Official statement as to why was the old HB discontinued?

[kkkevin]

Hmm, I found the version that came after 4620 also not stable and reverted to 4620 directly after, and since then I've only been using it. This tells me the current version is still not stable..?

So basically I can't bot anymore?



I'm in EU so patchday is today and I'm still at work so I did not find out for myself yet till tonight probably...

Really? I found the 4928 or whatever it was with the new UI to be infinitely more stable. I constantly got crashes and session invalids with the 4620, but never with the one that came after.

 

[seafunk]

And it would only take an hour or so for them to update the old version. Imagine that!

 

[Zoinx]

1) 4928 is more stable than 4260.
- If that statement is not true for you, then you did something wrong. Try COMPLETELY deleting ALL honorbuddy files from your computer and make a COMPLETELY NEW FRESH install.

2) Things change. Look at the chance from Windows XP to Vista.
- Vista was HORRIBLE compared to XP, and talk about a memory hog...

3) Developers do just that, they DEVELOP.
- New stuff comes out and the old stuff isn't updated. 4.2 just came out for WoW. WTF? I liked 4.1 WAY BETTER!!! Lets all go on the forums and ask why the fuck Blizzard discontinued 4.1 and FORCED ME to upgrade to 4.2.

 

[btaddict]

1) 4928 is more stable than 4260.
- If that statement is not true for you, then you did something wrong. Try COMPLETELY deleting ALL honorbuddy files from your computer and make a COMPLETELY NEW FRESH install.

2) Things change. Look at the chance from Windows XP to Vista.
- Vista was HORRIBLE compared to XP, and talk about a memory hog...

3) Developers do just that, they DEVELOP.
- New stuff comes out and the old stuff isn't updated. 4.2 just came out for WoW. WTF? I liked 4.1 WAY BETTER!!! Lets all go on the forums and ask why the fuck Blizzard discontinued 4.1 and FORCED ME to upgrade to 4.2.

Yes and no.

1. it really depends what you use the bot for. For me, the profiles and CCs I want to use, with a fresh install of HB otherwise are NOT compiling and/or working. I'd say that's pretty broken and I didn't do anything wrong. I placed the profile and CC into the folder as required by the respective download. If you want to use Singular...which I really don't want to, if only on principle at this point..it might be OK for the CC...but it still breaks for some profiles.

2. you can still use windows xp if you choose to, you are not forced to switch to Vista (unless you want dual monitor sli, blah blah blah..other useless crap)

3. Developing whilst breaking existing functionality is not a good business practice. if you think it is...you're looking at going under real quick as you will be losing your existing client base before you even knew what hit you.

It works for you, good job...it doesn't work for us.

 

[Zoinx]

Yes and no.

1. it really depends what you use the bot for. For me, the profiles and CCs I want to use, with a fresh install of HB otherwise are NOT compiling and/or working. I'd say that's pretty broken and I didn't do anything wrong. I placed the profile and CC into the folder as required by the respective download. If you want to use Singular...which I really don't want to, if only on principle at this point..it might be OK for the CC...but it still breaks for some profiles.

2. you can still use windows xp if you choose to, you are not forced to switch to Vista (unless you want dual monitor sli, blah blah blah..other useless crap)

3. Developing whilst breaking existing functionality is not a good business practice. if you think it is...you're looking at going under real quick as you will be losing your existing client base before you even knew what hit you.

It works for you, good job...it doesn't work for us.

1. I am using Kicks profiles for Alliance and the Azenius Profiles for Horde and for later horde Bottcrazy or w/es Northrend questing profile then back to Kicks Neutral for Hyjal and Uldum. All of them work fine for me, as do all the gathering profiles I made myself, no adjustments were needed on ANY of them. As for CC's, I use all Fpsware CC's for classes and ShamWoW for Shaman. All are updated and as of right now, my Priest, Paladin, Hunter, Mage (All Fpsware) and Shammy (ShamWoW) are running perfectly. So no idea what your HB's problem is.

2. To you dual monitor sli, blah blah blah is useless class, to others it's not. Stuff gets updated and life moves on. Old builds are left in the dark. Is Firefox 3 still updated? Is Internet Explorer 6 still updated? Lets take something newer. How about all the software features in the new iPhone. Why can't iPhone 2g or 3g have that? Life moves on, such does technology.

3. Again, WHATS BROKE? Plugins are broke? There are new APIs/functions that needed to be used and the old ones are discontinued/better functions are out. If profile/CC/plugin writers don't adapt, that is there problem. How come we are moving from Flash to HTML5 now? Thats pull, lets petition to stop technological advancements because we have something that works, but is not great. How come cars aren't made out of pure steel chasis anymore? Thats fucked up also, lets get on Ford and GM to bring them back.

If things aren't working for you, then message the profile/cc/plugin writers to get with times and update their file.s

 

[seafunk]

There are still parts of Honorbuddy working fine, but that's not the issue. You obviously don't realize what people are complaining about, you don't have a skinner, you haven't tried to level a dk, you haven't had crashes it seems either, you are obviously not running 12 sessions, so memory is not an issue either. You've been fine and I'm glad you are. Others are not fine though and are experiencing major problems which have been described in detail even if they do not apply to you.

I've been working with flawed bots for a while and I've always been okay with it. It comes with the practice of memory writing against the will of the game developers. That's not the point. The point is, we are experiencing a loss of functionality with little to no gain and that this loss could easily be avoided. Regarding your "3.": Like I said in the initial post, the broken plugins pose the least (!) of all problems. I'm happy if you're fine right now and a lot of my toons are fine as well, specifically those that are lvl85 or the ones using Kick's profiles. There are far more worrysome issues though and to me the number one issue is, that any sort of comment by the developers is avoided altogether. The test phase was less than a month if I'm not mistaken and all of a sudden I wake up with a big steaming pile of shit next to me and no explanation why this was necessary. Of course I'm going on with botting, will continue to use HB for now in hopes to get everything fixed, but the reason I made this thread was to either get a statement why the old version was dropped so quickly without warning or the reassurance that the problems users are experiencing are in fact being addressed or (utopically) the developers realizing what they are doing to their customers and gving 4260 new offsets...

 

[Anonuzer01]

1) 4928 is more stable than 4260.
- If that statement is not true for you, then you did something wrong. Try COMPLETELY deleting ALL honorbuddy files from your computer and make a COMPLETELY NEW FRESH install.

Making a blanket statement like this is completely asinine. Just cause it works for you on your system doesn't mean it's going to work for Joe on his system. There are just too many different hardware/software configurations to simply state, "it works for me, if it doesn't for you, you're an idiot basically."

I've been using HB for quite awhile and am one of the people that rarely complain about anything and have been very satisifed overall. But no, I would disagree that the latest version is more stable than 4620. I could run 4620 for hours with no issues...and I still can with the latest release using Gatherbuddy2. However, I've tried running the quest bot using both Kick's Deepholme questing, and TWLion's Twilight Horde profiles and I've seen nav errors, random shut downs, etc. And I promise you, I'm pretty good at diagnosing and fixing my own problems.

2) Things change. Look at the chance from Windows XP to Vista.
- Vista was HORRIBLE compared to XP, and talk about a memory hog...

Agreed-but there are people still running XP, Vista, and Win 7-which is 90% the point I was trying to make in Line 1.

3) Developers do just that, they DEVELOP.
- New stuff comes out and the old stuff isn't updated. 4.2 just came out for WoW. WTF? I liked 4.1 WAY BETTER!!! Lets all go on the forums and ask why the fuck Blizzard discontinued 4.1 and FORCED ME to upgrade to 4.2.

Just seems to me a better use of DEV time would be to perfect the stuff that has already been implemented before trying to add new features. And really, the GUI we had was working. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Especially when that time could be used to work on things that aren't working 100%. And personally speaking, I am not a big fan of the new GUI.

/filler

 

[btaddict]

What really gets me right now is that even according to the developers we don't currently have a stable release.

Is the test version working?...well..sorta, as long as you don't expect too much of it...my wow crashes every time I try to stop a bot (more-so with LazyRaider, though...and it's probably an issue with the botbase and not as much HB...but it wasn't happening in 4260...and since lazyraider did not change...well..I hate to point fingers...) some profiles work...some don't. Can i switch profiles..I guess, but i would have to go find a new profile to fix something that wasn't broken 2 days ago in the RELEASE version.

your argument of "shit moves on" (i'm paraphrasing, of course) is not really valid since the "shit" is still usable....IE5, Firefox, windows98, 95, 3.1, etc. I don't WANT new features...take away the gui...give me a version of 4260 that works with 4.2 and i'll shut up, for the most part and would realize that i would not receive any bug fixes, etc for existing issues and that i would have to go to the "TEST" version for the latest and greatest

 

[Zoinx]

First thing, skinning:

I solved one of your problems, next is your problem with profiles, CC's and plugins (including your beloved relogger).

Were those made by HB? They are all USER CREATED. You purchased a product from a DEVELOPER and rely on USER CREATED content to use the programing that the DEVELOPERS made for you if the DEVELOPER makes changes, for the better, to functions that are to be used in it's products, the USER CREATED content needs to adapt. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

It has been ONE day since the patch came out and the updated bot was created and given to the USERS THAT CREATE USER CREATED PRODUCTS. Give them time and they will DEVELOP profiles/CC's/plugins that work better in your eyes.

 

[Tony]

Why are you discontinuing to update the offsets on our beloved old HB version?[/B]

its the same Hb,what are you talking about?

some bugs on new test Hb release doesnt mean that this is a new Hb

our aim is to make Hb better and better,thats our road

 

[Kickazz006]

a few reasons

mainly because white is annoying to stare at for 100-200 hours a month and i QQ'd about it

 

[btaddict]

First thing, skinning:

I solved one of your problems, next is your problem with profiles, CC's and plugins (including your beloved relogger).

Dude, HB not skinning even with the option checked is a known bug....it's actually broken, we're not idiots.
why don't you go "fix" it some more...

 

[btaddict]

its the same Hb,what are you talking about?

some bugs on new test Hb release doesnt mean that this is a new Hb

our aim is to make Hb better and better,thats our road

Tony, if this is NOT a new version..then you really broke the old one.
I think we were giving you the benefit of the doubt that this is the "new beta"...are you saying you MEANT TO break it?

 

[Tony]

Tony, if this is NOT a new version..then you really broke the old one.
I think we were giving you the benefit of the doubt that this is the "new beta"...are you saying you MEANT TO break it?

i have never told that its not a new version,OP never said that too
he is talking about a "new" Hb and a discontinued old Hb

so with that as a base this thread is not "valid"


the only diff is the ui,Hb(core and stuff) is the same

so for your bug reports you know what to do

thread closed

 

[Kickazz006]

Dude, HB not skinning even with the option checked is a known bug....it's actually broken, we're not idiots.
why don't you go "fix" it some more...

If you have an issue, explain it thoroughly and provide logs / ss's as needed in the release / beta thread (whichever applies) and use the bugtracker

If you cannot do this, then I don't know what to tell you