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Fpsware Death Knight - what do you want in a DK CC?
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I have been leveling 2 DK's and all of the CC's for PvP are really not good. The only one that is avg is Simple DK because in frost it actually roots with chains of ice. Also all of the CC when in PvP look like retards when a player is moving. They will constantly move but stop several feet from and try to attack...then try to move..and its retarded. Can they just like Run right ontop of the player in order to try to CC him or attack.
I agree, i think Dks are best for PvP to get heirlooms and now justice points, just need a good cc
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The use of racial abilities would be good like the Draenei healing ability, the tauren warstomp and the use other racial abilities 
this site may help Death Knight Rotations for Frost Blood and Unholy
DnD - Death and Decay
IT - Icy Touch
PS - Plague Strike
BT - Blood Tap
BB - Bloodboil
DS - Death Strike
SS - Scourge Strike
RS - Runic Strike
BS - Blood Strike
HB - Howling Blast
HoW - Horn of Winter
HS - Heart Strike
FS - Frost Strike
RM - Rime
OB - Obliterate
PEST - Pestilence
DRW - Dancing Rune Weapon
Ghoul - Summon Ghoul
Blood Rotation(single target):
Is now priority based.
Diseases up
Rune Strike
Death Strike
Make sure Scarlet Fever is up if not Plague Strike, Blood Boil
Heart Strike
Icy Touch
AoE Rotation:
DnD
Diseases up + Pestilence
Make sure Scarlet Fever is up if not Plague Strike, Blood Boil
Death Strike
Blood Boil
Heart Strike
Rune Strike
Icy Touch
AOE trash groups:
DnD -> IT -> PS -> Pest -> BB -> DS and continue to spam DS and BB till dead.
Next group put diseases up and blood boil a bunch.. repeat and use DnD at start when available, note DPS has to give you time to spread diseases or they will pull agro.
Blood Rotation(AOE):
Priority Based now
DnD
Diseases up + Pestilence
Make sure Scarlet Fever is up if not Plague Strike, Blood Boil
Death Strike
Blood Boil
Heart Strike
Rune Strike
Icy Touch
On low HP groups:
DnD -> IT -> PS -> Pest -> BB -> DS and continue to spam DS and BB till dead.
Frost DPS Rotation(single target):
(DW uses Frost Presence, 2H uses Unholy Presence):
Diseases up (FF apply with Howling Blast)
Obliterate
Blood Strike
Frost Strike
Rime
HoW
Frost DPS Rotation(AOE):
AoE Rotation Priority(done in Frost Presence):
Howling Blast
Death and Decay
Plague Strike
Frost Strike
Horn of Winter
Unholy DPS rotation(single target):
Unholy Rotations for patch 4.0.1 have moved to a priority system.
(DPS done in Unholy Presence):
Diseases Up
Dark Transformation Active
Scourge Strike (U F)
Festering Strike (B F)
Death Coil on Sudden Doom proc
HoW
AoE Rotation (DPS done in Frost Presence)
Diseases up and spread to everything with Pestilence.
Dark Transformation Active
Death and Decay
Scourge Strike
Blood Boil + Icy Touch if BB and FF runes up.
Death Coil on Sudden Doom proc
HoW
Unholy DPS Rotation(AOE):
(DPS done in Frost Presence)
Diseases up and spread to everything with Pestilence.
Dark Transformation Active
Death and Decay
Scourge Strike
Blood Boil + Icy Touch if BB and FF runes up.
Death Coil on Sudden Doom proc
HoW
DnD - Death and Decay
IT - Icy Touch
PS - Plague Strike
BT - Blood Tap
BB - Bloodboil
DS - Death Strike
SS - Scourge Strike
RS - Runic Strike
BS - Blood Strike
HB - Howling Blast
HoW - Horn of Winter
HS - Heart Strike
FS - Frost Strike
RM - Rime
OB - Obliterate
PEST - Pestilence
DRW - Dancing Rune Weapon
Ghoul - Summon Ghoul
Blood Rotation(single target):
Is now priority based.
Diseases up
Rune Strike
Death Strike
Make sure Scarlet Fever is up if not Plague Strike, Blood Boil
Heart Strike
Icy Touch
AoE Rotation:
DnD
Diseases up + Pestilence
Make sure Scarlet Fever is up if not Plague Strike, Blood Boil
Death Strike
Blood Boil
Heart Strike
Rune Strike
Icy Touch
AOE trash groups:
DnD -> IT -> PS -> Pest -> BB -> DS and continue to spam DS and BB till dead.
Next group put diseases up and blood boil a bunch.. repeat and use DnD at start when available, note DPS has to give you time to spread diseases or they will pull agro.
Blood Rotation(AOE):
Priority Based now
DnD
Diseases up + Pestilence
Make sure Scarlet Fever is up if not Plague Strike, Blood Boil
Death Strike
Blood Boil
Heart Strike
Rune Strike
Icy Touch
On low HP groups:
DnD -> IT -> PS -> Pest -> BB -> DS and continue to spam DS and BB till dead.
Frost DPS Rotation(single target):
(DW uses Frost Presence, 2H uses Unholy Presence):
Diseases up (FF apply with Howling Blast)
Obliterate
Blood Strike
Frost Strike
Rime
HoW
Frost DPS Rotation(AOE):
AoE Rotation Priority(done in Frost Presence):
Howling Blast
Death and Decay
Plague Strike
Frost Strike
Horn of Winter
Unholy DPS rotation(single target):
Unholy Rotations for patch 4.0.1 have moved to a priority system.
(DPS done in Unholy Presence):
Diseases Up
Dark Transformation Active
Scourge Strike (U F)
Festering Strike (B F)
Death Coil on Sudden Doom proc
HoW
AoE Rotation (DPS done in Frost Presence)
Diseases up and spread to everything with Pestilence.
Dark Transformation Active
Death and Decay
Scourge Strike
Blood Boil + Icy Touch if BB and FF runes up.
Death Coil on Sudden Doom proc
HoW
Unholy DPS Rotation(AOE):
(DPS done in Frost Presence)
Diseases up and spread to everything with Pestilence.
Dark Transformation Active
Death and Decay
Scourge Strike
Blood Boil + Icy Touch if BB and FF runes up.
Death Coil on Sudden Doom proc
HoW
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MegaManNLD
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The one thing I really miss, is have a Blood rotation (tanking) without the deseases.
From lvl 70 it's possible to tank like this and it gives u a great dps aswell.
Skills to use: DnD & DG to start the fight (or IT/BB when they're on cd) / HS & BB to get aggro with 1+ mobs / spam HS / and use RS as much as possible.
Use DRW and Ghoul when u're on a boss for extra aggro and a healthpack
One thing to notice is to switch targets when u have 3+ group on u. (Cause HS only hits 1 + 2 targets)
Really worth mentioning in my opinion!!
From lvl 70 it's possible to tank like this and it gives u a great dps aswell.
Skills to use: DnD & DG to start the fight (or IT/BB when they're on cd) / HS & BB to get aggro with 1+ mobs / spam HS / and use RS as much as possible.
Use DRW and Ghoul when u're on a boss for extra aggro and a healthpack
One thing to notice is to switch targets when u have 3+ group on u. (Cause HS only hits 1 + 2 targets)
Really worth mentioning in my opinion!!
Agree 110%
I was looking today to see how hard something like this would be to create.
I love the ability I have with my War and Shaman (War with Gladiatore) and Shaman with Shamwow to be able to completely disable it from doing anything except my rotation basically. Gladiatore has no movement and such and Shamwow you can disable Movement and Targeting, so it just does what it needs to do while you navigate.
I have messed with this on my DK using Simple CC and SimpleDK with the setting to disable all movement. But it doesnt stop targeting which makes it want to attack whenever it gets agroed, instead of letting me control the char and keep moving unless I want to fight.
I been playing my Blood DK alot in PVP and would love to just have a small CC that will handle the Combat part for him whenever I initiate combat, dont move or do anything else, just combat if initiated.
I know the op asked for features, and a couple requests are below, but wanted to address some fuzzy logic too. Names of some abilities may be wrong.
Always put up both diseases to start (damage debuff on target) so it + ps depending on level.
Dont bb on 1+ mobs, as you pointed out, hs hits 1+2 so use bb on 4+ targets, even on pulls (if you can tab tank even better)
Tab tanking on multiple mobs based on threat ftw.
Save rs for when all runes are on cooldown as a filler and rp dump. Try not to let it cap but prio is runes (missed rune = missed attack).
Use rune tap on cooldown.
Lichborne and self deathcoil for heals.
Empowered rune weapon as an oh shit in case low health and then spam ds as needed.
Disease > deathstrike > heartstrike > rune strike.
^^ simplified, not taking in to account damage, buffs, rp cap, damage mitigation^^
Substitute 1 hs for blood tap when taking unsustainable damage.
Intelligent interrupts would be good, dk's do have 3 afterall, coupled with ams if needed (but not popped "just because")
Randomly tell the dps they should be attacking the tanks target and to focus you
In frost > snaring using chains of ice then howling blast would be awesome.
In unholy> just don't bug out when pet targets something
Always put up both diseases to start (damage debuff on target) so it + ps depending on level.
Dont bb on 1+ mobs, as you pointed out, hs hits 1+2 so use bb on 4+ targets, even on pulls (if you can tab tank even better)
Tab tanking on multiple mobs based on threat ftw.
Save rs for when all runes are on cooldown as a filler and rp dump. Try not to let it cap but prio is runes (missed rune = missed attack).
Use rune tap on cooldown.
Lichborne and self deathcoil for heals.
Empowered rune weapon as an oh shit in case low health and then spam ds as needed.
Disease > deathstrike > heartstrike > rune strike.
^^ simplified, not taking in to account damage, buffs, rp cap, damage mitigation^^
Substitute 1 hs for blood tap when taking unsustainable damage.
Intelligent interrupts would be good, dk's do have 3 afterall, coupled with ams if needed (but not popped "just because")
Randomly tell the dps they should be attacking the tanks target and to focus you
In frost > snaring using chains of ice then howling blast would be awesome.
In unholy> just don't bug out when pet targets something
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I'll still looking for feedback on this.
Thanks to everyone who has given suggestion so far.
As with all my CCs it will do the following:
* All trees are supported
* Lazy Raider (built-in) see the Advanced tab in any of my other CCs
* Fully customisable UI
* Utilise as many spells as possible
I'll be investigating the possibility of a 100% fully customiseable priority based rotation system. IE, in the UI you select the order spells will be cast and when/how they will be cast. This is only a remote possibility and may never see the light of day, but it is something I've wanted to do for a while now.
Thanks to everyone who has given suggestion so far.
As with all my CCs it will do the following:
* All trees are supported
* Lazy Raider (built-in) see the Advanced tab in any of my other CCs
* Fully customisable UI
* Utilise as many spells as possible
I'll be investigating the possibility of a 100% fully customiseable priority based rotation system. IE, in the UI you select the order spells will be cast and when/how they will be cast. This is only a remote possibility and may never see the light of day, but it is something I've wanted to do for a while now.
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I need some advise from those who play a DK - its been a while for me so I'm asking you.
For EACH of the settings, tell me how YOU would configure the options for all 3 specs, Frost, Blood, Unholy. Almost all have the following options:
... always
... never
... only on adds
... only on 3+ adds
... only on 4+ adds
... only on 5+ adds
Some spells [Pestilence, Blood Boil, Obliterate] also have the follow options:
... only on 1+ disease
... only on 2+ disease
... only on 3+ disease
Some are obvious, they are in the top of the specific tree and have a clear situational, Mind Freeze, Strangulate etc don't worry about that. But for the most part I need you to tell me how you would setup this DK.
This is the configuration I'm using for Blood spec:
For EACH of the settings, tell me how YOU would configure the options for all 3 specs, Frost, Blood, Unholy. Almost all have the following options:
... always
... never
... only on adds
... only on 3+ adds
... only on 4+ adds
... only on 5+ adds
Some spells [Pestilence, Blood Boil, Obliterate] also have the follow options:
... only on 1+ disease
... only on 2+ disease
... only on 3+ disease
Some are obvious, they are in the top of the specific tree and have a clear situational, Mind Freeze, Strangulate etc don't worry about that. But for the most part I need you to tell me how you would setup this DK.
This is the configuration I'm using for Blood spec:
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Yes, this CC is working with all of these spells. So far this CC has had a total of 5 hours development (from scratch) - its screaming along. I've only been able to get my DK to 61 so I 've not been able to test all spells yet.
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I will release the beta in due course. I'll be doing a lot more testing first, most likely getting this newest DK to 85.
EDIT: A lucky few may get a beta test, but that is still going to be a couple weeks away.
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Here is what I would use for Frost and Blood specs. I can't help with Unholy as it's not a spec I play.
[Frost]
Heart Strike - Never
Blood Strike - Never
Frost Strike - Always - Best used as a dump when at full RP. Use as alternative to Obliterate when Killing Machine procs if OB is on 2+ sec CD.
Icy Touch - Never; Always use Howling Blast
Scourge Strike - Never
Plague Strike - Once to get disease up
Death Coil - Only if out of range of Frost Strike
Unholy Frenzy - Never/Unavailable
Mind Freeze - Always
Strangulate - Always
Death and Decay - Only on Adds
Pestilence - Only on Adds
Blood Boil - Never
Chains of Ice - Only on runners
Obliterate - Always; with 2 diseases; When Killing Machine procs and CD is <2s.
Anti-Magic Shell - Always
Rune Weapon - Only on Adds
Gargoyle - Never/Unavailable
Howling Blast - Always; Use in place of Icy Touch
Pillar of Frost - Always
Hungering Cold - Only on Adds
Presence - Unholy Presence
Death Strike - Always; Low HP
Rune Tap - Never
Bone Shield - Never/Unavailable
[Blood]
Heart Strike - Always
Blood Strike - Never
Frost Strike - Never
Icy Touch - Always; to get disease up
Scourge Strike - Never
Plague Strike - Always; to get disease up
Death Coil - Always
Unholy Frenzy - Never/Unavailable
Mind Freeze - Always
Strangulate - Always
Death and Decay - Only on adds
Pestilence - Only on adds
Blood Boil - Always on talent proc *Crimson Scourge* - Free cast of Blood Boil
Chains of Ice - Only on runners
Obliterate - Never
Anti-Magic Shell - Always
Rune Weapon - Only on adds
Gargoyle - Never/Unavailable
Howling Blast - Never/Unavailable
Pillar of Frost - Never/Unavailable
Hungering Cold - Never/Unavailable
Presence - Unholy Presence
Death Strike - Always; Main attack; regardless of HP
Rune Tap - Only on adds
Bone Shield - Always
Hope that helps.
[Frost]
Heart Strike - Never
Blood Strike - Never
Frost Strike - Always - Best used as a dump when at full RP. Use as alternative to Obliterate when Killing Machine procs if OB is on 2+ sec CD.
Icy Touch - Never; Always use Howling Blast
Scourge Strike - Never
Plague Strike - Once to get disease up
Death Coil - Only if out of range of Frost Strike
Unholy Frenzy - Never/Unavailable
Mind Freeze - Always
Strangulate - Always
Death and Decay - Only on Adds
Pestilence - Only on Adds
Blood Boil - Never
Chains of Ice - Only on runners
Obliterate - Always; with 2 diseases; When Killing Machine procs and CD is <2s.
Anti-Magic Shell - Always
Rune Weapon - Only on Adds
Gargoyle - Never/Unavailable
Howling Blast - Always; Use in place of Icy Touch
Pillar of Frost - Always
Hungering Cold - Only on Adds
Presence - Unholy Presence
Death Strike - Always; Low HP
Rune Tap - Never
Bone Shield - Never/Unavailable
[Blood]
Heart Strike - Always
Blood Strike - Never
Frost Strike - Never
Icy Touch - Always; to get disease up
Scourge Strike - Never
Plague Strike - Always; to get disease up
Death Coil - Always
Unholy Frenzy - Never/Unavailable
Mind Freeze - Always
Strangulate - Always
Death and Decay - Only on adds
Pestilence - Only on adds
Blood Boil - Always on talent proc *Crimson Scourge* - Free cast of Blood Boil
Chains of Ice - Only on runners
Obliterate - Never
Anti-Magic Shell - Always
Rune Weapon - Only on adds
Gargoyle - Never/Unavailable
Howling Blast - Never/Unavailable
Pillar of Frost - Never/Unavailable
Hungering Cold - Never/Unavailable
Presence - Unholy Presence
Death Strike - Always; Main attack; regardless of HP
Rune Tap - Only on adds
Bone Shield - Always
Hope that helps.
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