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You really think WoW wants to get rid of us that bad...if they could ban all of us theyd lose out on a lot of profit.
 
2009 called, they want their "they can ban us" logic back.
 
No he was referring to the silly little kids who think that Blizzard wont ban because they would lose too much money. Well, kids, this forum is great source of information as to why that is not true. If anything, they make more money. Ban a botter, he buys more accounts/keys and does it all over again. Ban-Buy-Repeat
 
This logic only works to a certain degree. They have rarely taken any "offensive" action towards botters, as all it does is temporarily slow us down, whereas the legal route is slower but more effective and rewarding.

Your logic is partly sound, being that any method they would use to create a banwave would take money, and from an economical standpoint spending money to lose a multiplicative value of that initial investment is obviously absurd. They will however, keep banning people to thin the herd or otherwise tarnish the image of their game. WoW players don't quit because of botters, but if the game's "image" was tarnished that concept would change. It depends on how Blizzard views botters from an economic standpoint as I surely oversimplified the concepts. The timeframe would match for another banwave, but Blizzard hasn't exactly been gaining subscribers throughout these past few years. It's in interesting catch 22, but they can't be underestimated as they're still on the legal path.
 
I believe you put too much faith into the pseudo veil of logic that helps you feel better about botting. Blizzard does want the cheaters gone but they want to do it without breaking us enough. Alot of people has left wow because it has become possibly the most cheated/easily abused major mmo in the market. I agree every MMO has its black market but right now soon the botters/cheaters will out number the legit players and that is when the game will pretty much topple.

It is healthy for Blizzard and the long term effect of wow to try to keep it as cheat free as possible. Me. If I get banned oh well I will most likely move on as I have 15 accounts active and do not take the path of the 15 dollar battle chest methods. Point is Blizzard will ban you eventually. They have more to lose by not banning you then letting us run scott free but until then I will enjoy the ride.

And I will admit I sort of tended to my own vices but when I see 12-15 people out of 25 in all lfr's now that really shows the number of us who use Honorbuddy now. Just WOW.
 
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MasterKilj said:
I believe you put too much faith into the pseudo veil into the logic that helps you feel better. Blizzard does want the cheaters gone but they want to do it without breaking us enough. Alot of people has left wow because it has become possibly the most cheated/easily abused major mmo in the market. I agree every MMO has its black market but right now soon the botters/cheaters will out number the legit players and that is when the game will pretty much topple.
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I assure you both of those statistics you just made up are not the majority. Play a FPS game and it's pretty much an third of the userbase hacking in some fashion. It being the most abused is true, but the game is also the biggest, so you're not accounting for the relative scale.

MasterKilj said:
It is healthy for Blizzard and the long term effect of wow to try to keep it as cheat free as possible. Point is Blizzard will ban you eventually. They have more to lose by not banning you then letting us run scott free but until then I will enjoy the ride.
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Nobody in this thread was arguing the long term practicality of letting the bot live. Blizzard has already taken long term action by suing us. It's also not very "big picture" to say botters are hurting them more when botters are a part of the fuel in a realm's economy, as well as the thousands of botters who pay Blizzard subscriptions. Removing them in healthy amounts keeps the game's image from turning sour, but in my years of raiding have I never heard of someone who quit the game because of botters. Honorbuddy deals too little damage to an individual botter to warrant that. If they remove too many, they do nothing but invite a new bot to the take power and they just lost a ton of money, but not banning people would destroy the game's image and actually make people leave. They know what they're doing, but they're not on a vendetta against us right now.
 
Well basically any statistic we theorize on here is at most conjecture. What we do know (this is the relative chaotic side within me) that honorbuddy has stayed the hand of Blizzard's executioner for way longer then any other cheat program out there and I feel that the larger target it gets the more Blizzard wants to tear it down. Honorbuddy has exploded in users by 3x fold since Cataclysm came out (itleast the amount of forum users registered) so going from the history of the wow and the numbers they release to the public as a traded company on the stock exchange the population of wow has always boomed after a bot was removed from the game.

The boosted 90's also seems to have increased the number of users but after Glider was taken out of the picture wow seemed to swell in subs back in 08-09. MMO Glider had over 100k users and if those people had multiple accounts that would easily be 300-400k. 2 months after MMO glider officially closed down in 09 subs rose to 8.5 million for wow. When PQR was busted down it showed the wow pop went from stagnating downward to gaining 250k users.
 
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Wow. It's like the Glider forums all over again....
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Gasp!! Talk about a slap in the face. Itleast the honorbuddy forums are way more civilized then the doom and gloom days of MMO glider. A good year before its ultimate closure people were blatantly threatening and accusing the creator of selling the entire account list and joining Blizzard's side. I dare say that the buddy forums has a higher standard then that.
 
These are some stats to see how Blizz is doing as it relates to WOW....

• World of Warcraft subscriber numbers 2014 | Statistic

It would appear that they have been in a semi steady decline since Q3 & Q4 in 2010 where they topped out at 12mil subscribers and the latest numbers showing them at 7.6mil in Q1 2014 which is the lowest since Q3 2006 when they were on the way up. I believe this is what has lead to certain changes we have seen in the WOW/Blizzard business model including the store aspect of things which has been pushed into our faces late last year to early this year.

Now that said it should also be noted from looking at their financials that their net income comparison between Q1 2013 and 2014 shows a significant drop in net income from 456Mil to 293Mil. However it should be pointed out having a net income of 293Mil is still nothing to sneeze at. So they are not losing money but not making as much money as they could.
 
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Gasp!! Talk about a slap in the face. Itleast the honorbuddy forums are way more civilized then the doom and gloom days of MMO glider. A good year before its ultimate closure people were blatantly threatening and accusing the creator of selling the entire account list and joining Blizzard's side. I dare say that the buddy forums has a higher standard then that.
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hah if HB did this someone at blizz would be getting alot of over time in adding the names to the ban list XD
 
MasterKilj said:
Gasp!! Talk about a slap in the face. Itleast the honorbuddy forums are way more civilized then the doom and gloom days of MMO glider. A good year before its ultimate closure people were blatantly threatening and accusing the creator of selling the entire account list and joining Blizzard's side. I dare say that the buddy forums has a higher standard then that.
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Haha. The last year was pretty mental yeah.

Btw, I didn't mean it as an offense. I <3'd the glider forums.... I meant it was peoples oldschool 'theories' about them not banning accounts due to wanting our monthly subs. etc. Such an old concept, proved wrong numerous times, yet it still pops up now and again (such as this thread).
 
Sigh. Personally to be honest Honorbuddy is almost too powerful. I guess this opinion of mine will be flamed to death for what I am about to say but I am of the mind that great programs like honorbuddy should have never been so cheaply given to the public. I am selfish that I will miss this bot if it goes the way of the mmo glider dodo but its huge red target and the fact that there is not a single wow player that does not know of the program will ultimately cause it not exsist

If Blizzard fails to remove the head that feeds such a powerful program then I feel they will take the nuclear option and start pushing hard like Rift did with HB. I am not so sure that Rift's strong anti cheating push was what led to its demise as the original millionaire backer of Rift left the project taking alot of its capital with him that dealt a huge blow and forced Rift to go free to play so I do not feel you can accurately use Rift as a stool to stand on when you talk about Blizzard needing honorbuddy users. Just chalk it up and realize that we deserve to be banned for what we do. Just come to that conclusion that you will be banned once you are caught then this game trully becomes fun with that feeling off your chest.
 
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