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Bigboom

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As you can see, PvP is in an uproar. In an attempt to keep things from blowing up any further, could you guys possibly implement updates to your CR's limiting certain items such as interrupts so that they are not abused? Such as not allowing for them to be used instantaneously. I know with GS I normally keep it between 40-80% of the cast. PvPers are abusing this too much, especially since the 6 month ban wave just receded a couple weeks ago. If the player base continues to amplify its noise levels in Blizzard's ears, I'm pretty sure a ban wave is going to occur. This suggestion is out of concern for said ban wave. Do we all really want to get banned because some folks want to instantly interrupt another person's cast?

TL;DR: CR's shouldn't allow for 0 ms interrupts and should have a minimum like 300 ms or something similar.
 
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I think most of the paid crs have that option available. A little bit of bling spent goes a long way :)
 
stewiethecat said:
I think most of the paid crs have that option available. A little bit of bling spent goes a long way :)
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I'm saying the option being available is the problem. The option needs to be limited in its capability.
 
stewiethecat said:
I don't get it. What do you mean by limit the option? What are you suggesting?
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I think he's saying that instead of 0ms interrupts, it forces them to wait 500ms through a cast in order to interrupt it? That's a best guess though. I don't think people are angry at HB. They are angry at the free bots out there that do nothing but auto interrupt a spell cast. I think most of HB stuff has some wait time in there.
 
speshulk926 said:
I think he's saying that instead of 0ms interrupts, it forces them to wait 500ms through a cast in order to interrupt it? That's a best guess though. I don't think people are angry at HB. They are angry at the free bots out there that do nothing but auto interrupt a spell cast. I think most of HB stuff has some wait time in there.
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The problem is that the people who don't bot have no idea it's just the free bots. It creates animosity toward botting in general and that animosity is going to be directed towards the most known bot... HB.
 
GOD said:
The problem is that the people who don't bot have no idea it's just the free bots. It creates animosity toward botting in general and that animosity is going to be directed towards the most known bot... HB.
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This is very true. However, there are individuals who use the CR's with 0 ms interrupts enables and that option should be curtailed. The fastest a cast should be allowed to be automatically interupted should be around perhaps 25% or 250 ms? I'm personally not set on this number, so hearing some debate on it would be nice to find a decent idea of where it should be around.
 
speshulk926 said:
I think he's saying that instead of 0ms interrupts, it forces them to wait 500ms through a cast in order to interrupt it? That's a best guess though. I don't think people are angry at HB. They are angry at the free bots out there that do nothing but auto interrupt a spell cast. I think most of HB stuff has some wait time in there.
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I gotcha, I agree, instant interrupts are going to always be a problem until someone puts out a smarter free kickbot that allows that option. Nothing that developers can do about it. Botters need to take the initiative to use advanced crs
 
proposing limits on HB CRs won't have an effect on someone using a free kickbot or any douche that still interrupts at 0ms.

its only more work for the very few CR developers we have left. What we need to do is bring them cake and beer and pray to Thrall that they stick around a bit longer.
 
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The people that know how to effectively use the paid CRs set interrupts to 75-90% of the cast anyway, so their non-botting teammates/arena partners get a chance to interrupt first......no interrupt is wasted. You're barking up the wrong tree. Free bots are causing the attention.
 
frosticus said:
proposing limits on HB CRs won't have an effect on someone using a free kickbot or any douche that still interrupts at 0ms.

its only more work for the very few CR developers we have left. What we need to do is bring them cake and beer and pray to Thrall that they stick around a bit longer.
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This x100, the May banwave seen so many awesome CRs die or fade away. Putting restriction on CRs will make no real difference, those that want 0ms kicks will use other software.
 
A lot of us do not instant kick, we kick at 70-90% cast to avoid reports. Cannot control other bot bases that have instant kick plugins though.
 
nelie223 said:
A lot of us do not instant kick, we kick at 70-90% cast to avoid reports. Cannot control other bot bases that have instant kick plugins though.
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You also kick at that percentage because... it's better. It gives them a chance to cancel their cast and move instead of wasting a cd to interrupt.
 
We do it for several reasons, lag can cause you to miss, and it makes you seem more human, it also gives your partner a chance to kick first which helps balance it out.
 
Technically the idiots who instantly kick are "better" because there is no way to fake it. That's why they do it. You can put stopcast in your macro and it can still kick the spell. That's the problem. It's so good that people who are shit at the game abuse it to climb a little more rating than they would be able to if they tried to play without kicking spells before an animation has even started.

Yeah, it's terrible and obvious and all that but I doubt they give a shit.
 
Bigboom said:
This is very true. However, there are individuals who use the CR's with 0 ms interrupts enables and that option should be curtailed. The fastest a cast should be allowed to be automatically interupted should be around perhaps 25% or 250 ms? I'm personally not set on this number, so hearing some debate on it would be nice to find a decent idea of where it should be around.
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A recent study suggests the fastest possible reaction time for an 18 year old person is ~300 ms, and this increases steadily with age.

But then there are those who guess their way to an instant kick. The high risk, high reward players. Insanely skilled ones CAN get a lot of interrupts off at probably around ~30ms, by just assuming that someone will cast something very soon and preemptively interrupt. That, however, would fail a lot too.
 
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Your right. I've gotten the information I needed from these responses. Free kickbots are the problem and I need to reduce my own kick speed as well.
 
Bigboom said:
Do we all really want to get banned because some folks want to instantly interrupt another person's cast?
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As such as possible, the best kick is the more late kick (99% end of cast). Why ?
Because if your kick ability have a silence work, the guy will be silenced more long than if you insta kick (bc he can't cast any spell during a spellcast, or he will break their spellcast btw)

For calculs, use CastDuration + SilenceDuration.

Ex: Take a 1.2s spellcast and a Silence of 3 secs.

1. You insta kick like 0.2sec. The guy will take 3.2s of silence (spellcasting duration included)
2. You kick at the late end possible like 99% so 1.1s. The guy will take 4.1s of silence (spellcasting duration included)

This technique should be usefull for brain fakecasting too !
 
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