Wardens Computer scans against eu law (?)

[cg1203im]

I remember in 2006 or 2007 there was a lawsuit between Electronic Frontier Foundation and Blizzard.
unfortunately i can't remember any details.

in fact i also always said, it is against EU law that blizzard scans out of its own process.
now i searched for about 6 hours in google, in EU lawsuits, many places.
But i can't find the lawsuit that ruled, that blizzard mustn't scan outside its own processes.

could anybody help me to find a link to that decision?
it can't be deleted from internet

i am not searching for links to other boards, where the brother of the cousin of a Gamemasters housemaid said that it is illegally. i am looking for a legal document.

it must be there somewhere, i just can't find it.

if i remember correct, the lawsuit was on EU surpreme court between 2005 and 2007.
parties: Electronic Frontier Foundation against Blizzard Entertainment (not sure, but i doubt it was activison blizzard at that time)

if someone can find it... thanks in advance.
otherwise, we should stop to think blizzard breaks the law if they scan outside their own processes.

 

[Kickazz006]

i just answered and closed a topic like this recently

WoW cannot scan outside of it's process

 

[cg1203im]

i just answered and closed a topic like this recently

WoW cannot scan outside of it's process

yes. thats what we all say. i am just searching for the proof.
i also said they can't do that. cos i am sure about it.
i am sure it is more than a rumor that it is forbiden to them.
but even if you, i, and obama bin laden state, that they cannot do that. who forbids it?
edit: and i dont want... he said it... i say it... i am looking for a lawsuit number or hard ??'s. if we say it, it doesn't make it true

 

[x11r6]

let me guess: do you want to show it to CCP?

 

[Fantas]

i just answered and closed a topic like this recently

WoW cannot scan outside of it's process

hah tony, thats not right!

In an effort to combat the efforts of those individuals who are willing to violate the EULA and/or the TOU, Blizzard Entertainment utilizes an "anti-cheating" utility that runs as part of Blizzard Games. This "anti-cheating" utility performs limited scans of:

(i) the Random Access Memory ("RAM") that is occupied by a Blizzard Game to confirm that the Blizzard Game's program has not been altered or "hacked" in violation of the Blizzard Games Terms of Use;
(ii) the Blizzard Games "process" to determine if any unauthorized third-party programs or computer code has been attached to the Blizzard Games process; and
(iii) the Windows Process List to determine if any confirmed hacking or cheating programs are presently open in violation of the Blizzard Games Terms of Use.

i think they updated here anti cheat rules... i think thats not legit in EU...

 

[macedawg]

mate. its as simple of this.

if they go 'searching' around your pc. its pretty much a blatant invasion of your privacy and breaks so many laws its not actually just some small matter. the amount of legit lawsuits that could start if they did this would be astounding.

just because they write shit in their terms and conditions, does not change law.

you really dont need to worry about this shit.

 

[melikespoo]

mate. its as simple of this.

if they go 'searching' around your pc. its pretty much a blatant invasion of your privacy and breaks so many laws its not actually just some small matter. the amount of legit lawsuits that could start if they did this would be astounding.

just because they write shit in their terms and conditions, does not change law.

you really dont need to worry about this shit.

Couldn't agree more, im not clued up on European law but im 100% sure that if you check the legislation on human rights then you will see that the invasion of someones privacy without immediate consent of the owner is a violation of there human rights, unless its in extreme circumstances eg. terrorism, large scale crime etc. Also by immediate consent im referring to someone coming up and saying to you "hey can i read through all the stuff on your computer" and you replying "yes".

I wouldn't bother looking for exact cases as this is such a blatant thing that you will find it on any documentation that states your country's and/or European law.

To sum up, yes it is illegal but im 100% sure that blizzard is not stupid enough to break a law that is so set in stone, also it would not be productive to ban multiple 1000's of users to just find themselves with 1000's of HIGH payout lawsuits just to keep the game clean.

 

[cg1203im]

Couldn't agree more, im not clued up on European law but im 100% sure that if you check the legislation on human rights then you will see that the invasion of someones privacy without immediate consent of the owner is a violation of there human rights, unless its in extreme circumstances eg. terrorism, large scale crime etc. Also by immediate consent im referring to someone coming up and saying to you "hey can i read through all the stuff on your computer" and you replying "yes".

I wouldn't bother looking for exact cases as this is such a blatant thing that you will find it on any documentation that states your country's and/or European law.

To sum up, yes it is illegal but im 100% sure that blizzard is not stupid enough to break a law that is so set in stone, also it would not be productive to ban multiple 1000's of users to just find themselves with 1000's of HIGH payout lawsuits just to keep the game clean.

it is not illegally. anti virus programs scan your files and processes every day.
if you say:" yes, they do. but i allowed them to do"
answer will be:" you also allowed it to blizzard by accepting the ToS"

 

[melikespoo]

it is not illegally. anti virus programs scan your files and processes every day.
if you say:" yes, they do. but i allowed them to do"
answer will be:" you also allowed it to blizzard by accepting the ToS"

This is different, you download / buy a antivirus to scan your computer and to keep it safe were as you download wow to play a game.

 

[melikespoo]

Im not sure if this helps but i found it on wiki. As i said im not clued up on law, im just helping as iv got nothing to do lol

International Legal Standards on Privacy

Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which was drafted and adopted by the Council of Europe in 1950 and meanwhile covers the whole European continent except for Belarus and Kosovo, protects the right to respect for private life: "Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence." Through the huge case-law of the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, privacy has been defined and its protection has been established as a positive right of everyone.
Article 17 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights of the United Nations of 1966 also protects privacy: "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary or unlawful interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to unlawful attacks on his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks."

Privacy law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[cg1203im]

This is different, you download / buy a antivirus to scan your computer and to keep it safe were as you download wow to play a game.

interesting comment.
i download and buy wow to play it. to be able to play fair and safe scans are necessary. you could see warden as an wow antivirus. so it is legit. as long as no private information are submitted.

 

[melikespoo]

interesting comment.
i download and buy wow to play it. to be able to play fair and safe scans are necessary. you could see warden as an wow antivirus. so it is legit. as long as no private information are submitted.

Im abit confused. Surely by this comment you are answering your first post?

 

[buzzerbeater]

The "you accept to so they can do what they want " argument is really weak, especially in germany.

There was a court ruling, that a tos isn't in action as long as you can't see the whole tos BEFORE you buy it. So in general the tos of a game you can buy in a store isn't useful in any way. So first tos then pay or tos can go to hell. (just an additional heads up to already having the argument that tos is never above law.)

I'll search the article for you when I get home.

 

[Skaggy]

All this aside, as I've read evey single thread about them since I've joined,

I realize most of the argument resides in Europe region.
is the law any different in the States?
CAN they scan your stuff, IN UNITED STATES?

Thanks! :d

 

[cg1203im]

The "you accept to so they can do what they want " argument is really weak, especially in germany.

There was a court ruling, that a tos isn't in action as long as you can't see the whole tos BEFORE you buy it. So in general the tos of a game you can buy in a store isn't useful in any way. So first tos then pay or tos can go to hell. (just an additional heads up to already having the argument that tos is never above law.)

I'll search the article for you when I get home.

i saerched it before. before i was 100% sure there was not only a german court ruling, i thought there was also an european court ruling. i searched for hours. 5 or 6 search engines, deep in the wikipedia warden links. but i wasn't able to find anything confirming the court rule story that all are talking about.

if you are able to find an official article relating to this court rule, i'd be really pleased. but no forum links please.. thats all just storys.

 

[Tiama]

interesting comment.
i download and buy wow to play it. to be able to play fair and safe scans are necessary. you could see warden as an wow antivirus. so it is legit. as long as no private information are submitted.

No you buy a game to play. And the only thing it is supposed to do is for playing. If you buy an antivirus programm, you can tell it what to scan and you can stop it. It doesn't send information back to its programmers unless you allow it to. None of these things you can do with Wow. You don't know what information, where gathered and so on. That's the difference.

 

[cg1203im]

No you buy a game to play. And the only thing it is supposed to do is for playing. If you buy an antivirus programm, you can tell it what to scan and you can stop it. It doesn't send information back to its programmers unless you allow it to. None of these things you can do with Wow. You don't know what information, where gathered and so on. That's the difference.

thats nonsense. i dont allow wow to use my internet connection. it must only be there to be played.
i never allowed wow to use my internet connection. it is only supposed to be playable.
well... it is not playable without an active internet connection. if i allow, or not. right?
what information are gathered? blizzard informs you, what information is gathered

 

[Pwn]

thats nonsense. i dont allow wow to use my internet connection. it must only be there to be played.
i never allowed wow to use my internet connection. it is only supposed to be playable.
well... it is not playable without an active internet connection. if i allow, or not. right?
what information are gathered? blizzard informs you, what information is gathered

You don't have to allow it to use your internet connection, but as you stated yourself then you can't play. It's also listed as a requirement on the back of the game, that you need an internet connection.

 

[randomstraw]

You don't have to allow it to use your internet connection, but as you stated yourself then you can't play. It's also listed as a requirement on the back of the game, that you need an internet connection.

exactly. it's not listed on the back that the game needs to access your running processes in any way.