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HP Z800 can handle how many vmw?

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HP Z800 can handle how many vmw? need help :((

Dear all,
I want to buy 1 PC HP Z800 with the following configuration:

HP, chipset Intel 5520. Support Raid 0-1
2 Cpu Intel X5550 Xeon Quad Core 2.66GHz, 8MB, 6.4GT/s
24GB DDR3 ECC Reg bus 1600MHz
Nvidia Quadro 2000, 1GB-128bit


HP Z800 can handle how many vmw? change VGA to 750 Ti is better ? im need to help

Thank
 
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godlike912 said:
Dear all,
I want to buy 1 PC HP Z800 with the following configuration:
HP, chipset Intel 5520. Support Raid 0-1
2 Cpu Intel X5550 Xeon Quad Core 2.66GHz, 8MB, 6.4GT/s
24GB DDR3 ECC Reg bus 1600MHz
Nvidia Quadro 2000, 1GB-128bit
HP Z800 can handle how many vmw? change VGA to 750 Ti is better ? im need to help
Thank
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The Z800 can be real beast, if configured properly.

But for this, the components, listed above are too underpowered for the Z800 barebone, indeed.

The best price/performance for Z800 is currently achieved with the following:

2x Xeon X5680 (6-core 3.33GHz default clock) - current buyout is ~$110-120 each on ebay but if you have spare time, you can get some really nice deals if play it on bid:

For example my latest pair of X5680 was arranged of those:

HP Intel Xeon X5680 3.33 GHz Six Core Processor 884962520833 | eBay for $77 and NEW HP 3.33Ghz Xeon X5680 CPU KIT WG736AA with heatsink for Z800 | eBay for $107 - the deal! including brand new 3-pipes heatsink (3-pipes Z800 heatsinks are as rare as ghosts on aftermarket, new is $300+)

You need 48-96GB RAM, best value is 6 or 12 sticks of 8GB modules - there is tons of deals on ebay, cheapest DDR3 ECC REG are as low as $12 per stick.

For VGA, any nVidia in the $100-200 range could work.

For running Virtual machines, we need the fastest disc performance available, but since Z800 chipset is quite outdated, it does not support the PCI-E 4x standard, required for the fastest Samsung SM961 SSDs, so an older variant should be accepted, like the 240/480GBs Kingston HyperX Predator PCI-E SSD, for example: HyperX Predator PCIe 480GB PCI Express Solid State Drive | eBay (Keep in mind, SATA SSDs are very-very slow nowadays, so they are not performance viable)
 
Thank Aion

i dont have many money for buy more, maybe im update later.

But i dont known how many vmw this PC z800 spec can handle. thank :D
 
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Aion said:
The Z800 can be real beast, if configured properly.

But for this, the components, listed above are too underpowered for the Z800 barebone, indeed.

The best price/performance for Z800 is currently achieved with the following:

2x Xeon X5680 (6-core 3.33GHz default clock) - current buyout is ~$110-120 each on ebay but if you have spare time, you can get some really nice deals if play it on bid:

For example my latest pair of X5680 was arranged of those:

HP Intel Xeon X5680 3.33 GHz Six Core Processor 884962520833 | eBay for $77 and NEW HP 3.33Ghz Xeon X5680 CPU KIT WG736AA with heatsink for Z800 | eBay for $107 - the deal! including brand new 3-pipes heatsink (3-pipes Z800 heatsinks are as rare as ghosts on aftermarket, new is $300+)

You need 48-96GB RAM, best value is 6 or 12 sticks of 8GB modules - there is tons of deals on ebay, cheapest DDR3 ECC REG are as low as $12 per stick.

For VGA, any nVidia in the $100-200 range could work.

For running Virtual machines, we need the fastest disc performance available, but since Z800 chipset is quite outdated, it does not support the PCI-E 4x standard, required for the fastest Samsung SM961 SSDs, so an older variant should be accepted, like the 240/480GBs Kingston HyperX Predator PCI-E SSD, for example: HyperX Predator PCIe 480GB PCI Express Solid State Drive | eBay (Keep in mind, SATA SSDs are very-very slow nowadays, so they are not performance viable)
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I am kinda noob in hardware and sorry for stupid question, so if i understood right the most important parts to hold many bots on are SSD, RAM, CPU? And the gpu isn't that important?
What do you thing about AMD FX 6300 , 16 ram , r9 280 gpu (will this be able to hold like 4-5 wow's until i have some cash to make a good machine)? Thanks for answer in advance :)
 
The most important are the CPU speed and RAM amount.

AMDs are not slow, but i7/Xeon are the real botting kings. Nowadays you can get a cheap i7-920 for example virtually for couple of bucks. Just keep in mind, that older CPUs are more power ineffective, so if your local power rate is high, consider this factor too.

For example, my own i7-920 is "drying" around $25-30 monthly for power fees, when fully loaded with bots ;)
 
the max number of vm i ran on a z800 is about 5-6 with 2 wow in each. Highly inefficient, slow and annoying to maintain. just don't use a vm and you'll be able to run 20-30 bots
 
liquidmind said:
the max number of vm i ran on a z800 is about 5-6 with 2 wow in each. Highly inefficient, slow and annoying to maintain. just don't use a vm and you'll be able to run 20-30 bots
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That sounds like an extreme misconfiguration.

Average I5 machines can run 6-7 VMs with win7 and wow without any problems.

I would assume the Z800 with enough ram and a 2-3G video drive should be able to handle 15-20 VMs no problem.

You might wanna use Linux as the Hosts OS though.
 
braniac8472 said:
That sounds like an extreme misconfiguration.

Average I5 machines can run 6-7 VMs with win7 and wow without any problems.

I would assume the Z800 with enough ram and a 2-3G video drive should be able to handle 15-20 VMs no problem.

You might wanna use Linux as the Hosts OS though.
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i have [email protected] with 16GB RAM, GTX1080, 2 Samsung EVO SSD's. i can only run 4 VMs, do you have any suggestions for this setup? in my opinion, i need to upgrade the cpu but how about getting more ram first?
 
Savagely said:
What's the point in the VM's? They aren't going to keep you any more safe.
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Yes it does cause Blizzard reads your brain, now put on the tin foil hat and go bot like a ninja turtle.

Well I get with a VM op want to display a unique MAC-address to each WOW (if he configure the VM for that).

One may question if blizzard would want to use the MAC-adress as reason to ban people though as it may so easely be faked.

Possible they could get the MB serial or CPU serial, but I wonder if they have the right to go so deep into the system and get it. Althought I read that it should be possible.
 
I used Hyper-V for botting, but I could never get WoW to run smoothly. I even used RemoteFX to smooth it out, but it still chunked along. I ended up using Windows 7 with an i7 and 16G of RAM and ran 5 bots without issue. I never tried using VMWare or anything but hopefully you will have better luck.
 
cons said:
i have [email protected] with 16GB RAM, GTX1080, 2 Samsung EVO SSD's. i can only run 4 VMs, do you have any suggestions for this setup? in my opinion, i need to upgrade the cpu but how about getting more ram first?
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i can run 18 vms on i7 32gb ram , yes you need better cpu + more ram
 
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