First ban ever! - Only used LazyRaider!!

[Zoinx]

1)Were you using Honorbuddy, Gatherbuddy or both on the account? Honorbuddy w/ LazyRaider

2)If so, when was the last time?: October 17, 2011

3)What profile were you using?: None

4)What combat class were you using? UltimatePalaHealerBT

5)What plugins are you using?: None

6)How many hours per day did you bot for?: 3-4 hours a day/3-4 days a week

6.5)What honest percentage of time did you supervise your bot? 100%

7)How many auctions per day did you have?: 0

8)Did you Use Any Other Bots, Hacks, or Mods? No.

9)Was your account involved in gold selling? No.

10)EU or US realm? US Realm

Since everyone was confused at the screenshot I reeditted because you were taking things out of context. Everything that is HIGHLIGHTED GREEN has to deal with the account I am reporting banned. Everything HIGHLIGHTED YELLOW has to deal with the account I was talking to the GM on. Notice how in the same paragraph that I split he refers to the gold as THIS account. So everyone saying it was about a gold transfer between the accounts, please READ, RE-READ, RE-RE-READ. No gold was ever transferred to this account.

Now another crazy thing that I have never heard of or seen before also happened. The reason I opened this ticket was that 150k gold was missing from this account (this account had 3 Firelords, including my other Realm First Heroic Rag toon). They told me the gold was obtained illegally and that they could not verify that I won a guild raffle (which I actually did, 200k, the second to last raffle we had before Blizzcon, they held another one [my guild] at Blizzcon and gave away 500k to a Hunter). They told me that I got the gold illegally from one of my botting accounts and they would not restore it. Immediately after this, the account I was on got banned.

I put in a web support form, they immediately reversed the ban, but would not restore the gold (its ok, I have nearly 7.8 million on my alt guild bank). It was just weird that they took 150k, randomly might I add, from my account, didn't ban me, didn't ban my farm accounts, or any other accounts I had.

 

[lynar]

damn.. so it's detected or? using it atm :S

 

[Altoids]

Sorry to hear about your account... what kind of toon was it - aka, Ret Pally using so and so CC? Would like to have the details in case there are other similar bans in the future... then we can see if there is a patter with the class or CC of toon specifically and not just LazyRaider or HB.

I use LazyRaider alot myself... that's how I do Bgs.

 

[womping]

Dam...sorry to here about your account looking at the log really make ya think now eh..was this on US r EU

 

[Lovemonkey]

damn.. so it's detected or? using it atm :S

It isnt, but if hes playing for 24hours a day 3 days non stop then if they look into it and check what route hes been running its pretty obvious.

 

[panYama]

do you use any other bots or used any, before using hb?

 

[Zoinx]

do you use any other bots or used any, before using hb?

Nope, HB is the only bot I've ever used. That Paladin was transferred to that account bout 7 months ago. Got Realm-First Rag Heroic Kill and was considering selling it now as I have 3 other toons on my main account that are all FL's that I find more interesting.

On my other account I do use ArchBuddy and BGBot, but like I said never used it on the account that got banned for using a 'confirmed bot'. Only LazyRaider. I am going to stop using it for a while now, see what happens in the future I guess and see if more bans like this start popping up.

 

[Kink]

Nope, HB is the only bot I've ever used. That Paladin was transferred to that account bout 7 months ago. Got Realm-First Rag Heroic Kill and was considering selling it now as I have 3 other toons on my main account that are all FL's that I find more interesting.

On my other account I do use ArchBuddy and BGBot, but like I said never used it on the account that got banned for using a 'confirmed bot'. Only LazyRaider. I am going to stop using it for a while now, see what happens in the future I guess and see if more bans like this start popping up.

I mean, I could see some little 10 year old reporting you because you got top DPS over him or something, just the risks of doing that I guess...sorry for the loss, you learned something though and can now take actions to prevent it from happening again.

 

[kirewade]

i call bs

 

[Zoinx]

I mean, I could see some little 10 year old reporting you because you got top DPS over him or something, just the risks of doing that I guess...sorry for the loss, you learned something though and can now take actions to prevent it from happening again.

Server First Heroic Ragnaros. If you think someone reported me for being top DPS you are clearly mistaken as first off I am a Holy Paladin, second off, its race for Realm First/World Firsts (we were top 25) if you are not at the peak of your game, there are replacements standing by waiting.

 

[Zoinx]

i call bs

That's nice. Been using HB a long time, just going to stop for a while with LazyRaider. Just wanted to give everyone a heads up that someone about HB/LazyRaider/UltimatePalaHealerBT flags you as a 'confirmed bot'.

EDIT: I see kick deleted my post responding to his post, along with his. Thanks you.

 

[Megser]

That's nice. Been using HB a long time, just going to stop for a while with LazyRaider. Just wanted to give everyone a heads up that someone about HB/LazyRaider/UltimatePalaHealerBT flags you as a 'confirmed bot'.

EDIT: I see kick deleted my post responding to his post, along with his. Thanks you.

Sorry for your loss man, some weird shit tbh.

 

[benkoren]

This story is pretty unsettling if it's true. "The exploitation that occurred on that account seems to have occurred for as long as our data has access to the logs - which is over a year." This means that the data Blizz is collecting data pointing toward an exploitation, yet they let you run just fine for over a year. It seems to me that something had to have tipped them off to look into the data. Maybe it was something you did, maybe it's something they look into for anyone who has already killed Deathwing. Regardless, they claim to have the data.

They claim they have the data despite not necessarily looking at it until provoked - that is the part that's unsettling. Can we get any insight from an HB dev as to what they may have been tracking?

Also, just to cover our bases, can you confirm that:
- running HB as administrator
- not using LazyRaider's movement functionality
- nobody in-game knows that this account is being botted on (I can imagine a jealous friend see you got 8/8 with a bot and report you)
- HB wasn't crashing wow.exe all the time - and if it did, you didn't send them a crash report with their bug submitter
- the account never received gold from another one of your farming accounts (obviously they're tracking where that gold is going)
- the account has never used another bot (ex: Pirox) - you started the account up yourself from scratch rather than purchasing a pre-made
- you have an authenticator attached to the account
- no RAF bot accounts attached to this one

Thanks for the report, sorry for the loss.

- Ben

 

[Zoinx]

1 running HB as administrator
2 not using LazyRaider's movement functionality
3 nobody in-game knows that this account is being botted on (I can imagine a jealous friend see you got 8/8 with a bot and report you)
4 HB wasn't crashing wow.exe all the time - and if it did, you didn't send them a crash report with their bug submitter
5 the account never received gold from another one of your farming accounts (obviously they're tracking where that gold is going)
6 the account has never used another bot (ex: Pirox) - you started the account up yourself from scratch rather than purchasing a pre-made
7 you have an authenticator attached to the account
8 no RAF bot accounts attached to this one

1. Yep, I believe this is the only way to run HB?
2. Yep, movement disabled. You have to do any raids. Never heard of letting the bot control movement, much less wouldn't dream of it on Heroic Rag.
3. Select full of RL friends know I bot, but none are on this server/haven't played with them in well over two years. My old guild knew I botted, but that was different account that I still have, they know I am a HC raider, but don't know my server/toons.
4. I rarely get crashes anymore since I turned off Windows Auto-Update, but only has happened a few times and I never send in the reports, just for the reason I have no idea what it is sending.
5. Nope, the gold me and the GM were talking about in the window was the account I was on, 150k disappeared that I got from my gbank, but the account had received gold from botting account before. They somehow are saying the gold was from an old botting account, but can't prove it (again, none of this has anything to do with the Pally account, I just happened to ask the GM to look into the old account and tell me exactly why it was banned).
6. Nope, I've only ever used HB and this was a fresh account about 6-7 months old and I am the OO of the account, bought all the codes digitally from the Blizz store.
7. No authenticator on that account, only on my main one as I only have one phone, one mobile authenticator, and never puchased the authenticator from Blizz. I do know my account was never used by anyone else as I play US realms and I am in Germany (stationed with the US Army). If someone were to log on, the account gets locked, even someone in Germany. When I log on accounts at a internet cafe thing on base, the account locks, even though they are both German IPs.
8. No RAF on this account, I bought 6 months gametime originally and was paying by the month now that I was tempted to sell it.

 

[djunemployed]

Thread is making me extremely nervous. Think they caught on?

 

[hi1674]

My opinion is the big gold transfer that is the trigger.

I also saw someone claim that they might have seen a pattern for routes etc.

LazyRaider is manual moving only.

 

[Dubbelu]

Lazyraid can't be the trigger, unless the entire bot was detected. So either they are giving you a bullshit story because they just dont trust the gold you got, or there is some info missing.

 

[Venus112]

Ok, let's stop this.
If this was detected, you think there'd only be one posting a ban on the 4th of december?
There'd be tons of ban reports and they'd close down HB/GB untill they found a solution.

There's not many patterns in using LazyRaider, only thing that's slightly repeating is the rotation and even that is easy to mimick.
Saying that UltimatePalaHealerBT flags you as a bot, can be a interpreted as you haven't done no configuration on the bot.
If set up properly, there's no way in hell that they'd notice.
Also, if they did - i bet you, the person reporting you for using UPAHBT is a botter himself.

Sorry for your loss, but people dont think that HB/GB all of the sudden started being detected
If you get banned, it's more likely that you made a mistake along the way, like running the bot too long, you sent 150k to another account, you had 1 billion auctions on the AH (like the GB people running with 10k auctions of elementium)

 

[Zoinx]

Guess people really can't read so I will edit the first post later.

THE ACCOUNT THAT WAS BANNED THAT THE GM REFERRED TO AS A "CONFIRMED BOT" ONLY HAD LAZY RAIDER USED ON IT.

NOTHING ELSE. NO 24/7 FARMING, NO BGBOT, NO GATHERBUDDY, LAZYRAIDER FOR 3-4 HOURS OF RAIDING 3-4 DAYS A WEEK.

NO BIG GOLD TRANSFERS, NO AUCTIONS ON THE AUCTION HOUSE. BEING IN A HARDCORE GUILD, I GET FLASKS, FEASTS, POTIONS, ENCHANTS, GEMS FROM THE GUILD BANK. AS MY REPAIRS ALSO GET PAID FROM THE GUILD BANK.



Sweet fucking Jesus Christ. If your not going to read what I type, please go flame somewhere else. Am I saying HB or anything that has to do with HB is detected? NO. What I do know is I only used LazyRaider on this BRAND NEW account that was only SEVEN MONTHS OLD 3-4 hours a night for 3-4 days a week. THAT'S IT NOTHING ELSE ON THE ACCOUNT. Is it that really hard to understand?



If you look at the screenshot form the GM, the gold he is referring to is from the account I was talking to him on, NOT THE ONE THAT WAS BANNED. Only reason he talked about the other account is I kept asking why it was banned over and over and he finally got "approval from his supervisor" to tell me. Everything about gold in the Screenshot refers to the account I was on, which NEVER HAD INTERACTION WITH THE OTHER ACCOUNT. ONLY THING THEY HAVE IN COMMON IS MY FIRST AND LAST NAME, which made me surprised the guy even answered the question cause they are not on the same b.net either.

 

[LiquidAtoR]

Hope you don't mind me asking, but did u use both accounts from the same IP/MAC?
If that's the case then they are linked regardlessly of what you did or didn't do on either of em.

Because you 'abused' the other account both get striked down on suspect of using a bot on the first one too?
Just thinking along. Specially since it was so high rated with realm first etc.
Just thinking of that other guild, believe it's called Paragon. Those guys are disected every time they do something realm first (for cheats or bots, because they generally are first to do things).

I highly doubt it's lazyraider, because as stated before there would be a bucketload of bans already.
Something got linked along the way, either payment method, IP/MAC, hardware profile etc. They collect alot more info than we think they do.

Either way sorry for your loss.
Regards, Liquid.