-d3-they-way-shoud-done.html

Iam running every bot-pc with 1 or 2 crucial's. Thats the fastest and best SSD's u can get before intels and by far cheaper If u want to run just 5 bots or so, a HD is fine enough. Speed doesnt care here...

Ah edit: The cheapest ram is fine enough. Dont pay too much for a branded name. Its only a botting pc, not a high-end-gaming-station. And take a Board which u can overclock! Every Gigabyte-Board with a Z is fine enough (with H u cant overclock).
Edit 2: And plz, plz. Take intel and pay a few bucks more. Its worth! Not d3, but DB himself will take much cpu. The bedder your CPU, the more bots u can run. i5 with a K is a must-have for 15 bots.

 

[LargeInt]

Speed on Grafix doesnt matter that much. Check your card-load atm. My cards all have nothing to do. But u need 600-800 mb vRam per d3, with higher MipBias maybe less (not tested yet). Thats the reason for 2gb or 3gb. For a 20+ system the cheapest 7950 3gb is fine enough. For 15 bots a cheap 7850 2gb is ok.

Check this guide. Explains everything to setup vmware or remoted-d3's.
http://www.thebuddyforum.com/demonb...1741-guide-vmware-d3-they-way-shoud-done.html

Iam running every bot-pc with 1 or 2 crucial's. Thats the fastest and best SSD's u can get before intels and by far cheaper If u want to run just 5 bots or so, a HD is fine enough. Speed doesnt care here...

I had already used that guide to get my VMs going originally, but it had quite a bit of misinformation in it. I had to get my step-father to help me fix a few issues with it that were causing serious crashes. Especially the part about running without a page file...because Windows is just not built to run that way. It may work for you, or for some, but in most cases it causes instability and a higher rate of crashes (of D3 \ the bot, or the entire VM).

Also, it seems he deleted that guide now. Not sure why he would. There were some nice points in there explaining how to link files inside the VM to ones outside of it, and which ones needed to be actually copied onto the individual machines for D3 to run correctly.

I'm running mine with 9.999999 MipBias btw. It seems to cut down on some of some usage, but makes things a little strange sometimes.

 

[derico5]

Check also my edits

Iam a bit scary. So i running each bot in a different folder. Also with 0.00000 bias. Bliz can check everything. If u run in background, or below 800x600, blabla. It ends up in bans They also can check vmware, thats easy to detect and ban.

My hint: Every d3 should have the same settings as u would play legit on a real machine. Dont go below or u will get more bans as usual.

 

[LargeInt]

Check also my edits

Iam a bit scary. So i running each bot in a different folder. Also with 0.00000 bias. Bliz can check everything. If u run in background, or below 800x600, blabla. It ends up in bans They also can check vmware, thats easy to detect and ban.

My hint: Every d3 should have the same settings as u would play legit on a real machine. Dont go below or u will get more bans as usual.

Heh, well if you mean that you are not using VMWare, and are just rolling with different folders for each bot, that isn't going to save you. If they actually check this stuff, and care (which I don't think they do), then running multiple ones on the same physical computer is much more likely to throw up red flags.

Playing on VMWare is not normal, but has legitimate uses. You could be playing on a work computer and need it to be completely separated. You could be using it to be a hard limit on how much of the resources it consumes. You could be doing many things legitimately with VMWare, and beyond IP (which just says it is the same internet connection, not the same computer), there is not a link between each account. If you are using a *****, there is NO link between them, unless you trade between the bots or use information on your accounts that shows a clear, definite link.

Running multiple characters on the same computer, all at the same time, and all in different games \ areas is CLEARLY not you playing all of them. If they were all in one game, and following each other, then sure, you could be using ISBoxer and boxing them which is somewhat legit. Otherwise, if anyone looks, it would instantly be obvious that all running on that computer are bots.

Of course, it seems Blizz doesn't even pay attention to IP, or multiple accounts on the same computer, or really anything else (except maybe the error reporter).

I may just build this out and not even bother with VMWare. It is such a headache!