Why Blizzard Cannot Justly Ban Accounts

[Lichd2]

read the eula

48 CFR 1852.227-86 - Commercial computer software

"For purposes of receiving updates, correction notices, consultation, and similar activities on the computer software, the User may sign any agreement, license, or registration form or card and return it directly to the vendor/contractor; however, such signing shall not alter any of the terms and conditions of this clause."

 

[Nam3]

The negativity of some people is surprising.. However the first person to say the world was round was thrown in jail. Some things never change.

It was common knowledge between almost every civilization dating back 10,000+ years that the earth was round. All you needed was a solstice in two locations and a stick to prove this. Stone hedge, ancient pyramids, mayans all knew this. They didn't throw anyone in jail for discovering this, lol. You must be stuck in Europe during the dark ages. Read a book, or better yet, the Diablo 3 EULA.

It's called a "Software License" you should look that up too.

Blizzard Entertainmentiablo III End User License Agreement

First thing you see,

"THIS SOFTWARE IS LICENSED, NOT SOLD. BY INSTALLING, COPYING OR OTHERWISE USING THE GAME (DEFINED BELOW), YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED TO INSTALL, COPY OR USE THE GAME. IF YOU REJECT THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT WITHIN THIRTY (30) DAYS AFTER YOUR PURCHASE, YOU MAY CALL (800) 757-7707 TO REQUEST A FULL REFUND OF THE PURCHASE PRICE."

Then read 2, c. then 3, then 4, then 8. It's all there for you.

 

[naut]

It was common knowledge between almost every civilization dating back 10,000+ years that the earth was round. All you needed was a calender and a stick to prove this. Stone hedge, ancient pyramids, mayans all knew this. They didn't throw anyone in jail for discovering this, lol. You must be stuck in Europe during the dark ages. Read a book, or better yet, the Diablo 3 EULA.

You really need to do some reading about Galileo.

As for the rest, clearly didn't read the rest of the topic so I'm not going to bother with a real response.

The point is you do not sign that until after your purchase. If you could get over your arrogance for half a second you may have actually read what I wrote.

You are exactly the reason they have gotten away with this injustice for this long, maggot.

Edit: Just noticed your avatar, I understand why you hate the world, I forgive you.

 

[Nam3]

You really need to do some reading about Galileo.

As for the rest, clearly didn't read the rest of the topic so I'm not going to bother with a real response.

The point is you do not sign that until after your purchase. If you could get over your arrogance for half a second you may have actually read what I wrote.

You are exactly the reason they have gotten away with this injustice for this long, maggot.

Wow someone is butthurt. I just LOL'd with your remarks so I opened with that but go back and read what is on topic. Then read this;
48 CFR 1852.227-86 - Commercial computer software
It states you do not need to sign anything before purchase.

As for the offtopic;
Galileo lived what, 400 years ago? Guess what was 400 years ago, the dark ages. Thanks for proving my point you. Let me share this with you. He wasn't the first person to say the earth was round. Many people proved this thousands of years before. How? A stick in one place during the winter solstice casts no shadow, while a stick thousands of kilometers away will cast one. Galileo needed to invent his telescope first. The main reason why he was thrown in jail was because he was challenging the faith of Catholics with his philosophical views. Catholics ruled Europe at the time.

Lol thanks for the laugh though, Galileo the first person to say the earth was round.

Edit; Try reading up on Pythagoras. He was one of the first Europeans recorded in modern literature to say the earth was round. Then you can get into how and why the Stonehenge matches with astronomical events like the solstices and changing of the constellations. Clearly the builders of these monoliths knew the earth was round and they lived an estimated ~3000 BCE, 5k years ago. There's more on other continents if you want, "maggot."

 

[kork09]

^ the perfect example of the burger and shotgun american generation

there is first the breach of the license agreement <= which is extremely debatable if you've actually breached it or not based . there are tons of holes in it as well as discriminatory and biased behaviour from the license giver

second there is the question if you do actually breach it . what happens then . this is where the op comes in and says , botting , besides the point or not really because botting does not harm blizzard in any shape or form(my example earlier) . i paid money for this now i lost my money as i can't use it why not wipe my progression/account but let me still play it as i paid for it (and if i remember correctly this is how world of tanks does they tell u they caught u cheating and that the only way to play it is to wipe the account) . perfectly valid


P.S And trust me this is only the beginning as more people stand up like the op , shitty game companies will pay the price with massive negativity such as arenanet did with gw2 with the whole karma thing - which afterwards they actually admitted to be wrong about they even made a trade post merchant called "kripp" as the streamer who got banned and others such as blizzard will get theirs in time as people get smarter

 

[Polyester]

You really need to do some reading about Galileo.

As for the rest, clearly didn't read the rest of the topic so I'm not going to bother with a real response.

The point is you do not sign that until after your purchase. If you could get over your arrogance for half a second you may have actually read what I wrote.

You are exactly the reason they have gotten away with this injustice for this long, maggot.

Edit: Just noticed your avatar, I understand why you hate the world, I forgive you.

to be clear you know that the retail box states that use of the software is subject to the terms of use (tos) and end user license agreement (eula)? even if you wanted to argue that you "dont have to sign anything" before purchasing it, it states on the box where to find the tos and eula.

 

[IGG]

kork09, you think that every d3 player should be protected from bans? Botters take the majority of bans, and it was always the best way to protect game economy. The botters will be the 1st and main victim of non-banning politic (here's the example: since the last december big banwave, the gold price felt singnificantly as a result of non-banning politic, from 0.25 to 0.02)

 

[kork09]

kork09, you think that every d3 player should be protected from bans?

db users yes each and everyone (who doesn't bot 24/7)

others who use speed hacks / map hacks/ flying and such => account wipe but with the possibility to play fresh new

here's the example: since the last december big banwave, the gold price felt singnificantly as a result of non-banning politic, from 0.25 to 0.02

i've explained this in other posts around here . the root cause of gold value drop is not the direct result of botters but of many other things . botters can be thought of freaky no life players that play a lot.
they don't ban in diablo3 currently but they do ban a lot in wow.

 

[IGG]

the root cause of gold value drop is not the direct result of botters but of many other things

That's an stupid opinion. How many bots do you have? Imagine ppl with 1000+ bots (yes, there are some botters who had 50-100 bots in summer, I think now they have over 1k bots, maybe several thousand). They bot not for fun, they bot to rape that game and get $$$. If big botters will be sure that there will be no bans, they'll buy a lot of accs and just double\triple the number of bots and the gold will be pushed lower 2-3+ times.

 

[kork09]

That's an stupid opinion. How many bots do you have? Imagine ppl with 1000+ bots (yes, there are some botters who had 50-100 bots in summer, I think now they have over 1k bots, maybe several thousand). .

well you are stupid . there are much smarter ways to deal with such things . you can bot smart or you can bot dumb (ex botting hell for gold as opposed to inferno for items )
it is all in the game design ,how players get the items , content and tons of things which could be done. the simplest way is to simply ban which in my opinion is not even legal.

 

[UFCFreak89]

You lost the case as soon as you clicked "I agree", if you do not agree, you simply return the game. Even blizzard can directly refund you if you have a copy of your receipt you can forward to them.

There's no way you win, sorry.

 

[IGG]

well you are stupid . there are much smarter ways to deal with such things . you can bot smart or you can bot dumb (ex botting hell for gold as opposed to inferno for items )
it is all in the game design ,how players get the items , content and tons of things which could be done. the simplest way is to simply ban which in my opinion is not even legal.

new content against thousands of bots? are you joking? Every game that won't BAN cheaters will be f@cked really fast.

BTW last big banwave of chinese bots increased gold price x2, and that price was almost stable for ~2 weeks while chinese rebuilt their farms.

 

[kork09]

Even blizzard can directly refund you if you have a copy of your receipt you can forward to them.

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Sure there are actually two possibilities .
- refund so that i can replace my banned account with a new one so that i can "cheat" again
-account wipe , so that i can at least play even if fresh new. and i will of course "cheat" again.
Anything else which implies account ban and not being able to play under any circumstances is called stealing.

new content against thousands of bots? are you joking? Every game that won't BAN cheaters will be f@cked really fast.

BTW last big banwave of chinese bots increased gold price x2, and that price was almost stable for ~2 weeks while chinese rebuilt their farms.

Don't really care about D3 as D3 is badly designed to begin with and that is the main reason for both player drops which automatically means gold price drop. as well as the fact there is no new content and there is no reason for people to buy gear and p2w scam and blahblah which have been discussed countless times . Those are the things which are really damaging D3.
In wow there have been bots and cheaters for years and years with no bans . and how were they damaging wow ? they weren't . the only thing which actually damaged wow was wow itself thru lack of updates bad raids pandas and probably many other things which i don't remember now .

Anyway im bored responding to this

 

[IGG]

In wow there have been bots and cheaters for years and years with no bans . and how were they damaging wow ? they weren't .

hahaha, you must be new to botting. After the last wow banwave the gold price almost doubled! Bots do damage to the game, the only solution is to ban them. If you don't want to risk, don't bot. No bans in the game=no profits for botters=no reason to bot. And every legit player wil bot instead of botting --> loose all interest -->quit the game.

 

[ad3ddd]

Actually, i kinda agree with kork09 and i am looking forward to seeing the result of his report. Besides, botting is the ONLY thing that keeps D3 even alive at that point. Think about it- no sane people will play this game enough to actually find good items themselves and besides the RMAH there isn't another option to get good items. Who's fault is it, that D3 is unbelievably boring and unsatisfying as a game? There is only little, retarded content in the game; itemization if awful; there isn't anything fun to do. The PvP is a complete scam. And all this, a year after the release date. When you think about it, it seems as if we, as consumers, have been cheated.

That said, there have been examples of games that required botting, as D3 does, and have been successful to an extend. I've personally played Lineage2, where it was literally impossible to keep up with the game and have ANY kind of life beyond the game(aka Real Life) if you were not using bots. They started banning them, but soon realized, that the game is just too slow and hard and they decided to let people bot--> it worked fine, all the people who wanted to play started botting and the rest just quit. It didn't mean a significant lose in profits for the company, because for all the accounts of ppl who quit, there were botting accounts emerging, so it was probably the same for them.

 

[ksiftarip]

As for the offtopic;
Galileo lived what, 400 years ago? Guess what was 400 years ago, the dark ages. Thanks for proving my point you. Let me share this with you. He wasn't the first person to say the earth was round. Many people proved this thousands of years before. How? A stick in one place during the winter solstice casts no shadow, while a stick thousands of kilometers away will cast one. Galileo needed to invent his telescope first. The main reason why he was thrown in jail was because he was challenging the faith of Catholics with his philosophical views. Catholics ruled Europe at the time.

Lol thanks for the laugh though, Galileo the first person to say the earth was round.

Edit; Try reading up on Pythagoras. He was one of the first Europeans recorded in modern literature to say the earth was round. Then you can get into how and why the Stonehenge matches with astronomical events like the solstices and changing of the constellations. Clearly the builders of these monoliths knew the earth was round and they lived an estimated ~3000 BCE, 5k years ago. There's more on other continents if you want, "maggot."

Dude seriously - Literature is without proofs. By which it must be understood that it cannot prove, not only what it says, but even that it is worth the trouble of saying it.

 

[kork09]

ok i will refrain myself from insulting you is there a rmah in wow that i don't know about ? and even if it was as i said before there are smarter ways to deal with certain things
in wow there are plenty of reasons not to lose interest and play manually(if the game was correctly designed) there are some excellent quests and chains which you would rather do it yourself then bot . some excellent raids and dungeons which you would rather do them yourself and there are plenty of reasons to bot the parts of wow that are really shitty (quests , dungeons etc) , bot to make alts and even farm currency to sell it it all depends how the game is designed .

want more reasons ? in gw2 botting is actually helping the game . lvling in gw2 is really shitty and it takes about 100-150 hours to lvl by the normal way of questing and stuff however there is a legal way to lvl a char in 1day (even heard someone doing it in 4 hours ) IF you have the gold (lots of it ) and how do you get that gold ? by botting ofc

 

[IGG]

kork09, everything you said is true and it's ok to talk about game design etc. until you make conclusions based on your opinion. You enjoy wow, when I tried it, it was a terrible experience to me. I liked to play d3 in hc mode during the 1st month and even now there are a lot of legit players that continue to play d3. In some games the bots are necessary, but there always should be some kind of "natural selection" or renewal: bots get banned, new bots appear. I use real examples when I do my conclusions (banwave --> gold price increase, no bans for long time --> gold goes down up to 5-10% everyday) and what do you answer? Game is crap and you don't like it and that's why you don't want to be banned?

P.S. WOW economy is extremely stable due to regular banwaves, try to argue with that

 

[kork09]

but there always should be some kind of "natural selection" or renewal

Yes i agree with this up to some extent but not by banning because that's stealing . but by taking into account bots and making it so that some bots are more successful than others while not making it harder for manual players to get that something - thats why having a big game universe helps because there are many possibilities and possibly correctly implementing gold sinks

Yeah i've enjoyed parts of wow quite a lot but also didn't like a lot of it , and in the end i could not justify paying for a sub only for some hours of raiding (and i didn't like all the raids either )

 

[AngelsHalo]

IGG is absolutely correct in everything he is saying. Kork09 on the other hand is missing the point.