Bot clients

[Otskar]

Hello, so i got 2 accounts 1 witch is my
Main account , 2nd is alt characters

My question is, can i bot on My 2nd account and still be safe on My Main acc that i do not bot on..

And its 2 saperate accounts with different mails !! Thankss

 

[mishmear]

No, no account is safe once you use a bot.

I've had accounts banned which have never botting due to being on same PC ip

 

[Otskar]

No, no account is safe once you use a bot.

I've had accounts banned which have never botting due to being on same PC ip

I think your wrong since i also looked on other threads. But i want to be sure first, so more comments would be nice

 

[mishmear]

Don't know how I can be wrong it's not an opinion it's fact it happened to me

 

[WolfpackPB]

Don't know how I can be wrong it's not an opinion it's fact it happened to me

You assume that Blizzard connected based on your IP Address, that is not a fact, the fact would be that you got both accounts banned by some unknown reason (which is not grounds to draw conclusions from).

As long as you do not attach Honorbuddy to the WoW Process which your Main Account is on you should be safe. That said there are many things which Blizzard could use to connect your account (and no, IP address won't be one of them), so there is a small amount of risk that you place on your main account by association.

 

[mishmear]

Well Ye maybe not ip but there is no way of keeping a main safe if your botting, in their tos it states they don't even need a reason to take your license away as you ever actually own the game or the stuff on the account. So in conclusion there is no way to keep a main safe they can come up with any reason to ban you

 

[gavzter]

Happy new year thread closed

 

[pimpampum]

That said there are many things which Blizzard could use to connect your account (and no, IP address won't be one of them)

This is simply not true, Wolfpack. There are several reports, lost in time and space, like my own, where the IP address was used to connect several computers and all accounts.

Yes, it might have to do with selling gold; but it was indeed used and confirmed by Blizzard GM (of course, believing what they say is up to every person.)


In the end, best approach could be avoiding to consider Blizzard as stupid folks. They had all our asses twice in the last 7 months, but we still try to flag them as incompetent and unable to properly do their job.

What do I mean? Well.....they do have the IP address info, that's a fact. They know when several accounts are using the same IP at a given time, as proven by direct conversations with GM's many times before.

They have the info, it is the cheaper and less resource consuming legal way to find botters, except soft detection.

But somehow we decided they can't use this info to flag accounts based on a 1 per 1000 case that the IP is a shared one (college, residence, whatever...)

I think we have chosen to believe it because it creates a false sense of security for us. ("They can't do that, thankfully...") Heck, not autobanning, flagging accounts for manual investigation.


Reality is that flagging offending IP's is a very efficient way to catch botters; there's a reason other games still use that info to do so. (PoE, GW2, FFXiV...)

There are many other ways, and this last banwave sadly sounds a lot like software detection, which is the worst possible outcome.

But stating that they don't connect accounts on IP as you did, is wrong and misleading. They aren't dumb, they have the info, yet they don't use it out of a 1/10k chance of error. Not very smart.

 

[WolfpackPB]

This is simply not true, Wolfpack. There are several reports, lost in time and space, like my own, where the IP address was used to connect several computers and all accounts.

Yes, it might have to do with selling gold; but it was indeed used and confirmed by Blizzard GM (of course, believing what they say is up to every person.)


In the end, best approach could be avoiding to consider Blizzard as stupid folks. They had all our asses twice in the last 7 months, but we still try to flag them as incompetent and unable to properly do their job.

What do I mean? Well.....they do have the IP address info, that's a fact. They know when several accounts are using the same IP at a given time, as proven by direct conversations with GM's many times before.

They have the info, it is the cheaper and less resource consuming legal way to find botters, except soft detection.

But somehow we decided they can't use this info to flag accounts based on a 1 per 1000 case that the IP is a shared one (college, residence, whatever...)

I think we have chosen to believe it because it creates a false sense of security for us. ("They can't do that, thankfully...") Heck, not autobanning, flagging accounts for manual investigation.


Reality is that flagging offending IP's is a very efficient way to catch botters; there's a reason other games still use that info to do so. (PoE, GW2, FFXiV...)

There are many other ways, and this last banwave sadly sounds a lot like software detection, which is the worst possible outcome.

But stating that they don't connect accounts on IP as you did, is wrong and misleading. They aren't dumb, they have the info, yet they don't use it out of a 1/10k chance of error. Not very smart.

They never have and never will ban all accounts on a single IP because one node was using Honorbuddy (excluding IP bans which are rare), you may see a few people here and there who claim it but it's kind of hard to believe they are being honest and accurate. They absolutely CAN do it, but will they? Historically we can say that it's a no.

Hell, they don't even ban all the accounts on a single Battle.net, a set of accounts they 100% know is owned by the same person, they definitely won't ban due to IP association.

The concept that they connect accounts based on using the same WoW Installation or hardware IDs is more believable, because that secludes it to a single PC and not an entire Dorm / Household.

 

[pimpampum]

I'm afraid your statements don't apply to multibotters or gold farming focused botters.

Both IP, battle.net and Holder's Information have been used in the past to identify accounts and used to ban them altogether. I personally had my main, absolutely unbotted and clean as fuck, banned by asociation.

There are not a couple of reports... there are hundreds of them, that you can check if you have plenty of time.Having followed it for a few years,the BAN forum have proven very useful. Granted, some of them are fake /false /fearmongering. Quite likely, there are other posts by fanboys / extreme loyalists /whiteknights who won't accept facts, even after BL openly recognised they have no clues on these last banwaves.

I am inclined to believe a hardware ID identification on the last banwave, or full fledged detection. But again, if my case serves as an example, and that is well before last detection, I got banned on many accounts on several pcs - each pc accounts were on different realms, different names,different Battlenets, no obv payment conections that I was aware of. So, it pretty much reduce it to Detection / IP flagging (in my case, again)