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Sarkoth Discussion (MF VS GF)

If one wants to play the lottery instead of keeping a stable job, the lottery is available for play.

You can always run with both MF and GF as well if you really want to loot stuff.
 
Just hammer on both. rocking 300 gd and 150 mf, would love more mf, but those perfect pieces aren't worth putting on 3 weeks old bots.
 
but the costs of doing both..with how much return vs. focusing hardcore on one?
 
Put it this way, with MF there is a chance that you will find something good and sell it for a lot of gold. With GF, there is a certainty that you will make a lot of gold. Adding to that the time wasted picking up items, reviewing them, researching prices on the AH and trying to sell them 10 at a time, I think GF is a clear winner.

Your logic falls very short, but seeing some of your other posts it doesn't surprise me. The only thing certain about goldfinding is, that every week gold is worth less in ?, while items aren't that much affected by the inflation.

When an item you have is worth 50? now chances are, that in a week it will be still the same. Last week I got 2?/mil, today i get 1,20?/mil. Take another two weeks and there will be people doing a negative amount of money per month ( most of them without realizing though ). Paying the electricity is one thing, calculating another set of bots per month a different.

Once we are at 50cent per million a bot will roughly generate 186? in a month running 24/7 from 1-31. How likely that is gonna happen you might be able to phantom and as a hint I saw the price drop by 0.8? in a week so we might already be there next week if we are unlucky, since we don't do the prices. I still believe the 1? mark will hold for a week, as did the 2? mark, but not much longer.

So the beloved and uncomplicated goldselling will wither down rather soon and then the alternatives will be overused affecting the secondary goldmarket.

In laymen terms: Items is what you want.
 
Prices on items are dropping every day and my gold intake is constant. I'd rather bot for a couple of days and buy a piece of gear that I want for my main account instead of botting for weeks for a chance that that item will drop. My logic is stellar.
 
Prices on items are dropping every day and my gold intake is constant. I'd rather bot for a couple of days and buy a piece of gear that I want for my main account instead of botting for weeks for a chance that that item will drop. My logic is stellar.

If I had the will to fill an empty glass with information, I would further engage that topic with you in detail. Keep solely goldbotting. If I wouldn't acknowledge the inflation, then I would too. Take a look at your own signature. Why are you using a lootrule that keeps legendaries? Just sell em to the vendor too. I mean you said it right? Prices for items are dropping soon those legendaries are only worth like 5k anyway.

I will restate to make sure: Sell your legendaries to the vendor, their prices are dropping.

Do you start feeling the embarassment building up inside you?
Do you see what your logic does?


I remember in the early days, when I paid like 5million for my high dex/crit lacunis, now I get them for far less.
I remember 3 weeks ago, how I would pay 50 million for 200 dex, 40% critdmg, 8% critchance and 5% attackspeed gloves, now I get them for far less.

Feeling your logic?
 
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MF isn't worth it on Sark anymore... They either rerolled how Elites drop items, or hot-patched the cellar. I've been running hybrid gear for a while (357% GF, 254% MF) and used to get a minimum of 2-3 junk legendaries in a 24 hour period with a stash full of lvl 62-63 items... In the past week Ive gotten maybe 1 legendary and very few lvl 62-63 items.
 
If I had the will to fill an empty glass with information, I would further engage that topic with you in detail. Keep solely goldbotting. If I wouldn't acknowledge the inflation, then I would too. Take a look at your own signature. Why are you using a lootrule that keeps legendaries? Just sell em to the vendor too. I mean you said it right? Prices for items are dropping soon those legendaries are only worth like 5k anyway.

I will restate to make sure: Sell your legendaries to the vendor, their prices are dropping.

Do you start feeling the embarassment building up inside you?
Do you see what your logic does?


I remember in the early days, when I paid like 5million for my high dex/crit lacunis, now I get them for far less.
I remember 3 weeks ago, how I would pay 50 million for 200 dex, 40% critdmg, 8% critchance and 5% attackspeed gloves, now I get them for far less.

Feeling your logic?

I pick up legendaries because they hardly ever drop and the wasted time on picking them up is very negligible, so my gold intake doesn't suffer at all if I pick them up, but 1 in 5 or even 1 in 10 is worth selling, so heck, why not spend an extra second every few days to pick up a legendary? Where is my logic failing?

What are you trying to say anyway? That I should be picking up all yellows that drop because I may be missing out on the odd decent yellow that drops? I can live with that, even if I left a 50 mil yellow on the ground at some point, that's ok, I missed out, no harm done :)
 
I pick up legendaries because they hardly ever drop and the wasted time on picking them up is very negligible, so my gold intake doesn't suffer at all if I pick them up, but 1 in 5 or even 1 in 10 is worth selling, so heck, why not spend an extra second every few days to pick up a legendary? Where is my logic failing?

What are you trying to say anyway? That I should be picking up all yellows that drop because I may be missing out on the odd decent yellow that drops? I can live with that, even if I left a 50 mil yellow on the ground at some point, that's ok, I missed out, no harm done :)

I don't want to offend you, but are you that mentally restricted? My point is, that you give crap advise to people asking a perfectly legit question. Not picking up rares is plain and utter bullshit.

'even if I left a 50 mil yellow on the ground at some point, that's ok' do you even realize how bottomline stupid that is? Most people only botted between 50 and 100 mil so such an item would increase the RoI% pretty significantly.

Good rares are easily worth DB + D3 single handedly and are likely to drop once in a month. So if you want to make that bullshit decision of not picking up for you, then I don't care at all, but don't give that ill advise to other people as if it was an efficient way of handling things. It is a bullshit business decision and nothing more.

Saying that goldprices for items drop is just wrong. We wouldn't have an inflation if that was the case, we would just sit on more gold then we could sell if that was the case. 3 weeks ago my private customers would buy in stacks of 10 million to get a really good LoH weapon or whatever. Now they need 75-100 mil for the very same item.

However our goldfind rate per hour is limited, we can't just output 7 times more in the same time per bot, so $/h on any given bot is less in goldvalue and it will soon cease to be even profitable on its own.

The only items decreasing in cost, are mediocre ones e.g. 1100 dps crossbows, obviously the market gets flooded with them, but a 1400 crossbow with LoH and critdmg + socket won't be cheaper, it will be way more expensive.

The only constant atm, and even that is already shaking, is $ per weapon in transactions via gold. When I sold those 10 millions for the LoH weapon it was worth 70€, okay so now he needs 70 mil for the same weapon it is still 70€. Now that only was true until a day or two ago, then MMOGA went as I told you earlier amoc on the goldprices and the AH prices didn't increase in magnitude yet, but they will and in a week a customer will have to buy 120 million gold etc.

So also including magic find is the efficient way to go at the moment and until the foreseeable future ( 3 weeks )
 
My advice wasn't to avoid rares, it was to go GF over MF, or both at the same time, which is what most people do. I only mentioned that I don't bother picking up rares because you brought it up. Read before you speak next time buddy.

I said it how it is and I stick to it. Get MF if you want to play the lottery and enjoy sorting/pricing/selling items. Get GF if you want a guaranteed steady gold flow. Simple as that.
 
Hybrid gear is the way to go, Have 2 DHs going 1 GF heavy and 1 MF heavy. Both DHs run about 10-16 hours a day.

DH #1 300gf 187mf i average about 500-575k gold a hour and a few 62-63 ilvl rares if im lucky 1 legendary a night.

DH #2 287mf 236gf averages about 350-420k gold a hour with more 62-63 ilvl rares and 1-4 legendaries a night. ( Mostly Ouroboros and Ice Climbers )
 
Put it this way, with MF there is a chance that you will find something good and sell it for a lot of gold. With GF, there is a certainty that you will make a lot of gold. Adding to that the time wasted picking up items, reviewing them, researching prices on the AH and trying to sell them 10 at a time, I think GF is a clear winner.

Stating that in such a thread does not lead to the conclusion, that you think hybrid is the way to go. You probably forgot your own old opinion already and took my superior one, passed it as yours. Fine by me. The difference in your own opinion between those post is apparent enough. At least you are behaving like a nice lil' sheep/lemming.

My advice wasn't to avoid rares, it was to go GF over MF, or both at the same time, which is what most people do. I only mentioned that I don't bother picking up rares because you brought it up. Read before you speak next time buddy.

I said it how it is and I stick to it. Get MF if you want to play the lottery and enjoy sorting/pricing/selling items. Get GF if you want a guaranteed steady gold flow. Simple as that.
 
Stating that in such a thread does not lead to the conclusion, that you think hybrid is the way to go. You probably forgot your own old opinion already and took my superior one, passed it as yours. Fine by me. The difference in your own opinion between those post is apparent enough. At least you are behaving like a nice lil' sheep/lemming.
Lol you are such a clown. How hard is it to understand English? I think GF is a clear winner and I then advised that he also has the option to have both GF and MF before you repeated what I said directly underneath my post. Man, fucking children these days...



If one wants to play the lottery instead of keeping a stable job, the lottery is available for play.

You can always run with both MF and GF as well if you really want to loot stuff.
 
I'm not sure what's more profitable. We need to know how much $/time we can get with X amount of gold find, versus X amount of magic find.

It's quite easy to calculate how much $/time you get with gold find. For example, with 275 gold find you farm 10 million gold per day, and you sell it at $1 per million, so you get $10 per day. But how do you calculate how much dollars per day you get with 275 magic find? You need a gigantic sample size to have an idea of the average amount of items of each kind that you get in 1 day; and then you have to be able to calculate the value in dollars of those items. Magic find has more problems: you need the knowledge to value correctly the items that you get, and you can auction just 10 at the same time, while you can farm any amount of gold.

I don't know if magic find is already more profitable than gold find, but if botters keep focusing in farming gold, it seems reasonable to expect item farming to be more profitable each day in comparison to gold farming.
 
I do full A3 runs, 2-3 a day, killing all champs and it gives me about 1,5 storage panes of ilvl 63+'s per run. In a week, I haven't gotten a single 10m+ item.

So in short MF is way too risky for me to bother with it. Sure I get it if I can but I invested in 310 GF this far, making ~595-635 per hour. Getting a good item now and then, but GF is always going to be the primary income for my botting. Worst case scenario I'll start using the gold i find to craft with making a profit in that way.
 
I'm running with about 300% gf and 250% mf. For the longest time I was running with 320% gf and 0% mf. I have not noticed any major difference between the two so far. In theory it should be substantially better but there's not really that much difference. It's been confirmed that MF doesn't affect the item level only the item quality (ie: more rares) but as someone suggested before maybe the cellar has been patched.


Edit: Meh it is a small difference (more rares) but not really enough to worry about imo. I guess it does increase your chances of winning the lottery...
 
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