Hey all - beginner to botting looking for advice

[OstensibleTree]

Hey guys, complete newbie here.

I'll start off by saying I purchased a Hearthbuddy for a month just to try out botting for the first time. I was surprised at how simple it is to use. Just download and go. Thumbs up. If Honorbuddy is pretty much the same in simplicity, I won't have a problem.

However, I did have questions as I would eventually want to try and monetize my efforts after I get more adept. So I guess the first logical question is - is WoW even the best place to bot over places such as Runescape? In my research I've heard that RS has been *****ing down pretty hard lately. However the upside is that it's F2P, unlike WoW.

And that's kinda my biggest concern. In order to "play the game" that is WoW, is your goal to get as many accounts as you possibly can and farm as much as you can and flip it all before the ban happens? Or do you want to do it more discreetly?

Sorry, I know these threads have probably been done to death. I don't want to make a living off of this, but alittle extra a month would certainly be nice (around $500 just to give you an idea), if that's even possible in this day and age.

Also, is selling Hearthstone accounts feasible do you think?

 

[ZenMate]

The thing is - you will not likely get advise on how much people make per month or how they have their setup. The successful people will not share their information with you as that is counter intuitive to their market that they are running.

To get $500 per month on top of your costs / expenses will a lot harder work than you think unless your offloading this at a cost under market price to a gold seller. Setting up transactions and sales to friends of friends to get that volume of sales your looking for is harder than you think. You will get account ban's there is no iff's butts or maybe's it is inevitable if your RMTing.

I have read posts that say that you can bot for 23 hours a day and not get caught. I have seen people bot for 6 horus a day and get caught. It depends is the answer.

If your lookign at botting multiple account - new wow version has been released - new expantion pack has been released. The cost of getting multiple accoutns to max level is quite rather high as an inital outlay - and if you cant make your money back it may not be worth it for you.

 

[Macatho]

Really imo. Don't get into this business, the amount of €/hour is worse than working as at a supermarket.

 

[jordi1104]

If you're coming from RS good luck getting through the next few months.

 

[OstensibleTree]

If you're coming from RS good luck getting through the next few months.

Nah, I'm brand new to the scene. I might try RS first since the accounts are free, or scope out less saturated titles before I try WoW.

 

[frosticus]

ive heard the bot trains in GW2 are legendary

 

[Aaron6611]

If you want to make $500USD a month selling gold to generic sources and not your own buyers (for around .50c per k on demand if you are lucky most likely .40c or less if not on demand) then you will need to sell 1 million gold a month at least just to make the $500 not even including the account you had to purchase or the HB key to run it.

Lets say you start the month already level 90 (so you don't waste at least a few days on leveling) and you run your account 24/7 for the entire month with no interuptions/patches/downtimes etc you would need to make about 33k a day which is around 1.35k an hour if you are running it smoothly 24 hours straight. This is all best case scenario. It doesn't sound like much until you realise you are already spending 50$ on an account then if you solo level it 1-2 weeks or paying an extra 66$ to boost it and you are not including all the downtime either HB or WoW will have, even if both are working then you will deal with having profiles break and bots bugging out for no reason.

Even if you finally manage to get everything working in unison, botting this way (commonly referred to by farmers as suicide botting) will get you banned in about 7 days flat (most of the time) at which point you have to start again. Either way you would be putting in less hours and getting better pay even working at a supermarket or something as someone else mentioned.

 

[OstensibleTree]

If you want to make $500USD a month selling gold to generic sources and not your own buyers (for around .50c per k on demand if you are lucky most likely .40c or less if not on demand) then you will need to sell 1 million gold a month at least just to make the $500 not even including the account you had to purchase or the HB key to run it.

Lets say you start the month already level 90 (so you don't waste at least a few days on leveling) and you run your account 24/7 for the entire month with no interuptions/patches/downtimes etc you would need to make about 33k a day which is around 1.35k an hour if you are running it smoothly 24 hours straight. This is all best case scenario. It doesn't sound like much until you realise you are already spending 50$ on an account then if you solo level it 1-2 weeks or paying an extra 66$ to boost it and you are not including all the downtime either HB or WoW will have, even if both are working then you will deal with having profiles break and bots bugging out for no reason.

Even if you finally manage to get everything working in unison, botting this way (commonly referred to by farmers as suicide botting) will get you banned in about 7 days flat (most of the time) at which point you have to start again. Either way you would be putting in less hours and getting better pay even working at a supermarket or something as someone else mentioned.

Thanks for the rundown, I appreciate it. My goal is to get at least 5 accounts running at a time farming for mats and things off and on. Is there a marked increase in ban rate the more accounts you have? If the returns warrant for more, then I don't have a problem with the initial investment (once I get comfortable with the programs)

You are correct in that I'll probably just deal with established sources for selling. I don't trust John Doe or Paypal, and I've heard of chargebacks being quite easy. I want to steer clear of that non-sense, even if it means a cut in pay. I've been looking around Sythe, maybe a middle-man would work, but not sure if they are reputable.

The supermarket analogy isn't applicable, as I already have a full-time job. The idea being to have this program running while I'm at work for the extra pocket change per month. If it doesn't pan out, then shucks. If it appears to be going well, I'll wad in slowly.

From what you've said, it seems smart to shoot for longevity. So, 5 accounts going for 8-10 hours a day, mostly farming, but throw in PvP and other shit here and there to try and look legit. You can program bots when to switch up without being present, correct?

 

[Aaron6611]

Thanks for the rundown, I appreciate it. My goal is to get at least 5 accounts running at a time farming for mats and things off and on. Is there a marked increase in ban rate the more accounts you have? If the returns warrant for more, then I don't have a problem with the initial investment (once I get comfortable with the programs)

You are correct in that I'll probably just deal with established sources for selling. I don't trust John Doe or Paypal, and I've heard of chargebacks being quite easy. I want to steer clear of that non-sense, even if it means a cut in pay. I've been looking around Sythe, maybe a middle-man would work, but not sure if they are reputable.

The supermarket analogy isn't applicable, as I already have a full-time job. The idea being to have this program running while I'm at work for the extra pocket change per month. If it doesn't pan out, then shucks. If it appears to be going well, I'll wad in slowly.

From what you've said, it seems smart to shoot for longevity. So, 5 accounts going for 8-10 hours a day, mostly farming, but throw in PvP and other shit here and there to try and look legit. You can program bots when to switch up without being present, correct?

There isn't a static increase in ban rate, example: for every bot you have an X% increased chance of getting banned, its more like while having more bots active generally means you have a higher chance of being reported across all the bots as they are covering more area and you have more visibility, Usually if you are running them on the same machine/ip if 1 gets banned the entire group will get banned. Running 5 at a time is optimal because you can RaF dungeonbuddy level them cutting leveling time down to 1-2 days if run 24 hours straight.

Majority of people will check sites like Ownedcore or Sythe for a gold buying company who resells gold(thats what i was talking about the .40c per k rate)

HB breaks all the time, the more bots you are running the more likely they will get stuck or something will happen and 1 of them will break similar to the ban rate thing, the more you have the more work it is to maintain them.

You're last question is a bit of a debate and its basically all on personal experience. Everyone has different opinions of how long you should bot for and what you should spend the time doing etc. There is no science of how long you bot to ban rate or anything like that. Most of the people i know who have been in the scene for at least a few years and are/have been active gold farmers mostly use the same strategy and this goes for myself as well, Suicide farming. You basically start 5 new battle chests, RaF them 1-85 in a day, bot them 24/7 and have them regularly deposit gold/items into a gbank (The GM of the Gbank is on separate account to your botting/farming accounts). You basically let them farm 24/7 until they get banned and then you do it all over again. Sometimes I have been banned in a week sometimes they have lasted 3+ months for me, it depends on the farming method/profile and a bit of luck. This is basically the general method most farmers use.

Yes you can get reloggers such as ARelog and HBRelogger that allow you to queue up actions such as bot from 8am - 12pm then take a random break inbetween 22 and 34 minutes etc and you can also get plugins/botbases that will let you schedule profile changes ect within the bot.

If you are an inexperienced botter I wouldn't recommend diving straight into this stuff, Its better to just have 1 account try some profiles and things out, get a feel for how it all works and go from there. In theory it all sounds great and seems like easy money but it never works out that way in practice. If it did most experienced botters would be rich by now.

 

[mnime]

The next few months will be the hardest yet best time to bot.

Oh and I really need to see those garrison profiles of yours, plz tell me you're working on some...

Back to the topic, In a nutshell, this is the best game to bot for gold IMO as opposed to other opinions. Because everywhere you go they accept wow gold for anything, real money, wow codes, riot points and many other stuff. I can buy any online game I want with wow gold only by botting.

If you need more details, ofc it's really hard at first, but it gets easy as you master it. For example there's a profile in Store for farming Embersilk Clothes, a regular person (or I shall put it as a stupid person) farm with this profile 24/7 and put the clothes on AH for less than crap amount of gold as I saw yesterday the poor dude put 172 stacks of 20x embersilk, not only this is very dangerous because it's obvious that you farmed these clothes with bot and you get reported, but it's not the way you're supposed to earn gold with profiles like these.
Basically, as I mentioned, "Regular People" farm with like 10 accounts and get banned every now and then and buy another account and bot again. But a mastermind will find a way to maximize the amount of gold earned by only 1 account, specially as Botanist said, start of WoD is going to be the best time to bot in wow. Everything is expensive, everything is hard to farm and even better, everyone has crap gears and they need BiS items that professions make. Unfortunately no one is going to reveal their gold secrets, even that virtual Hayden Hawk B*tch that thinks she's the richest gal in wow (is that thing even exist? richest player in wow? wtf is that?). Don't trust anyone to buy their sucky guides of how to make 500k gold in 1 hour. Just search wowuction and find the best shuffle in your opinion, you might fail a lot but you'll get the hang of it soon and find the best gold making trick of your own.

 

[jordi1104]

Thanks for the rundown, I appreciate it. My goal is to get at least 5 accounts running at a time farming for mats and things off and on. Is there a marked increase in ban rate the more accounts you have? If the returns warrant for more, then I don't have a problem with the initial investment (once I get comfortable with the programs)

You are correct in that I'll probably just deal with established sources for selling. I don't trust John Doe or Paypal, and I've heard of chargebacks being quite easy. I want to steer clear of that non-sense, even if it means a cut in pay. I've been looking around Sythe, maybe a middle-man would work, but not sure if they are reputable.

The supermarket analogy isn't applicable, as I already have a full-time job. The idea being to have this program running while I'm at work for the extra pocket change per month. If it doesn't pan out, then shucks. If it appears to be going well, I'll wad in slowly.

From what you've said, it seems smart to shoot for longevity. So, 5 accounts going for 8-10 hours a day, mostly farming, but throw in PvP and other shit here and there to try and look legit. You can program bots when to switch up without being present, correct?

So you're gonna invest 70 x 5 and the bot costs 20 times 5?
Wow isn't a simple game to learn how to bot profitably especially with WOD coming in less then 1 month.

I think 99% sure you'll get more doing a parttime job then the hours you'll be putting in botting this game.
If you do decide to bot you might have to wait a while I have the feeling it could take till next month for us to see a stable build with all the upcoming updates.

 

[mishrathium]

The real money was in leveling accounts which is now obsolete. To make money with gold selling involves using tons of disposable accounts with very little profit and is not worth the investment any longer.

Unless you live in a third world country there are thousands of better ways to make money then botting warcraft.

 

[Gaaldornick]

Best of luck trying to make any money off of it I use my bots to net me some decent gold for when I want to buy something big and to grind pointless shit for rare drops / reps.

 

[vinnyjf]

just my 2 cents. but my spidey scene is kicking in the questions he is asking don't add up. seems more like the questions he is asking and digging deeper into are the mechanics of it something tells me he is someone working for blizzard just my intuition, and that has served me well in the past having never been banned.
os·ten·si·ble
/äˈstensəb(ə)l,əˈstensəb(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: ostensible
stated or appearing to be true, but not necessarily so.
just had to google his name

 

[Gaaldornick]

just my 2 cents. but my spidey scene is kicking in the questions he is asking don't add up. seems more like the questions he is asking and digging deeper into are the mechanics of it something tells me he is someone working for blizzard just my intuition, and that has served me well in the past having never been banned.
os·ten·si·ble
/äˈstensəb(ə)l,əˈstensəb(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: ostensible
stated or appearing to be true, but not necessarily so.
just had to google his name

...........


If that's true....

I don't even..... so much lol.

Edit: Clarification, I am laughing at this post because of how ludacris it sounds for a blizzard employee to farm utterly worthless information from botters.

 

[joachimb]

next few months will be the hardest yet

Hey botanist, are you saying that because of all the updates that will imply time when bot will be down ? or do you mean other reasons ?

 

[OstensibleTree]

So you're gonna invest 70 x 5 and the bot costs 20 times 5?
Wow isn't a simple game to learn how to bot profitably especially with WOD coming in less then 1 month.

I think 99% sure you'll get more doing a parttime job then the hours you'll be putting in botting this game.
If you do decide to bot you might have to wait a while I have the feeling it could take till next month for us to see a stable build with all the upcoming updates.

The initial investment doesn't bother me. I'm going to start with one profile first for the first couple of months - try different things, see what works and what doesn't. I already have two accounts with one 90 and one 85, so I won't have a problem there. If after prospecting the market, cost/benefit, and overall risk and it still seems promising, then I'll get bigger from there (including setting up my own system just for botting)

Yeah, I just now learned that HB isn't working. I get a trial version and was like ".... what's going on"

 

[OstensibleTree]

There isn't a static increase in ban rate, example: for every bot you have an X% increased chance of getting banned, its more like while having more bots active generally means you have a higher chance of being reported across all the bots as they are covering more area and you have more visibility, Usually if you are running them on the same machine/ip if 1 gets banned the entire group will get banned. Running 5 at a time is optimal because you can RaF dungeonbuddy level them cutting leveling time down to 1-2 days if run 24 hours straight.

Majority of people will check sites like Ownedcore or Sythe for a gold buying company who resells gold(thats what i was talking about the .40c per k rate)

HB breaks all the time, the more bots you are running the more likely they will get stuck or something will happen and 1 of them will break similar to the ban rate thing, the more you have the more work it is to maintain them.

You're last question is a bit of a debate and its basically all on personal experience. Everyone has different opinions of how long you should bot for and what you should spend the time doing etc. There is no science of how long you bot to ban rate or anything like that. Most of the people i know who have been in the scene for at least a few years and are/have been active gold farmers mostly use the same strategy and this goes for myself as well, Suicide farming. You basically start 5 new battle chests, RaF them 1-85 in a day, bot them 24/7 and have them regularly deposit gold/items into a gbank (The GM of the Gbank is on separate account to your botting/farming accounts). You basically let them farm 24/7 until they get banned and then you do it all over again. Sometimes I have been banned in a week sometimes they have lasted 3+ months for me, it depends on the farming method/profile and a bit of luck. This is basically the general method most farmers use.

Yes you can get reloggers such as ARelog and HBRelogger that allow you to queue up actions such as bot from 8am - 12pm then take a random break inbetween 22 and 34 minutes etc and you can also get plugins/botbases that will let you schedule profile changes ect within the bot.

If you are an inexperienced botter I wouldn't recommend diving straight into this stuff, Its better to just have 1 account try some profiles and things out, get a feel for how it all works and go from there. In theory it all sounds great and seems like easy money but it never works out that way in practice. If it did most experienced botters would be rich by now.

Thanks, this is all good to know.

 

[Aaron6611]

The real money was in leveling accounts which is now obsolete. To make money with gold selling involves using tons of disposable accounts with very little profit and is not worth the investment any longer.

Unless you live in a third world country there are thousands of better ways to make money then botting warcraft.

This exact statement^ Unless earning $50USD a week is really good where you live and you can somehow acquire hundreds of dollars of computer hardware and WoW software its not worth it at all.