Banned - Main account not even botted or any third party.

[DTrick]

So i got my main account banned some how by blizzard and they said that i used third party software. Yet i never did.

Never used any language hack because its an USA key.
Never used any Bots and i can prove this because Paragon levels came out and it hasnt even entered a game was just used for selling RMAH and Items on AH.
Never did any Auction house botting because I ONLY SOLD never bought.

And my main account gets banned at the same time 3 of my 6 bots were farming all of which were doing Randomized delays. with Randomized profiles.

3 Hours on, with a randomized break every 1-2 hours for 4-18mins each. Then the Normal pause break of 1 hour randomzied length by a few mins added to it.

Champ farming. and Leveling lower levels to farm champ. I reckon the Lower levels tipped off blizzard because of staying in normal for to long.

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But im done with Botting D3 games falling apart, blizzard banned my main account which never broke any of the TOS/EULA. They will not tell me how or what program. Even after the following was said to them.

Tally: 9 Banned Accounts. now.

I still have 3. So we will see how i go with those. once those are gone game over.

 

[devious21]

It's well known that "mule" accounts, despite their lack of botting, can still be banned.
It's unfortunate, but if your main has been receiving all the funds/items/etc from a bot, blizz can still ban it.
Their game, their rules.
Sorry you got hit

 

[DTrick]

Yeah, Their game their rules means you can fart and they can ban your account for what ever reason they want.

 

[aloras]

You're pretty funny. I'm a drug warlord, I don't sell drugs myself, I let others do it. I shouldn't get arrested cause I personally didn't sell them. But I gained all the profits from it.

 

[packetloss]

You're pretty funny. I'm a drug warlord, I don't sell drugs myself, I let others do it. I shouldn't get arrested cause I personally didn't sell them. But I gained all the profits from it.

Would you feel the same way if the company you worked for was somehow losely tied to "drug" profits (unbeknownst to you) and they decided to throw you in jail claiming you were a drug dealer - but without even showing or explaining why they were connecting you to drug dealing?

That is how Blizzard operates.

I can understand them using a heavy hand if you are clearly running a bot farm. But some of these grey area bans are really crossing the line. Unfortunately this is what happens when a single entity is judge jury and executioner.

One more thing. Prety much everyone with over 50M gold in the game can be losely tied to "drug" money. Do you honestly think anything would be selling for the prices they do if there weren't chinese bot farms cranking out billions of gold a week? Should they ban everyone that has ever sold an item on the AH?

 

[Eisenberg]

Would you feel the same way if the company you worked for was somehow losely tied to "drug" profits (unbeknownst to you) and they decided to throw you in jail claiming you were a drug dealer - but without even showing or explaining why they were connecting you to drug dealing?

That is how Blizzard operates.

I can understand them using a heavy hand if you are clearly running a bot farm. But some of these grey area bans are really crossing the line. Unfortunately this is what happens when a single entity is judge jury and executioner.

Guy has transferred dozens of items and millions of gold from botting accounts, which (i pressume) operate under same ip and hardware id as this mule, so about what the fuck gray area are we speaking about here ? Its retarded to hope that blizzard wont realize that non botting account, which for a long time gets many stuff from several botting accounts operating on same computer isnt owned by same person... Furthermore randozmized delays are worthless if someone runs 6 diablo clients at onec on one computer for most of day. They probably check such anomalies by hand, and thats how this ban happened.

 

[FocusRS]

But in this case the employee (you) did know about the dealing as they were YOUR accounts.

 

[packetloss]

Guy has transferred dozens of items and millions of gold from botting accounts, which (i pressume) operate under same ip and hardware id as this mule, so about what the fuck gray area are we speaking about here ? Its retarded to hope that blizzard wont realize that non botting account, which for a long time gets many stuff from several botting accounts operating on same computer isnt owned by same person... Furthermore randozmized delays are worthless if someone runs 6 diablo clients at onec on one computer for most of day. They probably check such anomalies by hand, and thats how this ban happened.

Oh really? Maybe they are playing from a university where everyone has the same ip address (assuming the accounts even did have the same IP address). Maybe his roomate/friend was helping him out and giving him tons of stuff. Maybe he didn't know exactly how his friend got the items that he did. The bottom line is the main account didn't bot and didn't explicitly violate the TOS. Everyone and I mean everyone that has over 100M gold can be tied to "drug" money. Should Blizzard just ban all accounts with over 100M?

My point being, Blizzard is doesn't even bother to consider any possibilities prior to their sweeping bans.

Even the government when dealing with real drug dealers does better at due dilligence than Blizzard. This is kind of reminds me of a scociety like in the movie minority report.

 

[Eisenberg]

With that type of logic, nobody would be able to prove anything to anyone. For an example, if i would be accused of murder, and there would be 2 witnesses, DNA evidence and video recording, i could still argue that it was my clone made by aliens not me. Blizzard dont need bullet proof evidence, but only high probablity, and tell me which is much morelikely, Your story, or that whats true ? Its same as with those ip chain bans, they probably made some reaserch and discovered that its highliy unlikely that if 5 accounts are logged on same ip at same time and 1 is caught at botting other are legit.

 

[packetloss]

At this point in time we have no idea what supposed evidence Blizzard has. They get away with it because to date because no one has taken them to court over a $60 game. If they wrote in their emails we have 2 witnesses that saw you botting then that is pretty strong evidence. Likewise if the 2 witnesses also tied some 3rd party to the crime, then that is strong evidence. To date we haven't seen any evidence. They don't even go as far as to say specifically what they are accusing someone of. 3rd party programs just by itself is a very broad accusation. Likewise it's impossible to defend yourself or explain any anomolies, without knowing what they are accusing you of and why.

I'm just trying to say, this sets a very bad precedent if Blizzard gets to do whatever if feels like doing. Now if they agree to refund the full purchase price anytime they close an account based on whatever hidden information they have, then maybe. The way it is now, how is it any different than any scam? Imagine any time you buy something you sign some TOS that gives the seller the right to keep the money you paid them and make the item you bought unusable, without even some moderate attempt of showing you violated this TOS. A TOS I might add which is forced on you to begin with.

 

[quark82]

Oh really? Maybe they are playing from a university where everyone has the same ip address (assuming the accounts even did have the same IP address). Maybe his roomate/friend was helping him out and giving him tons of stuff. Maybe he didn't know exactly how his friend got the items that he did. The bottom line is the main account didn't bot and didn't explicitly violate the TOS. Everyone and I mean everyone that has over 100M gold can be tied to "drug" money. Should Blizzard just ban all accounts with over 100M?

My point being, Blizzard is doesn't even bother to consider any possibilities prior to their sweeping bans.

Even the government when dealing with real drug dealers does better at due dilligence than Blizzard. This is kind of reminds me of a scociety like in the movie minority report.

I agree. It also happened to me the other day.. Botting 3 accounts, and using my mule/main acc only to stash items and gold. DB was NEVER running while i did this, in theory it could just have been common trades or giveaways. I have complained and twice, and all blizzard had to give me was a standard message, sayin they knew they were right, and in basic just telling me to have a cup of shut-the-fuck-up, even though i said i?m sharing computer with others both at home, and at school.. Face it, blizzard is just arrogant about everything and they do whatever they want - banning, stelthnerfing you name it, blizz is guilty.

 

[dookiepie]

Very sorry for your loss. I'm curious, were you using ISBoxer?

 

[RayrayB]

So if I don't like someone I should sell them D3 gold or give them free stuff, then when I get taken down they will get banned too? Awesome

 

[Eisenberg]

Im not denying that they are doing what they want, and not behaving like national supreme court, im just saying that raging about that they are closing Your mules without providing You with crushing evidence is silly. Yes, we dont know what evidence they have, but we know well what evidence they may have. Recording IP/Mac/HWID during login and gameplay is easliy doable, and used by blizzard for account security purposes, its only question of how much do they relay on those informations while banning. Maybe they would loose in court if someone sue them, but its more dependent on particular country laws than activities of considered account. Afterall, according to TOS they can terminate service whenever they want, and its as likely to be overridden by local law as also included in TOS prohibition of botting per se.

So if I don't like someone I should sell them D3 gold or give them free stuff, then when I get taken down they will get banned too? Awesome

Yes, do that for several weeks, and do that from bot running on his computer. Only how much is that likely ?

 

[Radonic]

Once again more proof that they doesnt ban because its a "bot" thats playing, they are banning because of how you trade and operate!

 

[Radonic]

This is what the GM wrote to me before i got the account back...

Greetings,

Many thanks for your reply. We have had another look at your account and can confirm that the ban was warranted and will not be overturned. Apologies that we cannot assist you further with this matter.

Please note, it is our policy never to reveal details regarding account investigations, beyond the information given in the original notice mail, for privacy and security reasons.

We now consider this matter closed, and would not look to enter into further communication on the matter.

If you wish to review our current Rules and Policies, they can be found at:

Regards
Game Master
Blizzard Europe

Greetings,

As previously mentioned, we cannot disclose anymore information in regards to our case on this. It is suffice to say that we have sufficent evidence that there was exploitation and abuse of the economy within Diablo 3.

We never want to ban anyone, however our community is important to us so to uphold the integrity of the game and economy, there are rules in place and bans do happen.

I am terribly sorry for any inconvenience or confusion caused by this, but we cannot disclose any further information on this nor can we overturn this ban.

Take care now.

Kind Regards,

Game Master
Customer Services
Blizzard Entertainment

For all of your Account Security needs!

This was from a Sarkoth account that was on 24/7 for 3 weeks and got banned first or second banwave!
As you see they never say that i got banned from using a third party program, only in the Email i received!
This account never used AH or RMAH and ever since this ban, i changed my trade tactic and how done 24/7 ever since on 20 bots and no ban!

 

[quark82]

This is what the GM wrote to me before i got the account back...





This was from a Sarkoth account that was on 24/7 for 3 weeks and got banned first or second banwave!
As you see they never say that i got banned from using a third party program, only in the Email i received!
This account never used AH or RMAH and ever since this ban, i changed my trade tactic and how done 24/7 ever since on 20 bots and no ban!

Trade tactic? Please explain how- any helpful tactic is most velcome

 

[RaiProdigy]

I agree. It also happened to me the other day.. Botting 3 accounts, and using my mule/main acc only to stash items and gold. DB was NEVER running while i did this, in theory it could just have been common trades or giveaways. I have complained and twice, and all blizzard had to give me was a standard message, sayin they knew they were right, and in basic just telling me to have a cup of shut-the-fuck-up, even though i said i?m sharing computer with others both at home, and at school.. Face it, blizzard is just arrogant about everything and they do whatever they want - banning, stelthnerfing you name it, blizz is guilty.

Well if they did ban you, they were right. You were botting and giving it to your other account. If you said you never botted on any account and traded to your other accounts and got banned then i would say Blizzard was arrogant. However you were banned most likely because they knew you were the same person at least thats imho. I have yet to be banned on my bots or on my main which i don't get anything from my bots. 1 of my bots has been going 24/7 for a few weeks now besides DB downtime and profile/plugin updates.

 

[Dragonboy]

Well if they did ban you, they were right. You were botting and giving it to your other account. If you said you never botted on any account and traded to your other accounts and got banned then i would say Blizzard was arrogant. However you were banned most likely because they knew you were the same person at least thats imho. I have yet to be banned on my bots or on my main which i don't get anything from my bots. 1 of my bots has been going 24/7 for a few weeks now besides DB downtime and profile/plugin updates.

So you never waypointed your own bots and never trade gold to eachother? If so how do you get rid of the gold?

 

[packetloss]

There has to be some reasonable limits to what would cause them to flag your account. I mean people play with friends and family all the time. There is nothing outrightly wrong with trading items and gold. Perhaps if you were doing it every single day they might look at your account, but even that in and of itself doesn't even violate the TOS. With that being said, I suppose the safest way to trade would be to not have both accounts on via the same IP at the same time. If they ban based on that then anyone ever receiving items is open for being banned.