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BM Hunter DPS Comparison

DewdInTheNewd said:
I always have bare bones settings on every CR I test, no frills, just DPS.

If your PureRotation isn't doing readiness it sounds really out of date. Back when 5.3 hit (blink strikes change) none of the CRs (at the time) would properly use readiness.
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I have to apologize. Set up the whole HB installation all new - seems something was interfering with the readiness use. Now Readiness is working correctly.

Still @iLevel 470 TuanHA outperforms Pure 59 over 54K DPS. (used Dire Beast on Pure, Fervor on TuanHA because Pure did not activate Fervor at all for me).
 
forthe, I believe what was previously said still holds true, some of these profiles are for end game raiders and are going to perform different based on the gear you have. If you are playing BM you should be using dire beast anyway, but even with that 470 ilvl should be pulling higher dps than the mid 50s. Perhaps you should also take a look at your gearing as well.
 
alxaw said:
Most of our routines are solely based of T15 rotations which is the latest from simluationcraft with testing in mind.
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What is T15 lol, I don't PvE what part of the rotation need to be changed?
 
offensive said:
If you are playing BM you should be using dire beast anyway,
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Neither Femaledwarf nor Simcraft do suggest that. Can you enlighten me why I should?

but even with that 470 ilvl should be pulling higher dps than the mid 50s.
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Entirely unbuffed on a raid dummy? Not really. Again - I ran the numbers through Femaledwarf and Simcraft and roughly 60K-ish is what both return for those settings.

If it's not a matter of settings probably TuanHA can't handle the set boni or the increased focus regeneration or something. But other than it performs pretty well for me.
 
Sigh. Like I mentioned, your results with things like Femdwarf are going to be gear dependent. Here is my Female Dwarf sim with Dire Beast:
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And here is mine with Fervor:

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If you are still running T14 gear, then fervor is probably better for you (it was for me during t14).

All of that aside, with my gear, tuanha is usually the worst performing routine when I run it, for both BM and SV.
 
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offensive said:
Sigh. Like I mentioned, your results with things like Femdwarf are going to be gear dependent.

If you are still running T14 gear, then fervor is probably better for you (it was for me during t14).
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There is really no need for a "Sigh". Ignoring the incorrect modelling of "Dire Beast" in the past "Fervor" at least pulls ahead in AoE thus being a very reasonable talent choice unless some T15 exclusive mechanics change that in general, too.

All of that aside, with my gear, tuanha is usually the worst performing routine when I run it, for both BM and SV.
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In that case it must have been greatly improved - or may have been a setting issue in the past (or a tyrael frame lock issue). At least when comparing it with "The Beastmaster" and "Mark II" both of these had fairly clearly visible flaws in the rotation (capping focus/spamming Arcane Shot up to a point where KC could not be used though off cooldown/dropping serpent sting frequently).

I'll test a little bit more.

On a side note: Femaledwarf and Simcraft seem to produce significantly different results at least for me at the moment. Where Simcraft projects merely 1K DPS loss for Dire Beast femaledwarf calculates a 6K DPS loss...

I'm still having problems with pure using any of the T5 Talents properly at the moment...
 
DewdInTheNewd said:
Dire Beast = Single target
Fervor = AoE

^--- BM only
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Not necessarily for every gear composition - for example for my gear (now@480) Fervor is better in both AoE and single target Situations. Nonetheless it should be used by any CR if the player decided to spec into it. From what I've seen pure's code suggests that it's implemented - but since I'm a total noob on that code I've no clue, why it's not working.

On a related topic: TuanHA seems to create huge lagspikes when run w/ Tyrael and framelock on. (Screen minifreezes frequently though 50 fps+ are displayed constantly - all interface addons turned off, wow cache cleared).
 
fortehlulz said:
Not necessarily for every gear composition - for example for my gear (now@480) Fervor is better in both AoE and single target Situations. Nonetheless it should be used by any CR if the player decided to spec into it. From what I've seen pure's code suggests that it's implemented - but since I'm a total noob on that code I've no clue, why it's not working.

On a related topic: TuanHA seems to create huge lagspikes when run w/ Tyrael and framelock on. (Screen minifreezes frequently though 50 fps+ are displayed constantly - all interface addons turned off, wow cache cleared).
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Tuans don't support framelock i think.
 
hey guys im hoping one of the pure devs can help with the rotation pauses im getting while using BM, i have posted on pure thread but i was hoping someone who works on the hunter part might be hanging out here. i know this aint the polace for this so ill leave it ath that, just to add that it seems pause right before it would normally use kill command in the rotation, if i click it myself the rotation resumes.

sometimes may only happen once in a given fight otertimes 10+ times.
 
Tuan on top? I thought his code had too many checks and was relatively slower than the rest. Color me very impressed!
 
tsikinator said:
Tuan on top? I thought his code had too many checks and was relatively slower than the rest. Color me very impressed!
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I think next release will auto remove "too many check" in Raid / Dungeon because there no mob which have Scatter Shot to stop dps or mob have Divine Shield immune to everything anything and other more headache aura like Hand of Protection that immune to physical damage but you can still Arcane Shot / Tranquilizing dispel shot...

BTW I don't raid on my hunter so thank DewdInTheNewd keep me updated in PvE side.
 
tsikinator said:
Tuan on top? I thought his code had too many checks and was relatively slower than the rest. Color me very impressed!
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Yeah, it was unexpected for sure. Usually PQR or PR is on top but now it doesn't seem like the case.

I will say PQR is the best to use in terms of performance though, it's so smooth and doesn't tax your game at all. Best of all if you crash or w/e you dont have to go through the mandatory "wait 5-10 min" thing for logging in to Honorbuddy again.
 
DewdInTheNewd said:
Yeah, it was unexpected for sure. Usually PQR or PR is on top but now it doesn't seem like the case.

I will say PQR is the best to use in terms of performance though, it's so smooth and doesn't tax your game at all. Best of all if you crash or w/e you dont have to go through the mandatory "wait 5-10 min" thing for logging in to Honorbuddy again.
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You don't have to at all. I quickly log on to buddyauth.com, kill my session and start up again. Back in the game in 1 minute.
 
Soeski said:
You don't have to at all. I quickly log on to buddyauth.com, kill my session and start up again. Back in the game in 1 minute.
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I dont have a buddyauth login or anything, just my HB "login" that is a 12+ digit code or w/e
 
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