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Honorbuddy Announcement 21th May 2015

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A day before the ban I had to accept some writing I did not read which I regret now, I just accepted who does read the rules every time when they know they are breaching them, well I get a pop up shortly after saying blizzard is scanning folders... supposedly looking for Blizzard games... well now tell me why do they need to do that? I was able to stop their program looking for games and was still able to play? so why then the need to find their games on my computer?

This sounds like your battle.net application updating and going through your files and folders to locate what games you have installed on your machine. Many other game companies do this such as Steam, Origins, etc. It's their way of keeping track of what software they have on or not on your machine at the time. I personally never even use the battle.net app. If the battle.net app is already aware of the games(let's say WoW) and has already indexed it's location your disc. You can cancel those searches regardless since there is nothing else more for it to locate.

This wasn't by any means some kind of unwarranted search and seizure of you information. Clearly for two reasons.
1. If...and I mean a really big if... Blizzard was trying to search your machine for third party programs(which are not illegal to own, only against WoW's ToS/EULA to be running along with the actual WoW client). There never would of been any onscreen notifications for you such as the pop up you so describe of it saying it was scanning folders. This would of been done without notice. Which is illegal.

2. Going back to the reason that Blizzard would have an easier time just capturing your process information to see if your client was or was not hooked. You could have all sorts of truly illegal things on your hard drive and/or other bots/programs/malicious crap. It doesn't prove anything if Blizzard can't link it to your account. The only for sure way that their staff can do this for so many accounts is to have determined it through your processes report. Showing abnormalities with the wow process under stipulations that they have tested only to result from the HB client being hooked into the wow client.

You guys can delete your HB programs all you want for your own safety. A little too much paranoia in my honest opinion though.
 
Are you serious right now? Using a program for PVP use, such as Ashran is frowned upon, according to you, but everything else is totally reasonable? Gtfo the Forums, immediately. Anyone who uses HB is looking for an advantage, whether it be for farming, leveling, garrison bullshit or PVP. If you're having that huge of an issue with people using HB for PVP farming, practice what you preach and don't use it for whatever you may be using it for. I hope you realize how ignorant your comment was.

Lets say I only use garrison bot (that I never did but its a example) to do the stupid farm of herbs and ore on my 11 level 100s toons with level 3 garrison, just because that thakes in average 1 hour or more, and I dont have the time... how is that diferent from people buying tokens for real life money, that they dont have time to farm? Do they have a advantage on me, me that dont have money, and even need to farm gold to sell for "Ipaytowin"ers for real life money so I can have some cash irl?

I would say there is no diferente levels of cheating, ok I can agree with you on that one, but you saying I have a advantage on the non botter when he can just buy his leves, gold, gear, etc? i call that serious bullsht
 
Honorbuddy Announcement 21st May 2015

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Honorbuddy Announcement 21th May 2015

Just had to correct that title :D lol
 
Maybe some people don't understand this. Blizzard made it pretty freaking clear that they weren't going to condone cheating. Let me point this out for you.

1. They made a blue post telling people that had recently just taken action against numerous people found using third party software.
2. Holinka tweeted that you shouldn't be cheating. He also went on to say that he wants to fix PVP and it is impossible with people using third party software for an advantage.
3. People were given 6 month bans as a warning more or less, you can bet your ass that it will be permanent the next time around.
4. Along with it being a 6 month ban, Blizzard has clearly refused to appeal these decisions and it is because "TADA!" They have a detection method that they have used to figure out that you have been using a third party program.

For point number 4 let me better elaborate this for all the idiot skeptics and the people who clearly have no idea how programs operate and how Blizzard gathers it's information.

-Blizzard has to scan it's own process to realize if their is a potential hook into it based off how the program responds when Blizzard is sending packets to it. Through API's, Blizzard can regulate and discern the difference between what a normal 32-bit client would operate as and how the now-hooked 32-bit client is running. When they test this theory against all other known API's Blizzard can make the assumption that your client is hooked and that you are automating commands.

-Much like on private servers there are automated systems that can catch and snag things in the packets that are being sent to the server. The same way private servers can pick up on people who are fly hacking etc. This sends a signal back to Blizzard which in turns cause a flag to happen. This is how they protect themselves versus people who try to modify the packets with programs like CheatEngine and other tools that manipulate the game in a way not authorized.

-Your account is always subject to ban based on personal investigation by the GM and support staff, You are an idiot if you think that Blizzard hasn't collected information on bot behavior over the last few months and probably even longer. People who report you for cheating will automatically flag your account but that is more of a novelty. If I walked around WoW and reported everyone for cheating it would be stupid right? They all going to get banned? The reason they have this tool for people to report you for cheating is so that the support staff can tell how many times you have been reported. etc, etc. Let's say a person who has been flagged for cheating 3 times doesn't look as dramatic as someone who has been botting battlegrounds or farming gold and has been reported 150 times. These are all tracked via time stamp and collected in a database. Character info is linked back to account info, other characters can then also be seen to see how many reports they have had on them. Making sense now?
Another Blizzard fanboy,
another useless wall of text.

How could you write 28 lines of test without a single proof behind your words?

Blizzard is doing this, Blizzard is gonna do that ... yea of course - because you have just witnessed this from Blizzard's office right now? Stop dreaming!

Blizzard is just a company, yes, with much more financial resources than Bossland GmbH, for example. But that have not helped them much in the last 5 years, till last week's wednesday, at least.
It was lawsuits, it was pseudo-banwaves, it was HB-named codes in the game files. They tried virtually anything in the last years to stop HB and they achieved ZERO success! Honorbuddy was up, running and growing ... unstoppable!

Then 7th of May 2015 came, with one of the many court hearings, and SHOCK!:
On 6 May 2013 The Hamburg Regional Court had issued a temporary injunction without a hearing and thereby ruled that the defendant (Bossland GmbH) have to refrain, without the consent of the applicant to operate a gold-trading website for the game Diablo III.

On 7 May 2015 (3 U 45/14), the Civil Division of the Hanseatic Higher Regional Court ordered that the entire costs of the two instances of the process be paid by Blizzard Entertainment S.A.S.

So there is no doubts that Blizzard have done something breaking!

Were they lucky to identify some lua elements, leaving tracks on the server logs,or done some desperate or furious move with running malware for short periods of time in the last few months?

We yet have to find out!


But one is solid!

They suspended tons of accounts: Heavy botting accounts, barely botting accounts, never-botting accounts, active accounts, frozen accounts.

That means only one! They cleared their database off all the accounts, accused for any kind of botting in their noticeable past (3-6 months probably).

So there is no surprise, how very different behaved accounts got hit, even these, frozen for 3+ months!
 
Another Blizzard fanboy,
another useless wall of text.

How could you write 28 lines of test without a single proof behind your words?

Blizzard is doing this, Blizzard is gonna do that ... yea of course - because you have just witnessed this from Blizzard's office right now? Stop dreaming!

Blizzard is just a company, yes, with much more financial resources than Bossland GmbH, for example. But that have not helped them much in the last 5 years, till last week's wednesday, at least.
It was lawsuits, it was pseudo-banwaves, it was HB-named codes in the game files. They tried virtually anything in the last years to stop HB and they achieved ZERO success! Honorbuddy was up, running and growing ... unstoppable!

Then 7th of May 2015 came, with one of the many court hearings, and SHOCK!:


So there is no doubts that Blizzard have done something breaking!

Were they lucky to identify some lua elements, leaving tracks on the server logs,or done some desperate or furious move with running malware for short periods of time in the last few months?

We yet have to find out!


But one is solid!

They suspended tons of accounts: Heavy botting accounts, barely botting accounts, never-botting accounts, active accounts, frozen accounts.

That means only one! They cleared their database off all the accounts, accused for any kind of botting in their noticeable past (3-6 months probably).

So there is no surprise, how very different behaved accounts got hit, even these, frozen for 3+ months!

I am by no means a fanboy of Blizzard and I am not here to fight against the fellow people in the community. Speculation like everyone else but speaking from the more rational and legal standpoint of things. I do also believe that the outcome in court did have an effect in this recent turn of events for Bossland. Could speculate theories on that all day long but it would be outside the scope of what is important and at hand.

Saying that frozen accounts where tagged and banned is further proof to say that Blizzard could of had detection long before hand. This somewhat nullifies your statement of saying that HB is unstoppable anyways. Since Blizzard is the one pulling the trigger on the bans it is only fair enough to assume that they could just as easily be controlling their decision to ban. It is not proof to claim that just because no one has been banned in years of botting that Blizzard hasn't known about it or had the potential to do anything.

The things I stated were from the standpoint as a programmer and are indeed more common and logical then believing that Blizzard is hacking your computer or some dumb crap like that. If you think that you know more about it then enlighten us? I am welcome to criticism and I'd rather listen to someone more rational then people who want to disable bgbuddy like they think it will make a difference. Cheers.
 
tons of ppl that botted in March, not May, and they didnt get banned, I have one of those at home...
 
yeah i haven't botted in couple months and i didn't get banned it was something recent

Also thought everyone knew that they ban in waves to send a message
 
I think Blizzard added a way to detect HonorBuddy only because my other accounts wasn't touched at all. Its weird why one account got hit but the other account didn't. I'm usinf ***** for now until HonorBuddy comes back full swing again. Hopefully, their a way to detect Blizzard from scanning for HonorBuddy or any form of C# data
 
This sounds like your battle.net application updating and going through your files and folders to locate what games you have installed on your machine. Many other game companies do this such as Steam, Origins, etc. It's their way of keeping track of what software they have on or not on your machine at the time. I personally never even use the battle.net app. If the battle.net app is already aware of the games(let's say WoW) and has already indexed it's location your disc. You can cancel those searches regardless since there is nothing else more for it to locate.

This wasn't by any means some kind of unwarranted search and seizure of you information. Clearly for two reasons.
1. If...and I mean a really big if... Blizzard was trying to search your machine for third party programs(which are not illegal to own, only against WoW's ToS/EULA to be running along with the actual WoW client). There never would of been any onscreen notifications for you such as the pop up you so describe of it saying it was scanning folders. This would of been done without notice. Which is illegal.

2. Going back to the reason that Blizzard would have an easier time just capturing your process information to see if your client was or was not hooked. You could have all sorts of truly illegal things on your hard drive and/or other bots/programs/malicious crap. It doesn't prove anything if Blizzard can't link it to your account. The only for sure way that their staff can do this for so many accounts is to have determined it through your processes report. Showing abnormalities with the wow process under stipulations that they have tested only to result from the HB client being hooked into the wow client.

You guys can delete your HB programs all you want for your own safety. A little too much paranoia in my honest opinion though.

Just odd that when ever I have updated never have I seen that but I can only give them the benefit of the doubt.
 
Laugh my ass of to all of you who knows best and have all info =) lol.

Speculations all of it.!

i am gonna bot like crazy as soon as it goes online =)
 
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I dont attest to know anything about Blizzard and thier intentions but I wonder if it isnt more currency driven all of these bans. Sure they dont like HB, but they quietly havent done much over the past 5 years to control or even impact botting, but suddenly they introduce the wow token and enter that "gold selling arena" and bam HB gets hit hard. And dont kid yourself, Blizzard knows for sure us botters will just make new accounts and spend a crapload of real currency to play again. Who wins? Blizz.
 
I noticed tokens are more expensive in EU, always 40kish... before would go from 32k ish to 42k ish
 
I honestly think blizzard had to use methods more illegal due to mass ban waves on all of us. Like aion has stated they have not been able to catch us for years and al of a sudden we get hit in mass numbers only tells me they went out and banned a shit ton of account either botters or not in hopes to catch all of us or they have some sort of illegal detection to catch us that went further then usually measures. If you ask me i think blizzard lost the first court case then got pissed and created that terms of service you had to sigh just before then ban hammer hit which i didn't read but prolly included a clause to scan all exe files associated with wow.
 
I know enough to know when something has ended. Much like how this seems. Believe me Reviir, I want to jump on board the "I believe in Miracles" train and ride it on into a new season and further expansions and see if Blizzard really is bluffing and could care less about botters. But the blatant facts of them coming forward about it and doing something has me twisted.

LOL again just sad....

This isnt the first wave in wow history...
Or the largest.....
or the only one directly targeted at one bot...


guess what....

It wont be the last but they dont do them very often else they would hemorage and the game would die.

IF you wanted to find hb as a bot it could be found.... guess what. its been that way for YEARS...

From the fact that hb uses /run RepopMe() to how lua is just friggin hammered to the servers... interupt / spell timers yada yada the list goes on and on and on....

Blizz dosnt take action because it would destroy them if they did it to much because botting is so engrained into wow at this point.
 
I dont attest to know anything about Blizzard and thier intentions but I wonder if it isnt more currency driven all of these bans. Sure they dont like HB, but they quietly havent done much over the past 5 years to control or even impact botting, but suddenly they introduce the wow token and enter that "gold selling arena" and bam HB gets hit hard. And dont kid yourself, Blizzard knows for sure us botters will just make new accounts and spend a crapload of real currency to play again. Who wins? Blizz.

Many people including myself feel Blizz knew about the bots and just let them go for the $15 a month and the player base numbers were higher as long as the botter wasn't doing really stupid stuff. I agree something changed behind the scenes and now the bot hunt is on a new level, but come on the games 10 years old and tired.

The bot allowed people to play on elite guild standards which made them more accepted.
The bot allowed people with disabilities to play the game like "normal" people and feel accepted.
And the bot helped pay rent and buy stuff for the hard core farmers, which myself I never was.

Now my old guild is wondering where I gone. I was the best Tank-Healer and many knew I was a bot and they didn't care as long as they got a shot at the good loot without the pugs.

Hell where I use to see 50 alliance stacked near the bank and AH was only 3 people.

Only clue I got was the wave was a call by the developers and not even the pope himself can talk their way out of it.
 
I honestly think blizzard had to use methods more illegal due to mass ban waves on all of us. Like aion has stated they have not been able to catch us for years and al of a sudden we get hit in mass numbers only tells me they went out and banned a shit ton of account either botters or not in hopes to catch all of us or they have some sort of illegal detection to catch us that went further then usually measures. If you ask me i think blizzard lost the first court case then got pissed and created that terms of service you had to sigh just before then ban hammer hit which i didn't read but prolly included a clause to scan all exe files associated with wow.



Why would they use illegal methods to find botters when they can use easy legal methods?

Look up the new Computer Privacy laws signed into law in March by the us federal goverment. The point of the new laws is for NSA spying on people....

But the way they are written gives private companys rights to snoop around your computer if you have there programs installed.


It is a bunch of crap and if ANYTHING that is what happened. timing was to coicidental with the new wow external warden scanning being found on 3/21/2015 + Us laws giving us based companys permisition to "snoop" around a pc anywere in the world under the protection of the us goverment and NSA regulations.


PERSONALY I have my own THEROY's on what happened and i have more evidence than most but untill wow comes up again and if we have another ban wave i wont be proven right or wrong.
 
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