A lot of questions from a newbie

[Tweety]

Few questions about efficiency and profiles

Hey there guys!
I am new to HB and played WoW back in the day on WotLK, but after that I missed Cata and Panda.
I have never ever botted before on any game, and I've started using HB 4-5 days ago. Had a blast! Botted for like 24 hours straight - leveling, with me on the PC - watching the bot doing its magic.
After I got my char to 60 bought flying mount and starting grinding Kalimdor for ores to sell on the AH. My main goal is to sell Gold.

So far I've made around 10k gold for these 4 days, in which most of the time I was making profiles for the different regions with the idea ones I got 3 bots - 2 are going to grind, 1 is going to level up and make new profiles, after that the other two level to catch up the main and grind the profiles I wrote with the main / higher level one.

And one note, I am really down on money. If I wasn't I would've totally invested into this, but atm I am just buying 3 day trials for 1 euro and will continue do so un till the bot makes some cash so I can reinvest to buy a life time subscription. That being said I can't afford to buy Pandaria, I can level up to maximum of 80 level with the 3.75Euros WoW pack.

1. Obv. I am doing something wrong, selling Copper ore - Thorium ore on the AH is not that profitable + I leveled jewellery crafting to prospect the ores so I can put them on the AH in the way of Ore, Bar and Rubys/Diamonds/Etc.
Sadly with my calculations farming the ores on Kalimdor, with 150% speed fly mount, I can make a couple of Ks gold a day(10 stacks of ore per hours, each on around 30 gold per stack = 300 gold, for 10 hours a day = 3k gold), which is really not enough. My goal is to make at least 10k Gold per day with each bot.

Can you please advice me what to do? Should I just be patient and level up till 80 and THEN start farming? I wanted to make sure that this works and you can make some cash selling the gold, and I am a believer now, just not happy with my results. I didn't want to invest/wait 10 days to hit 80, or maybe even more time, so I can finally start farming. + there's the chance for ban meanwhile, before even start farming.

In my experience the bot needs 2-3 days for 1-60(with me supervising so I can unstuck him or when he kills 10183183 mobs to get to the important one and loses 10 hours in that I stop the bot to run to the proper position so I can save him time), idk how much it will take him for 60-80.

2. I wrote one profile to farm Runecloth but I don't know how to tell the bot to loot ONLY Runecloth and the Silver dropped. I don't want the random gray/green items that the mobs drop.
Can someone please tell me how to do that? I've searched a lot here on the forums and on the wiki, but I can't find that information.
Link to the profile: <HBProfile> <Name>Runecloth - Feralas</Name> <MinLevel>1</MinLevel> - Pastebin.com

3. I am trying to find a way to work with the AH efficiently. Atm I just put my staff for 12 hours and if they get mailed back I repost them. Downloaded that Trade Skill Master plugin, started making these groups with their settings, but... The plugin really can't make smart decisions.
For instance if there's 10 stacks of copper ore of 30g per stack and one stack posted from another guy for 20g - the bot undercuts the guy with 20, for 19.99, while the smart choice is to let him be with his 1 stack and undercut the guy with many stacks. I've had awhile back one add-on that correctly was making decisions when someone undercuts a lot the other guys with small quantity, he passes him and undercuts the guys with the big quantities. Sadly I can't find the add-on. So what I am using atm is an add-on that just shows me quantity and price and I choose which one to be undercut. What I can do though is to tell the TSM a set price, which is 20-30% under everyone else and post 10 stacks and after I get the email that they are sold to repost them.
I've found out about that AHBuddy - http://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorb...sionbuddy-ahbuddy-full-auction-house-bot.html
But I haven't give it time to test it, to learn to use it.
Is it the best solution for botters?

Also do I mail all the staff to sell to the account that AFKs on the AH scanning for sales/undercuts? Or do I make guild and put all my bots in one Guild so they can transfer through the GBank?



Sorry that I got so many questions and most probably I could've found answers to most of them here on the forums or in the wiki, but I assure you - I did tried to find an answer and I couldn't

Thx to everyone who are kind enough to help me out!

 

[Tweety]

bump I guess? 70 views, no answers.
Everyone are as new to HB as me?

 

[neodite]

1) Yes, wait till you are 80 before you start farming. Wrath/Cata/MoP items are more profitable.

2) No, HB does not do this (There is probably a plugin tho) Or you can use a WoW addon (Tidybags or something like that I belive) It wont stop you looting stuff, but it will destroy them after you have looted them.

3) Yes, but jesus do not undercut people by that much!

 

[eagles2010]

I agree with the above. Lower level ores and cloth have a very limited use. Having an enchanter will probably be your only other option at lower levels to make some gold. The lower dusts can be profitable on some servers.

 

[Tweety]

1) Yes, wait till you are 80 before you start farming. Wrath/Cata/MoP items are more profitable.

2) No, HB does not do this (There is probably a plugin tho) Or you can use a WoW addon (Tidybags or something like that I belive) It wont stop you looting stuff, but it will destroy them after you have looted them.

3) Yes, but jesus do not undercut people by that much!

Thank you very much for the reply!

About 3) - I think you didn't get it.
If on the market there are 11 stacks of copper, 10 posted at 30g per stack, and 1 stack posted at 20g per stack - the TSM, and all other plugins I've seen except one, undercut the lowest seen on the AH - and posts your f stacks for 19.99. While what I would do is to post my 5 stacks copper for 29.99, because there will be only 1 stack with lower price - ones someone buys it, I am next, and the profit between 19.99 and 29.99 is huge so in order to sell with 1 stack faster I will lose 33% value. I hope I explained it well enough this time.

about 1) Alright, will start leveling un till 80 and ones I get 80 then I will start grinding. I will also have 300% mount so it will be faster process as well.

2) Thank you, I googled some addons and I think this is what I've needed: Trashcan - Bags & Inventory - World of Warcraft Addons - Curse
I hope it's automated, no need to press GUI buttons or to type commands, others needed that.


Alright, please if you have spare minute help me choose a AH bot or suggest me a solution.
I don't want to waste my time at AH, posting my items manually. Event hough I already explained at 3) how the bots / plugins are not that smart.
I guess if an items IMO is worth 28-30 g I can set it to undercut everything up to 25g, BUT again - if someone sells 2 stacks at 20, and next stacks are at 30, the stupid bot/addon will post at 25 - the minimum I've set(when there's someone under the minimum the addons like TSM post at minimum value). Maybe I just have to set a small amount of stacks? so if on the market we have:
1 stack of 20g
20 stacks of 30g
My min price is 25g, the A will look after posting:
1 stack of 20g
5 stacks of 25 g(MINE)
20 stacks of 30g
and after someone buys the one at 20 and mine at 25 he the bot will repost at 29? (I am thinking... while writing here)

BACK TO THE QUESTION: What you think is the best free AH bot?
Found out this one here Salesman: http://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorb...t-salesman-very-powerful-easy-use-ah-bot.html
And this one here Ahbuddy: http://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorb...sionbuddy-ahbuddy-full-auction-house-bot.html

Any other alternatives?

 

[frosticus]

what is your goal with botting? just to make money? these are bad times to bot for money.

how much money do you expect to make botting? how many hours do you expect to offer to the Bot Gods?

many of us have learned the answers to your questions through trial and error. o and the search function works. although, if you use google and just add HB to your search string, you will get better results.

last but not least, read the guides, they will tell you much more info than you will receive than asking others to do the research for you.

and before you start typing your shitty entitled response, this is a forum user being nice. you dont want some others who reside here to get on your ass for being a little lazy.

 

[boofoo]

Thank you very much for the reply!

About 3) - I think you didn't get it.
If on the market there are 11 stacks of copper, 10 posted at 30g per stack, and 1 stack posted at 20g per stack - the TSM, and all other plugins I've seen except one, undercut the lowest seen on the AH - and posts your f stacks for 19.99. While what I would do is to post my 5 stacks copper for 29.99, because there will be only 1 stack with lower price - ones someone buys it, I am next, and the profit between 19.99 and 29.99 is huge so in order to sell with 1 stack faster I will lose 33% value. I hope I explained it well enough this time.

about 1) Alright, will start leveling un till 80 and ones I get 80 then I will start grinding. I will also have 300% mount so it will be faster process as well.

2) Thank you, I googled some addons and I think this is what I've needed: Trashcan - Bags & Inventory - World of Warcraft Addons - Curse
I hope it's automated, no need to press GUI buttons or to type commands, others needed that.


Alright, please if you have spare minute help me choose a AH bot or suggest me a solution.
I don't want to waste my time at AH, posting my items manually. Event hough I already explained at 3) how the bots / plugins are not that smart.
I guess if an items IMO is worth 28-30 g I can set it to undercut everything up to 25g, BUT again - if someone sells 2 stacks at 20, and next stacks are at 30, the stupid bot/addon will post at 25 - the minimum I've set(when there's someone under the minimum the addons like TSM post at minimum value). Maybe I just have to set a small amount of stacks? so if on the market we have:
1 stack of 20g
20 stacks of 30g
My min price is 25g, the A will look after posting:
1 stack of 20g
5 stacks of 25 g(MINE)
20 stacks of 30g
and after someone buys the one at 20 and mine at 25 he the bot will repost at 29? (I am thinking... while writing here)

BACK TO THE QUESTION: What you think is the best free AH bot?
Found out this one here Salesman: http://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorb...t-salesman-very-powerful-easy-use-ah-bot.html
And this one here Ahbuddy: http://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorb...sionbuddy-ahbuddy-full-auction-house-bot.html

Any other alternatives?

Use http://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorb...ver2-deletes-opens-sells-items-your-bags.html

Much better than an addon through WoW.

 

[Tweety]

what is your goal with botting? just to make money?[/QUOTE] To make money only, yes.

these are bad times to bot for money.

how much money do you expect to make botting? how many hours do you expect to offer to the Bot Gods?

My goal is for next 30 days to learn how to make 30$ a day - with the idea of 1 or 2 bot to make 10$ a day, which would mean eventually if I run 10 bots to make 50-100$ with all of them. After that however it goes - if I learn a lot of gold making tactics, expand on many servers, hopefully more.

I am a hardworker. I see myself working on/with the bots 16+ hours a day. - While they farm with X accounts, with 1 other to search new spots to farm or read on the net ways to make more profit with professions.

many of us have learned the answers to your questions through trial and error. o and the search function works. although, if you use google and just add HB to your search string, you will get better results.

I will try searching the way you advised. Already found one thread about expensive JC gems, which looked promising, but I don't have Panda expansion. Might consider investing into one account with panda, see how it goes and if it's worth it - make all the bot accounts panda accounts.

last but not least, read the guides, they will tell you much more info than you will receive than asking others to do the research for you.

I know that. I am not asking for some super-duper secrets. Just general tips from someone with experience. All I need is to be driven in the right direction. I really wanted to start with up to 20-25 euros investment, but I guess in order to make it work I need atleast 3 accounts panda = 40 euros per account for the game + 25(for life time) or + 6(for a month to test it out and not spend more money) euros per account.

and before you start typing your shitty entitled response, this is a forum user being nice. you dont want some others who reside here to get on your ass for being a little lazy.

I am not lazy. Like with everything new - I am lost. All I need is a little guidenes.

Use http://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorb...ver2-deletes-opens-sells-items-your-bags.html

Much better than an addon through WoW.

Thx for the link. Will try it out, it seems to have similar, almost equal functionality to the add-on.

I agree with the above. Lower level ores and cloth have a very limited use. Having an enchanter will probably be your only other option at lower levels to make some gold. The lower dusts can be profitable on some servers.

Thx for the reply, will invest time into leveling.

 

[crispybacon]

and before you start typing your shitty entitled response, this is a forum user being nice. you dont want some others who reside here to get on your ass for being a little lazy.

There's nothing wrong with asking a few things on a forum, that's one of the reasons why we have forums. If someone is bothered by that he should just shut the fuck up, grow up and stick to the threads where no one asks anyone for help or tips. Simple as that.

 

[Lavai]

As someone mentioned before, Enchanting is probably one of the best options for lower levels (especially BC and Cata stuff, but that's just my experience). Also, it's pretty server dependent - just figure out the market on your server. I'm on 3 different servers, and the differences couldn't be any greater. On server a) Hypnotic Dust goes for 300G/Stack, whereas on Server b) the stack is 40G (both for weeks or even months now). That's just an example, it applies to many other items also. Just get a feeling for the trade on your server, and you'll figure what's best to farm.

In general I agree with neodite, level up to at least 80 until you start (serious) farming.

 

[Tweety]

Thank you very much to everyone who helped in this thread!

I will most probably invest more then I wanted to in this, can you please tell me how do YOU cut your expenses to minimum?

I am thinking to start with 3x 1 month bot license + 3x WoW accounts of 80 lvl (basic WoW with WotLK) = 3x6 + 3x4 = 30 Euros
Farm up for that one month.
With the money made invest to make one of the accounts upgraded to Pandanaria = 35 Euros.

If I buy Cata, for 5 Euros, do I get another 30 free days or Cata doesn't give you free days?

 

[Tweety]

Thank you very much to everyone who helped in this thread!

I will most probably invest more then I wanted to in this, can you please tell me how do YOU cut your expenses to minimum?

I am thinking to start with 3x 1 month bot license + 3x WoW accounts of 80 lvl (basic WoW with WotLK) = 3x6 + 3x4 = 30 Euros
Farm up for that one month.
With the money made invest to make one of the accounts upgraded to Pandanaria = 35 Euros.

If I buy Cata, for 5 Euros, do I get another 30 free days or Cata doesn't give you free days?

/bump
I really need answer to previous questions.

 

[Botanist]

You only get 30 days free gametime with a battle chect purchase, I believe.

 

[Tweety]

You only get 30 days free gametime with a battle chect purchase, I believe.

That's correct.
But if you update to Cata will you get another 30 days?
Then if you update to Panda - will you get another 30 days?
Or with buying expansion you don't receive free days?

 

[aiming]

You don't get any gametime with updating to Pandaria

 

[Tweety]

You don't get any gametime with updating to Pandaria

That's what I needed to know.
So once you buy WoW, which includes BC and WotLK, you get 1 month free time.
But after that upgrading to Cata/Panda does not give you extra time. You gotta purchase.
There's no way to save some bucks.

 

[diablofan]

Your ambitions are a bit tard high for a new HB user, Most likely end up banned pretty soon

 

[Tweety]

Your ambitions are a bit tard high for a new HB user, Most likely end up banned pretty soon

Thx for the response. It's... hmmmm... informative? But it isn't helpful.

If you think I will overdo something and get attention on to me, you are free to advice me what NOT to do.
Eeventhough I've already read a lot of the threads in the section of banned users, the thread how many hours you bot a day, all the threads with general tips don't be a moron and try your accounts to look like human ones and so on.

 

[Botanist]

Thx for the response. It's... hmmmm... informative? But it isn't helpful.

If you think I will overdo something and get attention on to me, you are free to advice me what NOT to do.
Eeventhough I've already read a lot of the threads in the section of banned users, the thread how many hours you bot a day, all the threads with general tips don't be a moron and try your accounts to look like human ones and so on.

Bro, what these guys are telling you is that you are a noob, not meant as an insult. And that as a noob, you are going to get your head torn off by Blizz and they are going to shit down your neck because you have no idea what you are doing. I don't know how to make it any plainer. Might wanna start out with one account and see how long you keep it.

 

[Tweety]

you are going to get your head torn off by Blizz and they are going to shit down your neck

Oh, this part made me laugh so hard hahaha

Might wanna start out with one account and see how long you keep it.

The thing is that I will not leave any bot/s not monitored. So if I monitor only one... it seems like a waste of time, because I can do it for 3 at ones, even more.
This is why my plan is to start with 3. I've been already leveling them, with the plans once I hit 60 lvl with a fly mount - one of them stays to grind Azeroth and another at 80 will grind outland/northrend with 280 fly.

You are as well... hmm... informative I guess? With a good advice to start with only one bot. Thank you for that advice, I understand why you are advising me that, but I will have to push it for three.

It would be awesome of you if as experienced guy with 2 000 posts here on the forum decide to save me some time and potential mistakes you think I will do.