I am curious as to why you took a solid project capable of performing better than a human being, and butchered its performance to implement a DRM system to make a few extra bucks. The thing is, you are only making money off of ignorant people that think this is the only alternative. This is not the only bot for Diablo out there, and there is other that can do exactly what this can and cost nothing. I am aware of this, as I am sure you guys are also aware of this. Then ontop of it your DRM has already been *****ed to boot. So you continue to give paying people of your product( me for instance i have been paying for years) a completely unecessary negative experience for what reason? And yes, I have used this bot since it came out, I know wtf I am talking about and how great this bot USED to be. For some reason the forum refuses to let me login with my original login even though i can login to buddyauth no problems. Will it ever be that great again? Will you guys stop already? It has gotten to the point I don't even use the thing anymore because it constantly crashes, has a IQ of 20, and less effective running 8 hours(if it manages to run that long without crashing) then if i played myself for 1 hour. So its not even worth the risk anymore. I know this will be deleted because 1) the truth hurts 2) whichever mod sees this will be butthurt and not want others to see the truth 3) you will never acknowledge the DRM was a horrible decision that should have been reverted 4) you are incapable of having a intellectual conversation with your users. One day you guys will realize it is the paying customers that run your business, not you(any successful business at least). Without paying customers you wouldn't have shit. I recommended this product to anyone and everyone and spread the word praising your product in the past, now its complete dogshit and mediocre at best and I would ask someone why the hell would you pay for something that has free alternatives that function just as good. Get with the times, you are not the only product out there now, and stop pissing off the people that are actually paying for your products( as if you give a flying shit, you already have our money)
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you miss the point out there. dont like it? dont buy it dude, as you said there are many bots why you stick with demonbuddy? maybe because its the best available atm?
still dont like it? play by hand or build your own bot and go ahead
company=profit
if drm provides extra profit why not?
relax and take it easy its still working amazing
still dont like it? play by hand or build your own bot and go ahead
company=profit
if drm provides extra profit why not?
relax and take it easy its still working amazing
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There is 2 sides to everything. And im not directing what written below towards you its just in general and a rant like yours. dont take it Personal =)
As a paying customer how do you think i/u feel if i knew there was a way of getting the program i/u PAID for , for FREE. You/ I would be upset and possibly want money back.
Also its a one time payment if you did not buy the lifetime you ALREADY lost as Paying for even 1 month is compared to life time is stupid. Paid for 2 months you could of just bought lifetime.
Yes adding DRM made them more money. Money off the people who used the bot for free and now cant live without it.
Maybe not for diablo any more but they Could charge a MONTHLY fee to use the bot for wow instead of offering a lifetime Making them even MORE money. Implementing a DRM to protect there IP is a great idea.
Does it need more work. YES will it get better YES. If the bot did not spam Waiting for NAV server and it only showed the msg once i bet people would not complain as much.
Also They tried to do this a LONG time ago and they DID acknowledge the DRM was a horrible decision But that was 2+ years ago. NOW there kinda forced to, To protect there IP. maybe complaining to the people thats making them add a DRM would be better?
In the long run i hope it all gets better.
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Protect it?!?! Open your eyes, the DRM is has been *****ed a long time ago and the *****ed one is running a hundred times smoother than the paid one. I'm sure they know this, that's the puzzling part.
Well, lets all be rational.
Is this DRM implementation an improvement of user experience in a short term?
Hell no. Our bots keep lagging, pausing, and etc.
How about in a long run?
Depends on how well they handle the issues. Here is why:
1. Without the DRM, they lose a certain market share which makes it less profitable. Because, face it, most db users have lifetime subscription which is extremely valuable tbh.(20-40dollars for botting D3 for life?) The users that dont would be a small profitable margin for BossLand. It relies on more people acknowledging the product and join the db user base. Unless you want to pay for expansions like you do for D3 which is what gaming industries do when they invest tons of time into patching and further development, your user experience is somewhat related to how much they gain from new users.
Imagine a company that have 99k to spend to develop/update a software comparing to only 9k or to be realistic, 66k or something. Not to mention this is a botting software where update is required asap after each patch from blizzard. Unlike blizzard where fund cutting simply means delay of content release, fund cutting for db simply means less functions, longer delay for update, etc.
You may argue that you'd rather have it working faster for now while making you wait for an extra day or two after each patch, that might not be the case for all users. Besides, they are working on making DRM's server faster.
Now I do not represent any of their interest, nor do I know if they have enough attention on this issue(which I'm sure they do given the number of posts on the topic in the forum). I do believe they completely understand how to maintain their business better. We all want better things. And to get that, it has to be in our common interest. As long as the product is still on the line, we are benefiting from it.
They came up with DRM to protect themselves/their interest indeed. And that means it is a problem to consider for them. Thus it should be for us as well. Not all bots have been long living like BossLand's products have. You may have found another bot that "does exactly the same thing". They may come and go. In the end, money is the solution to most things in our world. If there ever is a team working on d3 bots where much more fundings are provided, I believe they will beat demonbuddy. For now, we all understand the complaints are there to claim our rights, make bot faster etc. But do that in a rational way would help more. Join the testing group so they would save time on launching new features et
2. We all want better things after paying for them. Right now, some claims that it is not the case where freewares are beating demonbuddy. Now to be clear, do they just beat db by speed? The best measure should be overall farming speed imo. How fast are they clearing rifts? Using different builds. How well do they adapt to combats? How well are they doing for lootings?(if you havnt tried itemList, try it) How well are they doing after each patch?
These are long term measurements. If you do believe others do better than db, you may well go for it. There is no complaining in real life if you purchase something and something else beats it with a lower price. You can go out and spread the words, but the company themselves wouldnt give a crap if they already decided to let the product fall behind which is not really the case for demonbuddy. Go to dev forum, check out the features in development, you will realize they are keep working to make the bot better rather than simply trying to grind money. I mean the bot is working fine right now besides pausing/sometimes crashing issues, why would they even bother to have better combat routines after all?
3. The DRM is still in beta, there is plenty of room for improvement. We can provide feedback which is.. really nothing other than it kind of sucks at the moment. And that does not really help because they know it already. DRM is not simply a software problem, they need to work on all the servers at different locations across the world. They need to work on the network framework, routing, etc. The only thing they had before was buddyauth which is not even close to the complexity of the DRM system. It all comes down to how well they handle this. It would be better if we let the forums be taken by ppl that actually needs something that can be helped with rather than spamming "DRM sucks" posts.
I personally do not like DRM, I mean who would at this point? But have patience, as it is for our future interest.
Is this DRM implementation an improvement of user experience in a short term?
Hell no. Our bots keep lagging, pausing, and etc.
How about in a long run?
Depends on how well they handle the issues. Here is why:
1. Without the DRM, they lose a certain market share which makes it less profitable. Because, face it, most db users have lifetime subscription which is extremely valuable tbh.(20-40dollars for botting D3 for life?) The users that dont would be a small profitable margin for BossLand. It relies on more people acknowledging the product and join the db user base. Unless you want to pay for expansions like you do for D3 which is what gaming industries do when they invest tons of time into patching and further development, your user experience is somewhat related to how much they gain from new users.
Imagine a company that have 99k to spend to develop/update a software comparing to only 9k or to be realistic, 66k or something. Not to mention this is a botting software where update is required asap after each patch from blizzard. Unlike blizzard where fund cutting simply means delay of content release, fund cutting for db simply means less functions, longer delay for update, etc.
You may argue that you'd rather have it working faster for now while making you wait for an extra day or two after each patch, that might not be the case for all users. Besides, they are working on making DRM's server faster.
Now I do not represent any of their interest, nor do I know if they have enough attention on this issue(which I'm sure they do given the number of posts on the topic in the forum). I do believe they completely understand how to maintain their business better. We all want better things. And to get that, it has to be in our common interest. As long as the product is still on the line, we are benefiting from it.
They came up with DRM to protect themselves/their interest indeed. And that means it is a problem to consider for them. Thus it should be for us as well. Not all bots have been long living like BossLand's products have. You may have found another bot that "does exactly the same thing". They may come and go. In the end, money is the solution to most things in our world. If there ever is a team working on d3 bots where much more fundings are provided, I believe they will beat demonbuddy. For now, we all understand the complaints are there to claim our rights, make bot faster etc. But do that in a rational way would help more. Join the testing group so they would save time on launching new features et
2. We all want better things after paying for them. Right now, some claims that it is not the case where freewares are beating demonbuddy. Now to be clear, do they just beat db by speed? The best measure should be overall farming speed imo. How fast are they clearing rifts? Using different builds. How well do they adapt to combats? How well are they doing for lootings?(if you havnt tried itemList, try it) How well are they doing after each patch?
These are long term measurements. If you do believe others do better than db, you may well go for it. There is no complaining in real life if you purchase something and something else beats it with a lower price. You can go out and spread the words, but the company themselves wouldnt give a crap if they already decided to let the product fall behind which is not really the case for demonbuddy. Go to dev forum, check out the features in development, you will realize they are keep working to make the bot better rather than simply trying to grind money. I mean the bot is working fine right now besides pausing/sometimes crashing issues, why would they even bother to have better combat routines after all?
3. The DRM is still in beta, there is plenty of room for improvement. We can provide feedback which is.. really nothing other than it kind of sucks at the moment. And that does not really help because they know it already. DRM is not simply a software problem, they need to work on all the servers at different locations across the world. They need to work on the network framework, routing, etc. The only thing they had before was buddyauth which is not even close to the complexity of the DRM system. It all comes down to how well they handle this. It would be better if we let the forums be taken by ppl that actually needs something that can be helped with rather than spamming "DRM sucks" posts.
I personally do not like DRM, I mean who would at this point? But have patience, as it is for our future interest.
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Great Post +1
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The issue here is that the NAV server stuff was not implemented as a for of DRM. The quantity of users requesting NAV tiles from it keeps growing and eventually something gives. Before the implementation of multiple servers the slowing performance showed anyway as the NAV server was overloaded by users and individual DDoses. Now we just need to get the Regional NAV servers working properly and your experience should improve 
Proper explination of this is here
Proper explination of this is here
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