EU 1/1 11lvl - 15minutes of DB usage

[markn12]

A.k.a not a new Hardware ID. Your own fault.

Because you know they even go by hardware id ? You know shit dozens have had accounts banned on he same PC that other accounts were not banned explain this sir you cannot because hardware id means shit.

 

[Mr Ekko]

I'm being patient because you are banned and upset. But if you keep being an idiot I will have to ban you. Warden is not doing this.

Thank you very much for calling me an idiot. Thank you. Are you threatening and calling all your customers that are not agreeing with you idiots??
Cheers!

 

[PapaBash]

Thank you very much for calling me an idiot. Thank you. Are you calling all your customers that are not agreeing with you idiots??
Cheers!

Being a customer and an idiot is not mutually exclusive. With a bit of common sense it is obvious, that warden is not doing this, but you refuse to listen and keep nagging about it. That doesn't mean, that they aren't detecting something somehow. It is just not warden. Just because a couple of people are as stupid as you doesn't make your claim less idiotic.

So take the insult like a man and don't hide in your customer stuff.

 

[Mr Ekko]

I didn't insult or offend anyone. I didn't threat or post abuse anyone. I just stated that the bot is detectable and post the evidence from the tons of users out there. But obvious for you guys, is much more simple to insult someone and delete his posts or threaten with ban, then to actually proper explain things and to admit that this bot is a failure.

 

[Hawker]

I didn't insult or offend anyone. I didn't threat or post abuse anyone. I just stated that the bot is detectable and post the evidence from the tons of users out there. But obvious for you guys, is much more simple to insult someone and delete his posts or threaten with ban, then to actually proper explain things and to admit that this bot is a failure.

You are confusing 2 concepts; the bot itself being detected and the use of the bot being detected. If the bot is detected, we have 100% bans like with Glider in May 2008 and Gatherbuddy in September 2009. If a pattern of bot use is detected, we see a 100 or so bans a day. When that happens, we need to try to identify the pattern of usage that is being targeted.

EDIT: btw Blizzard did not ban the new accounts and we still have huge online user numbers. So we still don't know the pattern to of behaviour they are looking for.

 

[cheesywarrior]

You are confusing 2 concepts; the bot itself being detected and the use of the bot being detected. If the bot is detected, we have 100% bans like with Glider in May 2008 and Gatherbuddy in September 2009. If a pattern of bot use is detected, we see a 100 or so bans a day. When that happens, we need to try to identify the pattern of usage that is being targeted.

EDIT: btw Blizzard did not ban the new accounts and we still have huge online user numbers. So we still don't know the pattern to of behaviour they are looking for.

isn't it obvious? AGB is the target, core is the target

 

[shuuk]

EDIT: btw Blizzard did not ban the new accounts and we still have huge online user numbers. So we still don't know the pattern to of behaviour they are looking for.

any chance to find that out?

 

[Radonic]

You are confusing 2 concepts; the bot itself being detected and the use of the bot being detected. If the bot is detected, we have 100% bans like with Glider in May 2008 and Gatherbuddy in September 2009. If a pattern of bot use is detected, we see a 100 or so bans a day. When that happens, we need to try to identify the pattern of usage that is being targeted.

EDIT: btw Blizzard did not ban the new accounts and we still have huge online user numbers. So we still don't know the pattern to of behaviour they are looking for.

I remember that in Diablo2 you could be banned when botting if you made new games too fast. So almost all bots had a randomizer between 1-20 secounds until you made a new game. Maybe its because you pretty much make a new game before you fully exited your old. I dont know just a thought.

I do think its normal statistical analys though. You dont need alot of data to see what kind of behaviour the owner to the account have.

 

[Eisenberg]

You are confusing 2 concepts; the bot itself being detected and the use of the bot being detected. If the bot is detected, we have 100% bans like with Glider in May 2008 and Gatherbuddy in September 2009. If a pattern of bot use is detected, we see a 100 or so bans a day. When that happens, we need to try to identify the pattern of usage that is being targeted.

EDIT: btw Blizzard did not ban the new accounts and we still have huge online user numbers. So we still don't know the pattern to of behaviour they are looking for.

Thats probably true, but im pretty sure that problem isnt only with particular style of botting, but also in DB itself, thats the only explanation of those 15 minutes bans. Even if they banned ppl only within several hours at least, we could theorize thats about games/hour, but within 15 minuts its not possible to differ bot from legit player, unless they can look after behavior which is exclusive to bots.

 

[r1lol]

this is maybe because of the pathing they can easily get from public profiles and compare with the one used by players

 

[valen1]

well, its not demonbuddy; i can't get my account banned either - maybe they chill for the weekend.. :S
it's been running since last night, it's level 43 now..

 

[adx]

For what's it worth. I've been running a series of tests with guest passes. I've had DB attached to one account for more than 12 hours now just idling in a game and no ban. I'm pretty sure the detection is a combination of server-side detection combined with the client sending up stats about game creation/game length.

 

[Hellcom]

I'm being patient because you are banned and upset. But if you keep being an idiot I will have to ban you. Warden is not doing this. Its either something else they hid in the D3 client (unlikely) or something server side (very likely as its hitting AutoIt scripts). We need data on what could be causing it and it doesn't help to have you jumping in repeating the same thing you said in umpteen other threads.

Right now, we are trying to get our new accounts to follow the example of kaime's account and get it banned. So far, no joy.

Agreed, in a few other games they put up extra tracking and checks on fresh accounts so bans after 15 minutes were possible even though you did the same thing you had been doing for months 24\7 on other accounts.

 

[PapaBash]

Ekko no you didn't offend anyone you just needlessly stir things up with false claims. It doesn't help to spout detection detection everywhere.

The main problem I see is, that the pattern they target is something not everyone is doing. It isn't really sarkoth, core or something. I was botting quite fine and on the day of the ban only 3 things of note happened.

I changed from DB townrun to AGB townrun, my bots reached 200 mil picked up, I created a lvl 1 toon on a bot account and muled gear onto him. Just switching the town behaviour allows for multiple detection methods.

How everyone behaves in a town is describeable via an algorithm now by changing from AGB to DB townrun I changed that. The first use of behaviour algorithm detection methods I know of are from the poker scene and the server would basically keep track of all your calls/raises etc and create a behaviour pattern for you. Now when you cheated by e.g. collaborating with a friend on the same table via IP your behaviour is very different to your normal play it raises a flag and they look into you.

From what I remember AGB and DB use different vendors. So you have 5000 runs going for vendor a then suddenly it changes and you go to vendor B all the time. I am not saying they are using it, but it is doable. It doesn't explain what happened here but there are numerous methods to get a guaranteed good positive like I just described right now.

Edit: Patent example of such a collusion detection pattern, Patent US7604541 - System and method for detecting collusion in online gaming via conditional ... - Google Patents

 

[kaime]

A.k.a not a new Hardware ID. Your own fault.

Your HWID changes with new OS...

 

[hi1674]

I don't think it's client side, I was also banned for lvling until level 10 or 15, on 6 accounts, only 4 or 5 hours of play (using another bot, so stop saying DB is detected).

I think it's server side, they are mainly targeting new accounts lvling up fast or skipping checkpoints. I'm done with D3. If you already have accounts, don't start new ones, you'll get those banned and the ones you already have, that's what happened to be, bammm 13 accounts when I had just bought 6. Blizzard is making millions out of botters, from keys and from AH cuts. At this rate and speed of bans, D3 isn't profitable.

Blizzard wants to make money .

13 accounts points towards you doing the same and greed like this really makes the important point of blizzards efforts to stop bots.

get a job ?

 

[Hellcom]

Blizzard is making millions out of botters, from keys and from AH cuts. At this rate and speed of bans, D3 isn't profitable.

No they don't, botters give them bad press and a bad reputation. And not just that but they probably spend as much money paying wages for the people banning the bots as they make on repurchases.

 

[Mr Ekko]

Ekko no you didn't offend anyone you just needlessly stir things up with false claims.

What false claims? I never made a false claim. I just stated that the bot is detectable and that's it. Doesn't matter if is not detectable client side, is detectable server side so is actually the same thing for me. Why the bot is flawed? Very simple. Is made in such a way that everything about it make it look like a bot. How it moves, how it sells, how it repairs, how it fights, everything. Those are the patterns Blizz detected, not Warden or anything. If the bot would have been made in a smart manner, to emulate a little human behavior, 95% we wouldn't have this conversation now. I was ranting a lot that we need a true bot with better and longer profiles not just Sarkot and Core, but everybody dismissed me and assured me that we dont need those.

 

[Tony]

What false claims? I never made a false claim. I just stated that the bot is detectable and that's it. Doesn't matter if is not detectable client side, is detectable server side so is actually the same thing for me. Why the bot is flawed? Very simple. Is made in such a way that everything about it make it look like a bot. How it moves, how it sells, how it repairs, how it fights, everything. Those are the patterns Blizz detected, not Warden or anything. If the bot would have been made in a smart manner, to emulate a little human behavior, 95% we wouldn't have this conversation now. I was ranting a lot that we need a true bot with better and longer profiles not just Sarkot and Core, but everybody dismissed me and assured me that we dont need those.

time to give you a break cause simply you dont know what are you talking about and you keep posting your wrong theories here
so,after your 3 days mute think before posting

 

[markn12]

what we need is a hard coded delay between casting tp and exiting the game the bot leaves before you even appear half the time no one is that fast. Also creating games the second the screen loads with no delay is extremely predictable.

Also a game creation delay setting with % for randomess so set it to 30% with a 50% threshold and it can create the game from 15 to 45s.