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13/16 Banned 1/18/2013

Kolt21... There is one possibility for yours and others back to back bans...

Well we know Blizzard flags accounts.. No of us know how but we know they do it in some form or way...

Now if we operating off the assumption that they track the # of times the account gets flagged... (Only think this because the Account Closure emails always have a reference to previous offenses)


It wouldn't be to off to say that Agent.exe or Warden (I know nothing about the inner workings of either) could be collecting some form of hardware GUID's or machine identifying information...

When these ID's match they could have an automated system lower the required threshold of needed flags to issue an automated ban outside of a banwave.....

Just an idea... But would explain why people went from months of botting to back to back bans without changing anything yet others remain fine botting week after week...
 
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StrangerThanFiction said:
Kolt21... There is one possibility for yours and others back to back bans...

Well we know Blizzard flags accounts.. No of us know how but we know they do it in some form or way...

Now if we operating off the assumption that they track the # of times the account gets flagged...


It wouldn't be to off to say that Agent.exe or Warden (I know nothing about the inner workings of either) could be collecting some form of hardware GUID's or machine identifying information...

When these ID's match they could have an automated system lower the required threshold of needed flags to issue an automated ban outside of a banwave.....

Just an idea... But would explain why people went from months of botting to back to back bans without changing anything yet others remain fine botting week after week...
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i bet they are scanning ram and banning randomly for not making everybody angry at once

bot should start hiding itself
 
First off... Client detection through RAM scanning would be Warden detection... Warden detection has been and always will be an instant ban hammer as its a fully automated system that is mainly geared towards hacks....

Wanna test Warden detection go download CheatEngine and start playing with memory values.. Note that Warden takes hours to scan it doesn't just scan instantly....



Also Activision Blizzard is a multi billion dollar company... If you think the retail sales and rmah fee's made from such a micro portion of there user base is anything more than a rounding error you need to re-evaluate your importance in the gaming world....
 
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StrangerThanFiction said:
Also Activision Blizzard is a multi billion dollar company... If you think the retail sales and rmah fee's made from such a micro portion of there user base is anything more than a rounding error you need to re-evaluate your importance in the gaming world....
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I know that they have made a couple of thousand bucks from me alone. Don't underestimate the money spend on their shitty games/ make them through fees.
 
StrangerThanFiction said:
First off... Client detection through RAM scanning would be Warden detection... Warden detection has been and always will be an instant ban hammer as its a fully automated system that is mainly geared towards hacks....

Wanna test Warden detection go download CheatEngine and start playing with memory values.. Note that Warden takes hours to scan it doesn't just scan instantly....



Also Activision Blizzard is a multi billion dollar company... If you think the retail sales and rmah fee's made from such a micro portion of there user base is anything more than a rounding error you need to re-evaluate your importance in the gaming world....
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they can do anything man. you can never be sure. as i said they might be scanning external areas of ram (other than D3) and finding all botters and banning randomly :)

if they were banning instantly every single botter, that would cause them to face cases once again because of privacy

it is better to be sure than guessing. hiding bot as much as possible is wiser solution
 
Nothing like a return customer and bots make something that should be a 1 time investment into a multiple investement at the discretion of the banhammer.

I think its funny more single bots being left here recently. I'd be willing to bet they are leaving bots to intice people to continue to buy back in. They prolly lost a lot of botters on 12/18.

Wouldnt put anything past them.
 
ezpwnd said:
I know that they have made a couple of thousand bucks from me alone. Don't underestimate the money spend on their shitty games/ make them through fees.
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Your joking right? A couple thousand over how many months is absolutely pennies when you look at the larger income scale they have....


MonsterMMORPG said:
i bet they are scanning ram and banning randomly for not making everybody angry at once

bot should start hiding itself
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They don't do anything warden just like DB or anything else you get is an automated piece of software.. Ironically its the same piece of software protecting there other games... Pretty sure its even the same version that WoW uses.... Yet you dont see HB users getting nailed with a banhammer....


bizzy1one said:
Nothing like a return customer and bots make something that should be a 1 time investment into a multiple investement at the discretion of the banhammer.

I think its funny more single bots being left here recently. I'd be willing to bet they are leaving bots to intice people to continue to buy back in. They prolly lost a lot of botters on 12/18.

Wouldnt put anything past them.
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... They lost several thousand botters supposedly... Which if that is true here is the math there... 75% of 7K.. 5250 * $10 (Profit for the game if not purchasing digital, almost none of us do) 52.5K.... Hmmmmm ya that sounds profitable... like I said a rounding error... Its an irrelevant amount... That pays for what... Wait Blizzard can now hire 1 additional Client Services Advocate for less than a year to answer phone calls....


You have to realize.. That the reason you can buy it for say $40 at Walmart is because they sold it to them at say $30 a copy but they also have logistics, box printing, cd manufacturing, and shipping overhead.. Which means they dont make much on retail copies.. This being why they push the Digital copy when ever they can.. Cause its actually only $60 minus the server and bandwidth fee's etc....
 
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Your joking right? A couple thousand over how many months is absolutely pennies when you look at the larger income scale they have....




They don't do anything warden just like DB or anything else you get is an automated piece of software.. Ironically its the same piece of software protecting there other games... Pretty sure its even the same version that WoW uses.... Yet you dont see HB users getting nailed with a banhammer....




... They lost several thousand botters supposedly... Which if that is true here is the math there... 75% of 7K.. 5250 * $10 (Profit for the game if not purchasing digital, almost none of us do) 52.5K.... Hmmmmm ya that sounds profitable... like I said a rounding error... Its an irrelevant amount... That pays for what... Wait Blizzard can now hire 1 additional Client Services Advocate for less than a year to answer phone calls....


You have to realize.. That the reason you can buy it for say $40 at Walmart is because they sold it to them at say $30 a copy but they also have logistics, box printing, cd manufacturing, and shipping overhead.. Which means they dont make much on retail copies.. This being why they push the Digital copy when ever they can.. Cause its actually only $60 minus the server and bandwidth fee's etc....
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So $52,000.00 USD is pennies for a 1 time automated ban that will continue to happen and continue to produce money in sales.

If you think it costs $20.00 USD for blizzard to mass produce a game and ship it to major retailers in bulk then im not sure what to tell you. The game was paid off more than likely 10 fold on first week of release. How much do you honestly think it costs to mass produce a cd, a generic instruction guide, and a notepad, and ship it in bulk to retailers that want to sell it anyway?

Reguardless of the semantics of cost or profit it helps their game at the same time as making them more money. If 1 line of code says omit 1 account and it increased sales do you not they that line would be in the algorithm? They paid for some guys to write algorithms to catch botters. botters get banned. botters rebuy. algorithm keeps making $. Its smart from a business standpoint and im not sure how you disagree.

Do you think they would ban daily if they could? I honestly dont.
 
I have been running 2x bots 24/7 (literally) since I started botting about 2 weeks ago and no ban here. I have been getting about 15-20$ a day, so happy. How did you level the bots? did you use a leveling profile or follow someone around manualy? I have heard a theory about leveling profiles getting people banned. I have also quit this game and sold all of my items for about 7 Billion gold, and have sold all of that gold on RMAH and am botting and continuing to sell on the same account.
 
StrangerThanFiction said:
Its pretty obvious you know nothing about running a business... If can't understand the cost of running global overhead for everything from employee's to infrastructure for 7 years prior to the games release then there is no point in trying to help you understand how foolish your position on this is....

Also its not "smart" its the exact opposite as smart as it could be construed as currency intervention as the game has an RMAH.... This would cause a hell storm of lawsuits and legal fee's for them and could ultimately shake PayPal's partnership thus destroying the RMAH entirely...

I disagree as even if they issued a "7K+" banwaves every other week (not even enough botters out there to sustain this)... It would still only mean 300K a quarter... Once again 300k on there quarterly bottom line is a rounding error for them and doesn't even cover the cost of a upper management employee....

Go run your own business successfully for a few years then re-read your foolish statements....
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They did not spend 7 years worth of global overhead for diablo 3. If you believe that then you are as gullible as the fanboy sheeps. Its a mishmash of good enough to pass the average joe shitstain of a game and its a failure in the majority of players eyes. It wasnt blood sweat and tears for 7 years to make something perfect. It was 2-3 years of make something good enough to sell on day 1 and hopefully we can make it something good enough to continue making money off RMAH and expansions in the future.

I'm not sure where the 7,000 accounts came from. Was that posted somewhere?

I'm also not sure if you are lumping Diablo 3 into activision-blizzard as a whole or what, but im fairly sure they will take $300k profit for free every quarter from a game that is in awful shape. If you dont think they draw money out of botters in several different ways then we can disagree. They make money off daily sales and AH rakes on D3. I think they ban in waves for both publicity and to generate more sales through opportunity and false hope. I also dont think the Diablo 3 team is as big as you believe it is. The majority of the workforce has moved on to other games as Diablo 3 cant sustain their pay (possibly an xpac for more front end sales hopefully). I believe they take every dollar they get out of the failure.

I dont even see how the court / legal thing even comes into play. I dont see how it would even make it halfway to court. You are going ot sue blizzard because they banned 7/8 of your accounts and not 8/8 which caused you to reinvest back into the game and CHEAT again? lol... So do you also sue blizzard because they ban in waves and you dont think you'll get caught? I'm really lost on this 1. They give you false hope so you keep buying games and they keep making money. In some situations like mine, both me and blizzard makes money.

bans on botters keep daily sales up which is fair portion of the franchises revenue.

just to sum it up.

you think they:

Ban asap reguardless of how it affects a consumer group
Disreguard any type of strategy to maximize profits on said consumer group that is CHEATING in your game.
Ignore the (your number $300,000.00USD quarterly) as its pennies. (I believe its much higher)

Feel free to bash me some more, but I enjoy a good convo.
 
honestly, I believe alot has to do with how long your sessions are, my bots have survived the last month when botting only a few hours every day. My profits have takin a hit surely but no recent bans as of yet.
 
1 you were unlucky
2 you have no idea what youre talking about
3 just because you cant make youre money back and you want to spent 500$ on diablo copies at once to bot and get butthurt when all your accounts get banned its your fault.
 
Anyone have any solid information on other profitable games for botting?
 
I no longer fear the ban. blizzard has granted the 3 they didnt ban safe harbor. I believe myself to be ban immune on the remaining 3. Something has gone horribly wrong with my tinfoil hat.
 
Kolt21 said:
I no longer fear the ban. blizzard has granted the 3 they didnt ban safe harbor. I believe myself to be ban immune on the remaining 3. Something has gone horribly wrong with my tinfoil hat.
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I had 2 of 16 that also didnt get banned first week of jan. I turned them up to 20 tps and 60 fps and ran 24/7 for the next 4-5 days while setting up next batch. They are still alive but i refuse to use them in conjunction with other fresh clients from tinfoil reasons.

I guess ill save up non banned accounts and run them as a batch when its large enough lol =x
 
Kolt21 said:
They had just made it to 60, I invested 350 million into gearing all 16 of them. within just hours after doing so they were all banned. 3 of them were level 59. the other 13 had not been 60 for more than 4 hours.

History, 2/8 December 12, 8/8 December 18, waited it out untill now, 13/16 January 18th.

I know there are still alot of people casually saying botting is fine and DB is fine.

Use your head and decide for yourself, but I can tell you right now It is NO longer likely that you can even make your investment back before ban.

Unless there is a big turn around in the near future, botting is just about over in diablo 3.

They know when youve been sleeping. they know when your awake, they know if youve been bad or good so, you know the rest.

(No need for Ban Form, they banned before any behavior patterns could have been identified, within 48 hours of account creation)
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The longer you wait, you sooner you will be banned. A simple pattern -- shit load of accounts coming from the same computer for 24 hours a day.

Also, I made all my new accounts the day that DB was released again (after the activated trip wire) and have been running 24/7 since then with no bans yet. I've made back a significant amount of profit.
 
Posting an update for those following this post.

I am about 90% sure that this ban was directly the result of Error Messages. Not the Error Messages Persay but the Cause behind the error messages. Im working on figuring out what is causing them but I believe that whatever is causing them was why this ban happened to begin with. When I am able to correct the problem I will post my findings for informative purposes.

I will let this be clear though "Errors Will Get You Banned"
 
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