CLU (Codified Likeness Utility)

[wulf]

Wulf,
My lock does the same thing on heroic ultraxion. On normal it pushes the button fine. I have not tested elaborately due to the fact of my lock needing to pull higher numbers and having to change back to felmaster. Then again I dual and sometimes triple box ten man raids on heroic. So besides noticing we then it fails or when I look at logs and video playback I am not watching everything unfold on honorbuddy. Should be able to give the spriest some going over in a little bit though.

PS looking back on it I may have some logs of the heroic run though if you want me to dig them out

Thanks bennyquest, I cant wait for you to test the mind spike rotation (my spriest is leveling as we speak, thanks to kicks profiles). I have looked at a log that laria supplied but see nothing unusual. (The HB member that is having this issue has reported 40k dps on Ultra heroic (destro))

The Extrabuttonclick is at the top of the Behaviour tree so it should get first priority...unless something is holding it in the middle of the tree as Weischbier pointed out with the channelled spells.

I know the extra button click is in a shadders CC's but haven't read anything going wrong there.

Does anyone else have any toons - besides warlock - that can confirm it working in heroic 10 man?

 

[bennyquest]

Wulf i am testing it as we speak. I am going to run three tests for you and post the numbers of each. One with mind spike and the breakdown on dps on a dummy, one without, and one with altarboy. So you can see what the difference is. I will be self buffed with a flask and int food. t134pc with a 393 ilevel.

Ok here is the first run mindspike rotation with log and numbers.

Second Run no mindspike using CLU

Third run is with altarboy, mindspike with shadowfiend, no racial is used CLU uses it. Shadow word death on cooldown

4th run is altarboy, no mindspike on shadowfiend, no racial. shadow word death on cooldown.

 

[wulf]

Wulf i am testing it as we speak. I am going to run three tests for you and post the numbers of each. One with mind spike and the breakdown on dps on a dummy, one without, and one with altarboy. So you can see what the difference is. I will be self buffed with a flask and int food. t134pc with a 393 ilevel.

thanks bennyquest, some things that may make a difference between LFR and dummy test;-
Shadow Word: Death prioritised during burst phase <= 25% health
Mind Spike if no Haste buffs (hero, lust)

 

[bennyquest]

Ok there are 4 runs lets see what we can do with them. I honestly thought mindspike during SF would be a dps improvement guess i was wrong.

 

[Shuklu]

I've been testing out the shadow priest cc today and found out that it is pretty slow with mind flay. It will channel a mind flay, then stop for a 0.3 sec time and cast another mind flay - which results in a dps loss of about 2k on test dummy vs altarboy. When that said - I think this cc will be excellent! Good work

 

[wulf]

I've been testing out the shadow priest cc today and found out that it is pretty slow with mind flay. It will channel a mind flay, then stop for a 0.3 sec time and cast another mind flay - which results in a dps loss of about 2k on test dummy vs altarboy. When that said - I think this cc will be excellent! Good work

Thanks for testing Shuklu, I am implementing Mind Flay clipping very soon

Wulf i am testing it as we speak. I am going to run three tests for you and post the numbers of each. One with mind spike and the breakdown on dps on a dummy, one without, and one with altarboy. So you can see what the difference is. I will be self buffed with a flask and int food. t134pc with a 393 ilevel.

Ok here is the first run mindspike rotation with log and numbers.

Second Run no mindspike using CLU

Third run is with altarboy, mindspike with shadowfiend, no racial is used CLU uses it. Shadow word death on cooldown

Thanks bennyquest, some things I notice;-
CLU Run 1 Mind Spike vs Altarboy Run 3

CLU Hits more Mind blasts (52 vs 43) for less Mind spikes (34 vs 41) and more damage (214,7822 vs 173,5378) than altarboy.

CLU Hits less VT ticks (159 vs 165) for more damage (154,5357 vs 152,2589) than altarboy.

CLU Blast of corruptions ticks (140 vs 170) for less damage (30,3388 vs 37,1129) than altarboy.

I see there is a DPS difference in Blast of corruptions from your Rathrak but is it enough to make 1k dps difference :S

still thinking...

EDIT: I would LOOOOVE to see what CLU bursts too as opposed to altarboy considering it pumps out more Mind Blasts.

EDIT 2: I have based CLU's rotation from this post How to use the Tier 13 4-piece set bonus. some light reading =)

EDIT 3: CLU does not use Shadow Word: Death on cooldown..I am sure if it did it would be a greater DPS increase due to the T13:2pc bonus. ON THE DUMMY

EDIT 4: CLU does not CLIP Mind Flay, so it runs for the full 3 ticks rather than 2, I am in the middle of implementing clipping functionality so that we can specify when to clip, as well as stop channeling due to Extrabuttonclick and it should save us 2 gcd's

EDIT 5: Altarboy Run 4 no Mind Spike and Altarboy Run 3 WOW Look at the Shadow Word: Death damage, that explains it....should I implement Shadow Word: Death on cooldown for CLU now

bennyquest, thankyou for taking the time to test this as it has helped immensely with improving CLU +rep

 

[bennyquest]

Well run 4 is what throws me for a complete loop. I am going to go eat some dinner and let you ponder on what you think. I will check up while i eat on my phone. Another thought is mind spike clears all your dots.....so makes a difference as well. I am reforged mainly haste then crit then some mastery not too much. Wulf i will give you a breakdown of my stats if you think it will help you any on some theorycrafting.

Update. So i read what you posted about gathering the rotation. So shouldn't we see an increase in DPS when using the shadowfiend/mindspike combo, yet we don't. I just feel like the dummy is more of a constant than actually doing a boss fight. I guess i could Q up some LFR ultraxions and see how it fairs there raid buffed and DIed and what not.

 

[wulf]

Well run 4 is what throws me for a complete loop. I am going to go eat some dinner and let you ponder on what you think. I will check up while i eat on my phone. Another thought is mind spike clears all your dots.....so makes a difference as well. I am reforged mainly haste then crit then some mastery not too much. Wulf i will give you a breakdown of my stats if you think it will help you any on some theorycrafting.

Update. So i read what you posted about gathering the rotation. So shouldn't we see an increase in DPS when using the shadowfiend/mindspike combo, yet we don't. I just feel like the dummy is more of a constant than actually doing a boss fight. I guess i could Q up some LFR ultraxions and see how it fairs there raid buffed and DIed and what not.

I am not sure how Altarboy handles Mind Spike rotation but I dont think its getting the full benefit. One way to test would be for you to change CLUs rotation;-

Line 95 in file Shadow.cs

FROM:

Spells.CastSpell("Shadow Word: Death", ret => Me.CurrentTarget.HealthPercent <= 25, "Shadow Word: Death"),

TO:

Spells.CastSpell("Shadow Word: Death", ret => Me.CurrentTarget.HealthPercent <= 25 || Me.CurrentTarget.MaxHealth == 1, "Shadow Word: Death"),

EDIT: just tested the above on my lvl 83 and its casting Shadow Word: Death on cooldown, may not be the best spot..but its doing the job.

and retest the Mind Spike rotation (Make sure you target a dummy with max health of 1) this should cast Shadow Word: Death on cooldown (we are looking for 30+ casts during a 10mill damage run)

this should yield Higher DPS than CLU's first Mind Spike rotation run, proving Shadow Word: Death is the variant.

 

[bennyquest]

I am on the third test of an LFR ultraxion. First CLU no mind spike no lust, second CLU mind spike and lust and starting third with altarboy mindspike hopefully lust and death

 

[bennyquest]

Ok here are the three runs just the SS of the numbers i will get he logs on here very quickly.

Run1 CLU no spike rotation buffs should be full raid buff plus 10% from demon warlock no lust was used or potions
Run2 CLU spike roatation buffs should be full raid buff plus 10% from demon warlock lust was no potion used
Run3 Altarboy spike rotation mindblast on cooldown no 10% spell power Lust was used and altarboy pots on lust i forgot to uncheck.

EDIT 1. With altarboy i ended up tanking ultraxion at 4 points. The last one killed me at 10m left on ultraxion....just a FYI. LOL never happened before fail tanks in LFR.

 

[bennyquest]

Ok i am priested out for a little while. Just shoot me a PM or add another post under this one for what you want me to do tomorrow or later. LOL i need a break.

 

[wulf]

Ok here are the three runs just the SS of the numbers i will get he logs on here very quickly.

Run1 CLU no spike rotation buffs should be full raid buff plus 10% from demon warlock no lust was used or potions
Run2 CLU spike roatation buffs should be full raid buff plus 10% from demon warlock lust was no potion used
Run3 Altarboy spike rotation mindblast on cooldown no 10% spell power Lust was used and altarboy pots on lust i forgot to uncheck.

EDIT 1. With altarboy i ended up tanking ultraxion at 4 points. The last one killed me at 10m left on ultraxion....just a FYI. LOL never happened before fail tanks in LFR.

So CLU is performing the rotation well ? looking at it...I think Mind Spike during LUST would be a benefit...

What do you think about;-

Shadow Word: Death on Cooldown
Mind Spike with lust as it looks like its huge damage going by Altarboys numbers.

the rest of the numbers look good.

 

[Mr_Hunter]

Hi!
Have the same problem that he is always spamming arcane brilliance and dalaran brilliance with the last version of clu and hb.
in my spellbook are both spells!

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[11:30:49:995] [CLU] 2.3.3: Let's execute the plan!
[11:30:50:160] Cleared POI
[11:30:50:160] Cleared POI - Reason Starting up
[11:30:50:161] Cleared POI
[11:30:50:657] [CLU] 2.3.3: [Raid Buff] Arcane Brilliance
[11:30:50:662] Spell_C::CastSpell(1459, 0, 0xF130B63700006BEE, 0) [1]
[11:30:51:988] [CLU] 2.3.3: [Raid Buff] Dalaran Brilliance
[11:30:51:988] Spell_C::CastSpell(61316, 0, 0xF130B63700006BEE, 0) [2]
[11:30:53:325] [CLU] 2.3.3: [Raid Buff] Arcane Brilliance
[11:30:53:325] Spell_C::CastSpell(1459, 0, 0xF130B63700006BEE, 0) [3]
[11:30:54:437] [CLU] 2.3.3: [Raid Buff] Dalaran Brilliance
[11:30:54:437] Spell_C::CastSpell(61316, 0, 0xF130B63700006BEE, 0) [4]
[11:30:54:483] Spell_C::CastSpell(61316, 0, 0xF130B63700006BEE, 0) [5]
[11:30:55:616] Spell_C::CastSpell(61316, 0, 0xF130B63700006BEE, 0) [6]
[11:30:55:827] Not in game
[11:30:59:778] [CLU] 2.3.3: [Raid Buff] Arcane Brilliance
[11:30:59:778] Spell_C::CastSpell(1459, 0, 0x0, 0) [7]
[11:31:00:938] [CLU] 2.3.3: [Raid Buff] Dalaran Brilliance
[11:31:00:938] Spell_C::CastSpell(61316, 0, 0x0, 0) [8]
[11:31:02:093] [CLU] 2.3.3: [Raid Buff] Arcane Brilliance
[11:31:02:093] Spell_C::CastSpell(1459, 0, 0x0, 0) [9]
[11:31:03:238] [CLU] 2.3.3: [Raid Buff] Dalaran Brilliance
[11:31:03:238] Spell_C::CastSpell(61316, 0, 0x0, 0) [10]
[11:31:04:405] [CLU] 2.3.3: [Raid Buff] Arcane Brilliance
[11:31:04:405] Spell_C::CastSpell(1459, 0, 0x0, 0) [11]
[11:31:05:698] [CLU] 2.3.3: [Raid Buff] Dalaran Brilliance
[11:31:05:698] Spell_C::CastSpell(61316, 0, 0x0, 0) [12]
[11:31:06:889] [CLU] 2.3.3: [Raid Buff] Arcane Brilliance
[11:31:06:889] Spell_C::CastSpell(1459, 0, 0x0, 0) [13]
[11:31:07:289] Bot wird gestoppt!
[11:31:07:290] Stop called!
[11:31:07:312] Aktivit?t: Honorbuddy wurde gestoppt!
[11:31:07:316] System.ApplicationException: Cannot run Tick before running Start first!
at TreeSharp.Composite.Tick(Object context)
at Styx.Logic.BehaviorTree.TreeRoot.Tick()
[11:31:07:316] Cleared POI - Reason Exception in Root.Tick()
[11:31:07:316] Cleared POI
[11:31:12:965] Bot wird gestartet!
[11:31:13:102] Cleared POI - Reason Starting up
[11:31:13:102] Cleared POI
[11:31:13:297] [CLU] 2.3.3: [Raid Buff] Dalaran Brilliance
[11:31:13:297] Spell_C::CastSpell(61316, 0, 0x0, 0) [14]
[11:31:14:688] [CLU] 2.3.3: [Raid Buff] Arcane Brilliance
[11:31:14:688] Spell_C::CastSpell(1459, 0, 0x0, 0) [15]
[11:31:16:066] Bot wird gestoppt!
[11:31:16:066] Stop called!
[11:31:17:140] System.Threading.ThreadAbortException: Thread was being aborted.
at Styx.Logic.BehaviorTree.TreeRoot.Tick()
at Styx.Logic.BehaviorTree.TreeRoot.Run()
[11:31:17:141] System.Threading.ThreadAbortException: Thread was being aborted.
at Styx.Logic.BehaviorTree.TreeRoot.Run()

 

[Inrego]

Btw now i remember the main problem with Kitty dps. When it used berserk - it didn't use all my energy.. It had full energy all the time so I guess it didn't spam shred fast enough.

Thought I'd bump this as it's quite relevant to maintaining a high dps - it's the best burst dmg kitties have and it's being wasted.

 

[tonari]

First off i must say CLU rocks, i have used it on my dk and lock and its great but i got a question, is it possible to somehow turn the aoe off on certain fights (like spine) it tends to spam a lot of rain of fire since a lot of adds are near but actually there is no need for that(lets say the burning tended is up, it should be dpsed asap but the bot tries to aoe the adds causing a huge dps loss on the add not to mention it looks stupid), also in some hc bosses where you neglect the adds for some time to focus on others things.

 

[Venus112]

Thanks bennyquest, I cant wait for you to test the mind spike rotation (my spriest is leveling as we speak, thanks to kicks profiles). I have looked at a log that laria supplied but see nothing unusual. (The HB member that is having this issue has reported 40k dps on Ultra heroic (destro))

The Extrabuttonclick is at the top of the Behaviour tree so it should get first priority...unless something is holding it in the middle of the tree as Weischbier pointed out with the channelled spells.

I know the extra button click is in a shadders CC's but haven't read anything going wrong there.

Does anyone else have any toons - besides warlock - that can confirm it working in heroic 10 man?

It's cause we're better than you ^^

That being said i've JUST recieved 1-2 complaints about it not using the buttons on Fading Light (i'm still trying to figure out if it's cause of foreign language clients, but i can't seem to get that to match)

 

[imdasandman]

It's cause we're better than you ^^

That being said i've JUST recieved 1-2 complaints about it not using the buttons on Fading Light (i'm still trying to figure out if it's cause of foreign language clients, but i can't seem to get that to match)

we have been using the spell id's in pqr and it seems to hit for no matter what language pack the user has imo..... spell id's are universal.... have no idea why people are still using spell names imo...

I see you might be having issues with the channel thing... make the fadling light but of upmost importance to where it overides everything in the rotation when it needs to fire off... Heroic Will is off the GCD table so it should fire off no matter what.

 

[Piwielle]

Anyone tested blood ? are there better ccs for tanking heros and lfr raids?

 

[wulf]

we have been using the spell id's in pqr and it seems to hit for no matter what language pack the user has imo..... spell id's are universal.... have no idea why people are still using spell names imo...

I see you might be having issues with the channel thing... make the fadling light but of upmost importance to where it overides everything in the rotation when it needs to fire off... Heroic Will is off the GCD table so it should fire off no matter what.

Thanks imdasandman, I am currenttly working on the channel issue..but i have found out that because I use HB's "cancast" method it is checking that the current spell is complete (if I dont use it I can clip channeling) so this would also affect Fading light performance.

First off i must say CLU rocks, i have used it on my dk and lock and its great but i got a question, is it possible to somehow turn the aoe off on certain fights (like spine) it tends to spam a lot of rain of fire since a lot of adds are near but actually there is no need for that(lets say the burning tended is up, it should be dpsed asap but the bot tries to aoe the adds causing a huge dps loss on the add not to mention it looks stupid), also in some hc bosses where you neglect the adds for some time to focus on others things.

Hi tonari, thankyou. The abilitie to toggle AoE is on my todo list, I have been taking note of some stupid places where AoE is used (mind sear from spriest on Madness of DW tentacles /facepalm) watch this spot for an update. In the meantime you can of course comment "//" out the hellfire line.

Thought I'd bump this as it's quite relevant to maintaining a high dps - it's the best burst dmg kitties have and it's being wasted.

Hi Inrego, I am pretty sure its because of the gear level requirement (at least 2x T13) for CLU's kitty rotation to perform optimaly, however I will put it on my todo list to investigate.

Hi!
Have the same problem that he is always spamming arcane brilliance and dalaran brilliance with the last version of clu and hb.
in my spellbook are both spells!

Hi Mr_Hunter, after much testing I can replicate this! it seems to be happening if you start CLU and you are not grouped and have a friendly player targeted. simply clear your current target and it should stop spamming...its on my todo list to fix.

Anyone tested blood ? are there better ccs for tanking heros and lfr raids?

Hi HB5072E69, I have used CLU for blood tanking LFR with great success.


On another note, I am currently levelling three toons, priest, warrior, shaman to 85 so I will only be pushing fixes for the next week or so

 

[bennyquest]

Ok wulf,
What is our next move on shadow? How do you want me to test it? And what do you want me to do for the destro lock rotation?