Cheap SSD for 4 bots?

[Master_Cirroji]

Hype? I run servers for a living and you have no idea what you are talking about if you think running a OS on a SSD will only increase performance by 1-3%. I've done the tests myself and seen the results. It is simple plan fact.

so now we are using the basis for comparison, not on a personal pc running diablo, now we are using the comparison as a server ?

come on now, you cant compare the usage of the two. they are being used completely different.

the server would be a24hr job, utilizing i/O at a dramatically higher rate than some guy playing a 1gb texture pre-loaded game

wtf in the background do you think he is running? what windows task needs a friggin ssd to make it worthwhile?

anyone with any knowledge of Windows already has their running processes fine tuned

 

[Elmo]

so now we are using the basis for comparison, not on a personal pc running diablo, now we are using the comparison as a server ?

come on now, you cant compare the usage of the two. they are being used completely different.

the server would be a24hr job, utilizing i/O at a dramatically higher rate than some guy playing a 1gb texture pre-loaded game

wtf in the background do you think he is running? what windows task needs a friggin ssd to make it worthwhile?

anyone with any knowledge of Windows already has their running processes fine tuned

No convincing the stupid I guess.

You really need to step back and learn the basics of computers and understand what even makes a server, well a server.

 

[Master_Cirroji]

No convincing the stupid I guess.

You really need to step back and learn the basics of computers and understand what even makes a server, well a server.

i dont give a fuck about what makes a server, the OP and the argument had nothing to do with a server until you opened your mouth

so wait a second here, your trying to tell me that there isnt a huge amount of HDD only servers?

sounds like someone got a job, and thats the only nice high-end HW you've ever worked with


theres "sheet gain" and "real-time gain". once again, comparing a server thats 24/7 to some guy using diablo 3 is NOT proper

 

[Elmo]

i dont give a fuck about what makes a server, the OP and the argument had nothing to do with a server until you opened your mouth

so wait a second here, your trying to tell me that there isnt a huge amount of HDD only servers?

sounds like someone got a job, and thats the only nice high-end HW you've ever worked with

You should give a fuck because you are miss-informing people. Your posts are becoming less and less worth replying to as you continue to show the intelligence you lack.

 

[Master_Cirroji]

You should give a fuck because you are miss-informing people. Your posts are becoming less and less worth replying to as you continue to show the intelligence you lack.

what the fuck information have you given? "i work with servers" is the only information you have given.

ill remember next time someone asks about videocards, and then ill suggest some high-end CAD designed cards that would give no benefit to someone njust casually gaming

when you start allowing things like the variables (aka what its being used for) to be changed to suit your argument, you change the entire argument into something thats pointless

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[Elmo]

Conventional drives have access time ssd is minimal hence lag

A SSD improves overall performance of the computer as a whole, so yes that includes overall performance of D3 or anything else you run on the computer, period.

Possibly it will.

Perhaps his CPU isn't that great, or the hard drive itself isn't performing at its best, or a million other things.

The point is anything in your computer effects it as a whole and since Windows function starts from the hard drive, it is has a chain reaction effect across the system as a whole.

im using an OCZ Agility 3 and i love it.

if someone really wants speed, get 2 cheap 64gb ones and put them in raid 0
that ought to be plenty fast enough.

my friend played d3 on a normal hdd and had some micro lags while playin, even after a fresh install of windows and d3. Then he bought a ssd and the lags are gone. seems like d3 is fuckin badly coded

Just review this thread, everything you've said is total shit and now I'm just annoyed. You are stuck somewhere between arrogant and ignorance.

 

[Master_Cirroji]

exactly. you have no real-time data. just shit other people have said. you want me to browse forums and quote a bunch of people?

im telling you from first hand, not my friend playing it, not after patches do i renig my statements.

i have MANY computers and i can tell you, with ANY MODERN CPU/RAM/Videocard setup its NOT worth the purchase alone!

EVEN bashiok has been quoted saying that if you want better overall performance, that a SSD is not the #1 to goto for that

 

[Elmo]

Um, what the fuck? lol you really are some new breed of stupid. Use Google.

 

[Master_Cirroji]

Um, what the fuck? lol you really are some new breed of stupid. Use Google.

everytime i google it the amount of "it will only help load time" keeps coming up.

i still cant find these many people with massive FPS gains or anything.

man there isn't anything going on at work today, im about to do what you did, and post quotes from about 10 places with people saying the exact same shit as me.

btw when you use people as reference to prove your cause, don't quote yourself, obviously i value your input as nothing

 

[Elmo]

everytime i google it the amount of "it will only help load time" keeps coming up.

i still cant find these many people with massive FPS gains or anything.

man there isn't anything going on at work today, im about to do what you did, and post quotes from about 10 places with people saying the exact same shit as me.

btw when you use people as reference to prove your cause, don't quote yourself, obviously i value your input as nothing

I posted them as a last resort because you don't work well with reason. Get a clue.

You lack the most information out of anyone here with your bullshit. You really don't deserve the responses I've even made to you.

And when did anyone say it will increase FPS?

 

[Master_Cirroji]

#1 "Only load times"
View topic - SSD or HDD? - Maximum PC Forums

Quote:
3) I will be installing Diablo 3 when it comes out. I'm trying to decide if i should install it onto ssd or hdd. Is there a major performance boost if I install it on ssd? or should i put it onto my hdd since my ssd has only 30gb free space after the installation of my OS.

The only improvement is your load times decrease.

#2 "The only "improvement" it will give is loading time. "
SSD ocz vertex 3 VS hdd for Diablo 3 - Hard-Disks - Storage

Hello,

The only "improvement" it will give is loading time.

Blizzard mentioned they might have a 40 second login delay on the 15th when D3 is released.

It will not give you any extra frames per second.

#3 Many references
http://diablo3x.com/groups/game-mechanics-analyltics-tools-forum/forum/topic/ssd-or-not/

SkelmPie84 said 8 months ago:
SSD will not improve performance of the game. Load times etc will be better. Overall gameplay wont be affected enough to justify buying one just for D3. Normal HDD should be fine

The SSD will cut loading times by a dramatic amount,however it?s not needed per se.Overall game performance won?t improve,just the maps will load faster.
However,if you?re planning to buy an SSD,then go for it.It?s absolutely worth the money.
Be careful though,don?t ever defragment it,or it may malfunction.

An ssd would help in a very minute way? If you installed both windows and diablo on it?. But the cost just isn?t worth the tiny benefit?. They are still too expensive and small?. As long as you don?t have a laptop with a 5400 rpm drive? Then you must upgrade.

You definitely won?t need an SSD, but I?ll be installing the game onto mine

The game will run on a lot of lower end systems so I wouldn?t worry about getting an SSD just for this game.

#4 "only the .exe will launch faster"
Installing Diablo 3, to SSD or not SSD? - Diablo III Message Board for PC - GameFAQs

The only benefit from installing it in a SSD is that the program will execute/launch faster and loading of textures and stuff from the SSD

#5
Ssd Vs Hdd - d2jsp Topic

if you must get into a game in from standstill in 2 seconds then by all means.

SSD wont do any of the shit you think they do...

they load things faster.... and nothing else....

And in any case.... it is nearly instantaneous with a 7200 rpm drive to load locations after the game has launched.

Once you're loaded, SSD vs. HDD is meaningless. It's all GPU from that point on*. So an SSD isn't going to improve your PvP success.

They are nice, and make great OS drives, but in general I'd consider them a luxury item with little value for gaming. Especially the 60 GB one you're looking at. It'll get very cramped, especially when you factor in future D3 expansion packs and the many programs that insist on being on your C-drive.

* Assuming you have enough RAM and CPU performance, of course.

The info coming in would have to exceed what the standard HDD could process to affect performance at all. That is no where near the case. HDD and Memory mean almost nothing in gaming, unless you are completely anal about load screens.

#6
Installing SSD and HDD - Forums - Diablo III

Just remember 1 thing when deciding what to put where:

you will probably want to install the OS on the SSD, and everything else on the HDD, and make sure she knows where to put things.

#7 - people talking about the inital launch error, where ssd's would lag from "garbage" data being accessed
Diablo 3 lags with my SSD | Blues.incgamers

I have 2 hard drives, a Crucial C300 128gb ssd and a Hitachi 2tb hdd. I originally loaded my Diablo 3 on my Crucial ssd figuring the game would run smother on an ssd but I experienced issues with lags and freezes (screen would freeze for about .5-1 second). At first, I thought it was an issue with the server but after talking to customer service, on a hunch, I decided to move my game over to my HDD. Since I moved the game, everything has been running great. Does anyone have any idea why this is happening (specs on my ssd is much faster).

I also built my neighbors pc for him awhile ago, AMD 8120, ASUS MOBO, HD 6870 gpu, and a conventional 7200rpm hard drive and he's running diablo 3 smooth with no stuttering.
I'm running a 3770k, Z77 gigabyte UDH5, GTX 680, with diablo 3 installed on a Intel SSD, and I'm having really irritating stuttering issues.

#8 - Bashiok's direct sentence stating that SSD's don't provide Massive GAME performance
SSD DIABLO 3 - Forums - Diablo III

Bashiok
Community Manager
IMO an SSD is one of the best upgrades (bang for the buck) you can make for your system as a whole. In most cases though your HDD is not a bottleneck for games outside of the initial loading screen/s. If you want a machine that runs faster, an SSD can be a huge improvement. If you don't care about anything but game performance, there may be other components to focus on first.

-edit #2- waaiit so "when did i ever say you'd get better fps"

well then how the shit is he supposed to make his game perform better if he cant even + his fps? how the shit is that an upgrade?

 

[Master_Cirroji]

I have over 10 pc's, even though only the 10 can bot at the same time, I do know (from building each computer personally) what is inside them, and how they feel.

the ssd computers DO - load windows, load programs, loading Videos ( 4gb+ high def movies) helps encode (slightly), and Photoshop
however most write speeds aren't amazing compared to the ssd's ability to "read"

Only on some games which have large amounts of "big file textures" that need to be loaded like in the Pc game "RAGE"
Do you really see performance. i am a long time gamer, hardcore computer nerd.

you realize if you weren't such a prick about things, i would of easily taken a stand of "alot of games, and windows functions benefit from a ssd"

but you want to be a know-it-all d-bag. go ahead. confuse people, tell them what you think.

i'll be busy setting OC, superPI, and other benchmark records. do what you want , this has been a nice waste to an hour of my workday.
wont hear me complaining about getting paid to google shit and argue

 

[Bottor]

Elmo, you're obviously quite misinformed. And protip; anyone who says they "work with servers" doesn't.

The point Cirroji is making here is simply put, if you want to run more bots more smoothly, the choice of upgrade is clearly not going from a hard drive to a solid state. This will indeed decrease your load times when launching the game/windows/whatever else you install on the ssd, however in terms of actual botting performance the most critical components are always going to be your RAM and CPU, followed by GPU.

Surely if you "work with servers" you'd know they require far less RAM and CPU, typically have no graphics unit installed, and are really just there for accessing their bandwidth through whatever protocols.

 

[Insomniak]

this thread has derailed.....

 

[Master_Cirroji]

this thread has derailed.....

the whole point is, if i want to get a hamburger at the drive thru, don't pull forward if they ask. they cant make you pull forward, its just so they can clear the "time per customer" counter!

the radiator leaking from its gaskets will run out eventually!!!


lol

 

[Elmo]

Yes in conclusion we found out Master_Cirroji has no problem solving skills and possibly issues with his social mentality.

Notice how he proved pretty much every point with his "references" (lol?) and tried to sneak things in like "it will not increase FPS" etc.

No one was talking about SSD increasing FPS.

This talk was about if having a SSD is effective in this situation, and yes it very much is as others will agree more than often (you can Google that just like you did, I've actually read through those posts).

 

[Master_Cirroji]

Yes in conclusion we found out Master_Cirroji has no problem solving skills and possibly issues with his social mentality.

Notice how he proved pretty much every point with his "references" (lol?) and tried to sneak things in like "it will not increase FPS" etc.

No one was talking about SSD increasing FPS.

This talk was about if having a SSD is effective in this situation, and yes it very much is as others will agree more than often (you can Google that just like you did, I've actually read through those posts).

wah wah wah, why don't you go find some schoolchildren that will actually listen to your BS

my references, were, well Quotes . not like you have actually provided ANY data to back up your claim.

lol you remind me of old people who blame russia for 9.11

 

[Elmo]

wah wah wah, why don't you go find some schoolchildren that will actually listen to your BS

See, you have yet to backup anything you've said. You are just ranting in all random directions, you ignore me when I ask you constantly who said anything about FPS being improved?

Here plenty of feedback for you to read as well.

How Does Storage Performance Affect Gaming? : SSD Performance In Crysis 2, World Of Warcraft, And Civilization V

And as for school children, believe me I'm trying but all your doing is crying/babbling/not making much sense (often happens when someone who is dead wrong trys everything to prove they are right)

So keep your "wah wah wah" to yourself kiddo.

 

[Master_Cirroji]

See, you have yet to backup anything you've said. You are just ranting in all random directions, you ignore me when I ask you constantly who said anything about FPS being improved?

Here plenty of feedback for you to read as well.

How Does Storage Performance Affect Gaming? : SSD Performance In Crysis 2, World Of Warcraft, And Civilization V

why don't we stick on diablo 3. crysis is known to have a huge amount of textures to load.

LOL the references i used were about diablo

 

[Elmo]

why don't we stick on diablo 3. crysis is known to have a huge amount of textures to load.

LOL the references i used were about diablo

What is the difference between your "references" and the ones that are in front of our faces?

You got onto me for the very same thing you just did.

Seriously are you that stupid?