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Wotb build running ww/hota?

since it's a bot don't bother using hota. im at 450k dps with passive and 770k buffed, hota still got me killed too often in mp10 elite profiles. i have about 900k ehp too. so ww is simply better for a bot.
 
...that's the point of the thread!
And I'm not exactly satisfied with ww/skipping elites. Yeah I can do
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Or better but I never actually find anything good skipping elites. The quality in drops seems to plummet dramatically doing that. When I farm essences I actually find sellable things!
Every time I skip elites I am quickly reminded why it sucks. Botting for a day or two straight and coming up with nothing really sucks

If someone can code this into trinity as I said with just a few needed adjustments, it would top any prior systems people have in place currently guaranteed
 
Someone should make a Fraps recording of how this "should" work. I added HOTA'ing elites to the latest Trinity, did that help?
 
rrrix said:
Someone should make a Fraps recording of how this "should" work. I added HOTA'ing elites to the latest Trinity, did that help?
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my char is almost 800k with passive and buffs, he dies like 15 times per hour with near 900k EHP farming mp10 act2. when the char hp is low, he needs to use ww to regen and get away from aoes, when he is at full hp and fury, he needs to spam hota. I tried with a -5 fury stone of jordan and other ehp gears. hota is just not working well. i can help you test even more if you need. this is us top barb. i imagine a budget build would die even more with hota.
 
supermonkey said:
my char is almost 800k with passive and buffs, he dies like 15 times per hour with near 900k EHP farming mp10 act2. when the char hp is low, he needs to use ww to regen and get away from aoes, when he is at full hp and fury, he needs to spam hota. I tried with a -5 fury stone of jordan and other ehp gears. hota is just not working well. i can help you test even more if you need. this is us top barb. i imagine a budget build would die even more with hota.
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So - you want it to spam HOTA when > 50% health (I can make that adjustable in the settings), and WW "away" when < 50%?

Also I assume this is with WOTB? Can you link the build you're specifically using? Barbarian - Game Guide - Diablo III
 
rrrix said:
So - you want it to spam HOTA when > 50% health (I can make that adjustable in the settings), and WW "away" when < 50%?

Also I assume this is with WOTB? Can you link the build you're specifically using? Barbarian - Game Guide - Diablo III
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yea. when the char has 50+ hp and full fury, he should stop spamming ww and start spamming hota on elite, and ww away when he is low on hp. now the char prioritize ww first and waste most of fury on spinning.
rend can be replaced by bash for elite hunting profiles. I enjoyed your work and thank you.
 
problems currently are:
with blue elites, or in general, when hammering elites, also account for the mobs around them. If while hammering life is getting low, use whirlwind.
with yellow elites, don't hammer the white underlings first. just hit yellow.

optional:
stack elites for hota when viable.
don't kamikaze champs when there is a bunch of bad things inc. Say a champ has fire poison and arcane. the bot will start spamming hota, then when there's a bunch of void zones and lasers up, the bot will continue to hammer without thinking about avoidance.

That's honestly about it.
Also, thank you for noticing the thread rrix. your work is phenomenal, an honor to have you in my thread.
following spec has me at 1-1.1k iph. Barbarian - Game Guide - Diablo III
 
ifuckinpaidforit said:
problems currently are:
with blue elites, or in general, when hammering elites, also account for the mobs around them.
with yellow elites, don't hammer the white underlings first. just hit yellow.

optional:
stack elites for hota when viable.
don't kamikaze champs when there is a bunch of bad things inc. Say a champ has fire poison and arcane. the bot will start spamming hota, then when there's a bunch of void zones and lasers up, the bot will continue to hammer without thinking about avoidance.

That's honestly about it.
Also, thank you for noticing the thread rrix. your work is phenomenal, an honor to have you in my thread.
following spec has me at 1-1.1k iph. Barbarian - Game Guide - Diablo III
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How do you generate Fury with this build? And what sort of weapon do you use?
 
right now I'm using 2 rare axes, I've used a rare axe/ef in the past. I also have quite good gear. 500 all res, 303 dps unbuffed with soj, and run dahlgur oasis almost exclusively. Haven't reset my stats in over 3 days and wasn't using hota so they wont be accurate. Here's a pic instead. I gain rage from getting hit, and the elite is usually dead by the time my rage pool gets low, and then I'm on to the next pack to get rage back. Or the dmg from the elite is enough to keep me full rage. Works like a charm, but is very gear dependent. Which is why I think this build doesn't get a lot of attention in the first place botwise. MP is 8
On a seperate note, barbs with high life steal can possibly benefit from superstition, try it out if your looking to up your rage gen/dmg reduc and have enough LS

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That is a good idea for an adjustable bar. Would it be possible to have another one to tell the bot to WW instead of HOTA when facing elites. I noticed that it uses HOTA in the middle of a trash pack 10+ and doesnt always go so well

The new trinity version really handles hota well though thanks rrrix

Just made the switch to killing elites and im sitting at about 1000 iph. definitely not going back to skipping elites. much more of a challenge this way
 
itraxx said:
Great ifea. Any Eta in this rrrrix? Us it difficult to implement this?
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It's not necessarily hard to implement just this, but, everyone has their own playstyle.

It sounds like it needs to:

* HOTA when only elites are in range, and no trash, and only above X% health
* WW always when only trash

It will be hard to 'stack' them, to get them all in the same spot. That's something humans can do well but bots kinda suck at (e.g. finding if/when we can do this, and finding a location to kite to, then determining if it worked).

I had started working on an 'Avoid death' thing a while back, but, it never really worked. I think if I can get that working, then the bot will know to WW away on low health (and find a good place to WW to).
 
rrrix said:
It's not necessarily hard to implement just this, but, everyone has their own playstyle.

It sounds like it needs to:

* HOTA when only elites are in range, and no trash, and only above X% health
* WW always when only trash

It will be hard to 'stack' them, to get them all in the same spot. That's something humans can do well but bots kinda suck at (e.g. finding if/when we can do this, and finding a location to kite to, then determining if it worked).

I had started working on an 'Avoid death' thing a while back, but, it never really worked. I think if I can get that working, then the bot will know to WW away on low health (and find a good place to WW to).
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I agree that a full "death-avoid routine" is not easy to implement. What I would recomend is to start with an option where we can set the minmum health to use HOTA on elites. Below this level the bot should start to WW until HP is FULL again.


We could start to test this option and see how it goes. If it works well we can maybe do the next step and work on the WW logic a bit more. But for now I would keep it simple.

At least for me this feature would be fantastic, because I play with your "Simple Follow" plugin and a group of four Barbs. So survivability of my toons is more important than peak damage with HOTA.
 
While we are on the topic of trinity adjustments, can you tell me why DB decides to repeatedly move sometimes? I didnt get a chance to get a good pic of it, but here's what happens.
The bot for whatever reason keeps tornado up under the champ as its first priority. At the same time, I think it was trying to whirlwind something to the southeast. Also the mob in question also has jailer so that makes the situation worse. When the frost bomb goes off, characters can die from no life leech/damage. This is the worst scenario for a barbarian without wotb up to run into.

Is there a way to deter the bot from getting into a double outcome decision like this? The main issue is the survivability completely drops off. It strafing left and right really fast as if saying "go here no there no here" etc.Fighting a freezing mob with jailer while running around trying to keep tornadoes is just completely unrealistic. What the bot should've done is focus on that mob, bash, and hota and maybe consider tornadoes.

Is it possible that the barb combat code acts like wrath is always up? Keeping tornadoes up on freeze bomb elites with wrath is obviously a completely different scenario. But it shouldn't even be nearly as concerned with keeping tornadoes up under elites as he is. He's got hammer for elites.
Also a friendly reminder, mobs with mirror images can be an issue. Sometimes the bot will be hammering the wrong ones. If it cant tell which elite is true, it should whirlwind them, not hammer individually. Again don't hit white underlings of yellow champs with hammer first. hit only the yellow champ or whirlwind to it if needed.

Also to those who questioned my build earlier, I actually picked up bash and the runs are much smoother now. Sometimes I was dying because of meleeing for ~2 sec in front of mp8 smashing elites. Those who are looking to use hammer but are farming on a lower mp level, you can probably get away with it and keep rend for trash mobs.

Here's the pic in question. This guy took about 20-30 seconds to kill just because the bot was panicking with the frost bombs.
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rrrix said:
It's not necessarily hard to implement just this, but, everyone has their own playstyle.

It sounds like it needs to:

* HOTA when only elites are in range, and no trash, and only above X% health
* WW always when only trash

another choice：
if fury<50% ww，otherwise hota
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lastest build is running pretty nice, keep it up rrrix!
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Edit: Getting a solid 1100+ now, clear improvement. Hovered around 1000 before.
edit 2: something a little frustrating that's killing me is stunning elites. Fighting elites can be troublesome with hota primary because you can miss having tornadoes under the elites so when you don't attack for 2 seconds and eat a ton of attacks so you can die. Also I think this is a well noticed problem, but the new trinity and gniller seems to be bugging. I stash maybe an item a day with config set to 175.
 
I can never seem to match WW/rend using this build, I always end up going back. Within minutes of switching back to my old build as much as I love to see hammers, I see solid 1300-1400 instead of 1000-1100 :(
Oh well, I guess for now trinity is just not suited for it.
 
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