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mass botting question

gameprimary

gameprimary

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im familiar with mac id and you run the risk too many bots per mac ip i have proxies and have been running 5 on my house ip with 1 pc and its fine ive experienced a mass ban with 20 wows before due to 1 mac id. or do they scan for mac ids and proxies wont help? using proxies on the same pc fixs this or just so many per pc period? if i can avoid a mac id look by dividing the wows by proxy on the same computer let me know

otherwise whats a safe amount per same computer to avoid mass ban? 5? 10? 15? can my proxies help this or should i just go 10 computers 5 per pc to avoid this with proxys per computer.
 
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gameprimary said:
im familiar with mac id and you run the risk too many bots per mac ip i have proxies and have been running 5 on my house ip with 1 pc and its fine ive experienced a mass ban with 20 wows before due to 1 mac id. using proxies on the same per per 4 wows will fix this or do they scan for mac ids and proxies wont help? if i can avoid a mac id look by dividing the wows by proxy onn the same computer let me know

otherwise whats a safe amount per same computer to avoid mass ban? 5? 10? 15? can my proxies help this or should i just go 10 computers 5 per pc to avoid this with proxys per computer.
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English, please?
 
gameprimary said:
the details are there do you not know what im talking about?
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I think its because your wording seems out of wack with PC users. IMO I think you were banned for reasons beyond IP address and spotted by someone in game. And that's crazy money for 20 accounts unless you were making money off of gold sales. Either way that is impressive.
 
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I think its because your wording seems out of wack with PC users. IMO I think you were banned for reasons beyond IP address and spotted by someone in game. And that's crazy money for 20 accounts unless you were making money off of gold sales. Either way that is impressive.
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yeah i was, i own websites trade ect. but here is what i mean i was proby reported but they found out i had 20 on 1 pc and they all were banned at the same time.

so i can load 5 or 10 per pc, if i can go 1 step futhur and load them(more than 5 or 10 more...) same pc with different ips that be great otherwise i am prepared to go multiple pcs with a safe amount per pc tied to the same net but separated by each computers wireless card(MAC ID) AND A new ip dedicated to each pc on the network.

trying to find another mass botter atm i have 10 life time hb2 keys. & 5 wow accs looking to expand to 10 but need to know how to stack them.
 
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Hi, Gameprimary,

Anecdotally, Bliz appears to go after the several-bots-per-PC users more aggressively than the casual botter. Their assumption might be that they are gold farmers, or feed the supply chain indirectly.

This post may provide some insight for things that you need to keep an eye out.

There is no way for anyone to know with assurance what exactly Bliz checks server-side. And even given what the server-side can detect, subjective 'policy' dictates the information will and will not be used in making 'offense' determinations.

cheers & much success,
chinajade
 
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5 accounnts per computer ? EACH COMPUTER has a dedicated proxy ip thats different from each.

computer 1 ip 168.42.104.12 with 5 bots computer 2 ip is 168.43.105.11 with 5 more bots.

is this the only way? ill avoid mass bans? or can i put 10 bots per pc and say every 3 or 4 bots are on a different ip? aka proxy?

example 2. same pc so same mac id for all 10 bots however
3 accounts are on proxy ip 168.42.104.12
3 different accs are on proxy ip 168.42.105.11
4 different accs are on proxy ip 168.43.108.14

will this avoid any specific mass detection or is the mac id a dead giveaway since all are same mac id?

2 wireless cards and i run 1 card inn virtual machine? so 2 separate ids?

question is what does wow blizzard check for for mass bots by same ip address or same mac ip ? aka same computer signature.
 
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fuck em i came back to wow to do some damage. ill succeed i have 10 pcs ranging from 2-16 gb each i can do 5 per computer for days.

i read that post they got him by mac id after already experienc9inng a ban my question is alot of bots on the same mac id but separating every 3 or 4 with an ip so never more than 5 on a given ip would avoid initial detection?

or is the moral of the story max load per pc period. which id guess over 10 is too many? some reason 5 seems to be a safe pushy max. i have no limitation multiple computers , multiple adapters , multiple accs , multple proxys.

what do ii do? i can find this out over time by google just wanted to see if any mass botters around here i can pay for help....


there is no way to know other than from an experienced mass bot with what has worked and what has not. that's why this question was even asked.
 
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Hi Gameprimary :).
No One know for sure how many ways they detects bots running on one PC. I know they can see you if you log in from same IP with all the accounts.
But, others also said they can check your Hardware id and see if all clients runs under the same Hardware id.

Happy Botting.
 
right, so where do i go from here do they only check hardware id once they see so many on the same ip? so putting them on proxies is safest? i didn't use this option years ago with my 20 bots and it probly would of made a difference but im not sure how much i know multiple pcs with 5 per sounds the safest and i only lose 5 max at a time but im hoping i can fully utilize my 16 gb units....
 
i can easily setup 10 cheap pc on 1 main internet but each pc has a different proxy ip so multiple hardware ids multiple ips but this wont be a problem with them all being on the same internet since their masked right?
this seems to be the safest lots of cheap 2-4 gb units with 5 bots per pc with a proxy per pc so its all separated.

or virtual machine rentals... 20-30 a month per 5 i guess.
 
Hi Gameprimary. It shouldn´t be a problem as long as the bots have their own unique IP on each pc. - Caper
 
im getting excited ill fire up my 2nd pc with 5 more at my moms house so they arnt connnected at all 2 different nets.

this will be my roots i max out at 11 subs so ill run 10 bots and get 2 more pcs ready to jump to 20 bots with 10 subs 2 weeks into grinding the full 10. should pay for 10 more subs and 10 more accs might take a full month to double up tho.


who thinks 5 is a safe cap per pc? or who thinks 10 per pc is fine (1 mac id but say half on 1 ip half on another)
 
Unique IP on the surface seem like a good idea, however can blizzard detect the mac address of your network router or cable/DSL/Fios modem? It would easily determine all the accounts are originating from the same source. Do we know 100% what the battle.net and WoW client are looking at when they are running on our machines?

Most likely what happens is this.

Player reports you for Botting. Ticket gets escalated to CR Specialist who then investigates. Since we don't know the internal policy we can not say what happens next. However we can guess that once your flagged at a certain level of Abuse they have something which "Tags" your PC. At that point its a mystery what they are looking at. CPUID, Motherboard, NiC,. Imagine a software that detects when a "Tagged" node connects to the blizzard servers. This can easily alert a CR Specialist who then determines if your botting and boom "down on the head of it".

So basically its all just a matter of luck. Like any gamble. Blizzard like any money driven company will only spend so much money. What they most likely look for is boting for profit, activities that De-stabilize their economy. Especially now that they are in the Gold selling business.

Anyway good luck.
 
I was thinking of doing this. A little over a year ago i was running 4 bots on one PC (all the same IP). I was concerned with the same thing. Asking myself if my IP gets automatically flagged for having mutiple accounts on it. Do they monitor you to see if your just multiboxing (which is apparently acceptable) or are you botting with these accounts. Then i was thinking about using VMs to give each client its own "Virtual IP" but this would only prevent initial detection and a blizzard specialist that would look further into it and find out that all accounts are under the same MAC ID would blow your cover.

Well i was running 4 accounts on the same PC ( NO VPN , NO VM) for about 2 months. I came back from work one day and all four were banned. I was running my Miners in pandaria that day before they got banned ( not sure how long after). Did some one catch my character in pandaria , then reported me? Did someone on the Auction House report me because i had way too many stacks of ore which was impossible for one person to obtain daily, then they reported me and i was being monitored? Could bulk selling in private prevent a report that would eventually lead to you getting banned? Theres a whole host of questions with answers that would be vital to avoid detection. A really important question is if theres a way to mask your MAC ID with some insanely expensive software?
 
300k per char a month is a low estimate that's 100$ per character(i trade for other currency's and make more than listed gold prices. 500$+ per pc of 5 wow bots. with other games botting aswell. this is just the wow aspect of my pcs
 
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