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Opinions on this beast machine!

O_O are you insane? :D Why on earth you would by an OS? Would it improve the performance? I doubt, now if you are a legit company that does this, then yes you would need to buy it, but I guess that 99% of us here are illegal "small companies" so no.
 
Darkbound said:
O_O are you insane? :D Why on earth you would by an OS? Would it improve the performance? I doubt, now if you are a legit company that does this, then yes you would need to buy it, but I guess that 99% of us here are illegal "small companies" so no.
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i feel like, the os is something you always wanna make sure is working fine, using warez can cause issues and headaches that most people dont wanna deal with, for me its worth the money just not to get nagged or if theres an update down the road that causes you to re-activate because you decided to cheap out.
 
You won't need 32GB of ram. If you're running that many instances of WOW then you're better off getting a GTX 670 with 4Gb of VRAM because I assure you that your VRAM of 2GB will start to limit you before 16GB of system RAM would. Overclock the K version to 4.5 GHZ (I did it easily with my MSI Big Bang.
 
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i feel like, the os is something you always wanna make sure is working fine, using warez can cause issues and headaches that most people dont wanna deal with, for me its worth the money just not to get nagged or if theres an update down the road that causes you to re-activate because you decided to cheap out.
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Windows is never working fine, like some people say "Crashing is not something normal, it's normal because we use windows" or something like that.

I never had any issues with the Windowses that I use (downloaded from a torrent tracker).. Of course it also depends on what is your income, if you (or me) get like 2k euro/month, well sure I would gladly waste 50 euro on the OS (or whatever it costs). :) But until then, nop, I won't.
 
tinton said:
You won't need 32GB of ram. If you're running that many instances of WOW then you're better off getting a GTX 670 with 4Gb of VRAM because I assure you that your VRAM of 2GB will start to limit you before 16GB of system RAM would. Overclock the K version to 4.5 GHZ (I did it easily with my MSI Big Bang.
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You forgot to mention the price of the GTX 670 which is (at least here) 460 euro.

I am absolutely sure that my GTX 560 Ti 2GB(costed me 245 euro 4 months ago), can more than easily run at least 30 WoWs ;) I just can't test it because I don't have enough RAM, CPU and Accounts.

So what is cheaper 16GB of RAM (50-60 euro?) or a graphics card that costs 460 euro (or 360 euro extra from his last configuration).
 
I had 4 560ti's great cards but its all based on ram and cpu power reason why I have 2 xeons 12 cores for my vm stations
 
tinton said:
You won't need 32GB of ram. If you're running that many instances of WOW then you're better off getting a GTX 670 with 4Gb of VRAM because I assure you that your VRAM of 2GB will start to limit you before 16GB of system RAM would. Overclock the K version to 4.5 GHZ (I did it easily with my MSI Big Bang.
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Can croga quote on this?
 
But he said that my GPU vram will get faster filled than my 32gb ram? Why is that,doesnt 1 wow use like 1gbx 20= 20 + 3gb(os) = 23 gb? and random stuff.
 
1 WoW uses way less than 1 GB... it's like 500-700MB + the HB.. I don't know why he said it but as you can see on the screenshots, that's not the case at least with my GPU (altho my gpu is 2,5 times more expensive than yours so I guess there would really be some difference...)
 
Hmm okey, is this crap ZOTAC GeForce GT 630 4GB PhysX CUDA ? or is the 7750 2gb better? Atleast why? the price on this is twice as less and with much more vram.
 
This is CRAP. 96 CUDA cores!!!! Let me give you an example with the GPU of my Laptop, it has 2 GB of vRAM, and some boost shits HyperMemory bla bla up to 3,5GB, that doesn't mean that it will be able to hold more than 5-6 WoWs, it doesn't depend only on the Memory that a GPU has..

Palit GeForce GTX 650 Ti 2048MB GDDR5 (I'm not really sure what is (if there is any) the disadvantage of mini HDMI compared to a normal HDMI or it's just a smaller "hole"), try this one it's from the new 6xx Generation if I'm not mistaking, and the specs look quite nice(so does the overall design), costs about 170 EU here. I guess that this would be able to hold whatever you want... Keep in mind, WoW may not be that much GPU dependant when it comes to botting, but if you want to switch onto other games after like Diablo or SWTOR, they require more resources than WoW, (especially that shit SWTOR!!! that doesn't even have a FPS limit slider)

Disadvantage of the GTX 650 - no SLI if you would ever want to do that.
 
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Sifer, the nVidia series and the AMD series models work like this. ZXXX where Z is the generation and X is model. The lower the X's the lower the model. Lower models are slower than higher models in their generation and each generation releases a whole new line of models. Use that as a general rule of thumb.

Now the difference between those two cards is Benchmark performance. Use this website to compare them. PassMark Software - Video Card Benchmark Charts

You may also want to look into multiple GPU's, as running SLI/Crossfire can yield higher results with less cost total. Of course this is not always the case and requires research. VRAM is essentially just the RAM on the Graphics Card dedicated to handling output to your monitor. It is the buffer between the RAM and Graphics Card. 4gig VRAM cards show almost no performance increase in regular usage, as bigger numbers do not mean performance increase. The only time you need more VRAM is when using applications that require large amounts of it.

WoW at minimum settings requires ~64mb of Ram and ~32MB of VRAM.

30 WoW clients at minimum will require ~2gig of Ram and ~1gig of VRAM.
I don't know the specs for HB, but I'm sure if you run 16 gigs of RAM and SLI two 2 gig VRAM cards you will have more than enough power.

Now Croga was pushing the electrical consumption issue also, if the cost of electricity is something that concerns you then more calculations will be required.


That GPU benchmark site I gave you also benchmarks CPU's, RAM, HDD's and complete PC's. I suggest spending a while on that website and comparing your options.
 
Darkbound said:
This is CRAP. 96 CUDA cores!!!! Let me give you an example with the GPU of my Laptop, it has 2 GB of vRAM, and some boost shits HyperMemory bla bla up to 3,5GB, that doesn't mean that it will be able to hold more than 5-6 WoWs, it doesn't depend only on the Memory that a GPU has..

Palit GeForce GTX 650 Ti 2048MB GDDR5 (I'm not really sure what is (if there is any) the disadvantage of mini HDMI compared to a normal HDMI or it's just a smaller "hole"), try this one it's from the new 6xx Generation if I'm not mistaking, and the specs look quite nice(so does the overall design), costs about 170 EU here. I guess that this would be able to hold whatever you want... Keep in mind, WoW may not be that much GPU dependant when it comes to botting, but if you want to switch onto other games after like Diablo or SWTOR, they require more resources than WoW, (especially that shit SWTOR!!! that doesn't even have a FPS limit slider)
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Mini HDMI is the same as HDMI, there is no difference and all decent cards offering Mini HMDI will have an adapter in the box.
 
Dark57 said:
WoW at minimum settings requires ~64mb of Ram and ~32MB of VRAM.
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I didn't quite understand this, I've never seen my WoW using 64 MB of RAM :P, and from the screenshots that I posted few posts ago, you can see that (at least for me) 1 WoW needs ~60MB of VRAM, with the Palit GTX 560Ti 2GB 256 bit.
 
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I didn't quite understand this, I've never seen my WoW using 64 MB of RAM :P, and from the screenshots that I posted few posts ago, you can see that (at least for me) 1 WoW needs ~60MB of VRAM, with the Palit GTX 560Ti 2GB 256 bit.
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Minimum is the least amount required, if you have more resources your PC will smooth out the game by giving it more resources. Scaling resources is built right into your OS and drivers. Other programs can also affect used RAM and VRAM. Calculating it out, quadrupling the minimum requirements for the game and adding some extra for the system will more than sufficient.

Your biggest issue when trying to use that many bots will be your CPU, always your CPU. So it is worth looking into running multiple smaller slave systems into one monitor/keyboard/mouse combo using a KVM switch. Example: Newegg.com - TRENDnet TK-407K 4-Port KVM Switch Kit (Dig for your own personal requirements)
 
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Dark57 said:
Minimum is the least amount required, if you have more resources your PC will smooth out the game by giving it more resources. Scaling resources is built right into your OS and drivers. Other programs can also affect used RAM and VRAM. Calculating it out, quadrupling the minimum requirements for the game and adding some extra for the system will more than sufficient.
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Yes, yes I know what "minimum" means, my point is that I did a test on my own about how much vRAM(I guess that it can really go down to 30-35MB vRAM on a high end GPU that costs 600+ eu, but not on the ones we r looking at now) uses 1x WoW at minimum settings/resolution(320x220 or something like that), and I really doubt that nowadays WoW will run with 64MB of RAM, I was able to run it on 128MB of RAM like 6-7 years ago on my old PC, but I doubt that this can happen now, for me it starts off at 500-600 MB (I have 16GB total)
 
Darkbound said:
Yes, yes I know what "minimum" means, my point is that I did a test on my own about how much vRAM(I guess that it can really go down to 30-35MB vRAM on a high end GPU that costs 600+ eu, but not on the ones we r looking at now) uses 1x WoW at minimum settings/resolution(320x220 or something like that), and I really doubt that nowadays WoW will run with 64MB of RAM, I was able to run it on 128MB of RAM like 6-7 years ago on my old PC, but I doubt that this can happen now, for me it starts off at 500-600 MB (I have 16GB total)
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Have you ever tried running the game on a machine that only can allot the minimum requirements? Probably not, so your system will give it more resources to smooth it out. Its automatic and you can't completely control it which is my point. That's why you quadruple the minimum requirements for the game to take into account your system's scaling resources. You are using observed results, not technical specs.
 
Like I said I have tried running the game (several years ago) on my old PC that was with 128MB RAM, so if what you're saying is true, then how can I do this on my current PC? Is it possible to make it use less than 100MB of RAM? If it's not possible then what is the point of this discussion, you suggest that he should buy 20x PCs mega cheap PCs with 128MB RAM ?
 
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