Why RB should not have a buddy store.

[MasterKilj]

How about no on the buddystore for RB. Most of the people coming from wow will only be here temporarily and trying to bring in the snake oil salesman trying to sell bad code ruined the original community of HB. They will only be here temporarily until they go back to wow and we will be left in even more tatters. Support and donate to the devs who stuck with us. HB wow community use to be awesome with people helping and sharing development addons for free with several people coming together to develop for the community.

 

[m0rf0]

Kind of agree. The buddy store was plagued with really bad software that delivered just a 10% of what it promised. CRs were usually good, though. But many bundles were terrible, close to pure scams. I don't know if the store model will be replicated here, but I know I wasted enough money in there to do it again. If there's a good CR I will donate, but there's no way I will buy a product from a store without being able to test it properly before.

 

[Azoth]

A good idea implemented badly is not the same as a bad idea. RB suffers from a crippling lack of developers, and the ones we do have are crushed with requests with very little compensation. If having a store would alleviate some of that, I wouldn't dismiss the idea out of hand.

 

[Cyanide]

Coming from WoW after years of botting, the quality of profiles went up with the store, but also added a lot bad profiles too. and most of the good ones were already for sale just not on this website. imo its a double edged sword. I've been burned with the buddystore with a questing bot base and haven't had any compensation from it yet, and this item has been dead in the water for almost half a year. So meh, I do agree it seems ff has a lack of devs for profiles, and the ones we have are overworked.

 

[Endus]

I'm doin' my best over here lol.

 

[Cyanide]

I'm doin' my best over here lol.

Haha, I'm sure you are! I've read a lot of rebornbuddy forums this past week while researching (new to the game / this bot) - seems like you do a LOT of work. Thank you for slaving over code to make things run smooth!

 

[matt84]

i'm kinda 50/50 on this, while i see there could be merit in it, there was also a lot of people putting things on the HB store just to take advantage and were pretty average to very low quality products that were overpriced... i dunno

 

[Zaylman]

I never used honor buddy or checked out the store but I believe a rating system with comments to go with the store would help people sift through the garbage and could pave the way for some amazing content. But without the ability to sort through the garbage a store would be bad IMO.

 

[Stormtrooper11]

You won't see high quality and updated CR/plugin without the store, so i'm for it period. You don't HAVE to buy anything, if you buy a crappy product it's your fault, when i was playing wow and using honorbuddy i always bought very well known routines with many good reviews so what you're saying is not a problem, it's like real life, you go into a store you have good products and crappy ones, if you buy the crap it's your fault.

 

[Wheredidigo]

In all honestly, i'm not sure that it even matters anymore. I can tell you that we currently have 21 individual's in the Skype Dev Chat that I started about a month or so ago. I've been pleasantly surprised at how many people have actually joined it. I think we've got about 95% of all the developer's who have released anything to the community(Profiles/Plugins/CombatRoutines/BotBases) The general consensus is that even if Bossland opens up a Store for RebornBuddy, I don't know how many of us would actually use it. The 40% cut of profits and the lack of trust due to the way they seem to not honor the contract they make you sign just doesn't make for a very good business partnership. In the end, I don't think it will matter either way.

 

[MasterKilj]

You won't see high quality and updated CR/plugin without the store, so i'm for it period. You don't HAVE to buy anything, if you buy a crappy product it's your fault, when i was playing wow and using honorbuddy i always bought very well known routines with many good reviews so what you're saying is not a problem, it's like real life, you go into a store you have good products and crappy ones, if you buy the crap it's your fault.

I am not sure what world you were on but HB had lots of high quality development way before the store even became a thought in the mind of the HB team. They were free with donation then despite policing the forums the pvp crowd demanded routines for what really painted the big red flag on HB which was more direct involvement in pvp. Yeah. Half of those people who even were involved in the HB store broke the rules of the forum by hinting their paid routines through indirect word play and for the most part cared nothing for the community they destroyed.

I do not want it here.

 

[matt84]

In all honestly, i'm not sure that it even matters anymore. I can tell you that we currently have 21 individual's in the Skype Dev Chat that I started about a month or so ago. I've been pleasantly surprised at how many people have actually joined it. I think we've got about 95% of all the developer's who have released anything to the community(Profiles/Plugins/CombatRoutines/BotBases) The general consensus is that even if Bossland opens up a Store for RebornBuddy, I don't know how many of us would actually use it. The 40% cut of profits and the lack of trust due to the way they seem to not honor the contract they make you sign just doesn't make for a very good business partnership. In the end, I don't think it will matter either way.

you could also look at it as just a better platform for the end user

A - You dont have to charge for your product you can host it on the store as a free product.
B - it's easier for the user to manage, they dont have to be running on out of date products, looking through different forum threads etc... looking for updates, having to check svn daily etc... everything is streamed straight to the user upto date.
C - You weren't getting paid for RB stuff before outside of donations, so anything is better than nothing

 

[Crusixpyro]

Personally I'm kinda annoyed with the idea that most of the developers that made stuff for RB before the buddy store came out abandoned their projects and went straight to HB. While I understand that they have every right to stop updating a project, its not exactly fair to the community. Magitek is a great example of an abandoned project in result of the buddy store for HB

 

[Giwin]

BuddyStore for any bot would increase the amount of developers on it, but seeing the API on Archbuddy... wouldn't touch it unless the API was visually acceptable.

 

[Stormtrooper11]

I am not sure what world you were on but HB had lots of high quality development way before the store even became a thought in the mind of the HB team. They were free with donation then despite policing the forums the pvp crowd demanded routines for what really painted the big red flag on HB which was more direct involvement in pvp. Yeah. Half of those people who even were involved in the HB store broke the rules of the forum by hinting their paid routines through indirect word play and for the most part cared nothing for the community they destroyed.

I do not want it here.

FFXIV isn't WoW, and Rebornbuddy isn't Honorbuddy...i'm not sure what world you are right now, do you see any high quality updated routine right now ? yeah we had some good ones being broken with rebornbuddy updates, and beside kupper for ninja/bard and ultima for dragoon (missing cross abilities to be optimal) there aren't good ones for other classes, and it won't change if there is no good compensation for the amount of work required to make and update them.
If current state of rebornbuddy is fine for you, it isn't for me, and for the majority of users (see rebornbuddy store poll post), and if a few dollars donation is ok for you to work on a high quality routine for all classes and update it then go ahead do it...

 

[MasterKilj]

FFXIV isn't WoW, and Rebornbuddy isn't Honorbuddy...i'm not sure what world you are right now, do you see any high quality updated routine right now ? yeah we had some good ones being broken with rebornbuddy updates, and beside kupper for ninja/bard and ultima for dragoon (missing cross abilities to be optimal) there aren't good ones for other classes, and it won't change if there is no good compensation for the amount of work required to make and update them.
If current state of rebornbuddy is fine for you, it isn't for me, and for the majority of users (see rebornbuddy store poll post), and if a few dollars donation is ok for you to work on a high quality routine for all classes and update it then go ahead do it...

And you wish to repeat the storm that happened in wow? Botting is a hush hush brush under the rug kind of activity until bots become so advanced that they pvp better then 99% of humans and pve better then 99% of the humans in this game. FF 14 has a huge PS4 playerbase and when a player finds out he possibly lost a spot on his raid team because someone who is using a bot replaced him then the populace of ff 14 is going to rise in unison. A shit ton of people who I know on ff 14 joined the game because of the amount of bots they saw in battlegrounds and raids in wow.

I do not think a rise of 20% or more of the playerbase botting in ff 14 will work out the same as it did on wow. The larger the target rebornbuddy becomes the more serious SE will take cheating. HB use to have a stance on directly supporting pvp because of said above issue. HB use to have a stance against third party people selling their addons because of scam/trash code and above said issue. They have over time wavered even if they claim to not through allowing third party addons that supported arena and indirect sales of addons before the buddystore was even in place.

And yeah we did have quite a few devs for rebornbuddy. Most of them left when the buddystore opened up and along with the toxicity of quite a few buddy users on the pressure they put on devs it does add up to people packing their bags and moving on. Quite a few people who did hawk their wares on the buddy store and have been having a larger presence on RB hoping they can see a bit of $$ before things go south again. HB pre allowing third party sales had several high quality developers. WTF was a very good dev that just had an odd personality that kept getting him banned from the HB servers but the items he did produce for free was some of the best addons I saw for HB. And you cannot compare rebornbuddy to a bot that had 400-500k users to rebornbuddy having probably 10k at most. If you go by stats of visits on a statics website HB forums had more views by about 4500% then RB so no there is no comparison when HB was huge.

Id rather rebornbuddy remain as is then see it become another trainwreck.

 

[matt84]

And you wish to repeat the storm that happened in wow? Botting is a hush hush brush under the rug kind of activity until bots become so advanced that they pvp better then 99% of humans and pve better then 99% of the humans in this game. FF 14 has a huge PS4 playerbase and when a player finds out he possibly lost a spot on his raid team because someone who is using a bot replaced him then the populace of ff 14 is going to rise in unison. A shit ton of people who I know on ff 14 joined the game because of the amount of bots they saw in battlegrounds and raids in wow.

I do not think a rise of 20% or more of the playerbase botting in ff 14 will work out the same as it did on wow. The larger the target rebornbuddy becomes the more serious SE will take cheating. HB use to have a stance on directly supporting pvp because of said above issue. HB use to have a stance against third party people selling their addons because of scam/trash code and above said issue. They have over time wavered even if they claim to not through allowing third party addons that supported arena and indirect sales of addons before the buddystore was even in place.

And yeah we did have quite a few devs for rebornbuddy. Most of them left when the buddystore opened up and along with the toxicity of quite a few buddy users on the pressure they put on devs it does add up to people packing their bags and moving on. Quite a few people who did hawk their wares on the buddy store and have been having a larger presence on RB hoping they can see a bit of $$ before things go south again. HB pre allowing third party sales had several high quality developers. WTF was a very good dev that just had an odd personality that kept getting him banned from the HB servers but the items he did produce for free was some of the best addons I saw for HB. And you cannot compare rebornbuddy to a bot that had 400-500k users to rebornbuddy having probably 10k at most. If you go by stats of visits on a statics website HB forums had more views by about 4500% then RB so no there is no comparison when HB was huge.

Id rather rebornbuddy remain as is then see it become another trainwreck.

i dont think t hats much of a problem, a bad PC player would still be better than a decent PS4 player, playing this game specifically on a console is like intentionally handicapping yourself... mmorpg with action combat / mouse locked combat make sense on consoles because you dont need 1 analogue stick to look around and the other analogue stick to move your mouse cursor places like this game does... i've played on PS3 / PS4 and it's not as enjoyable as on PC, playing ESO / Neverwinter / DCUO on console is much better because it's mouse locked

 

[Wheredidigo]

Personally I'm kinda annoyed with the idea that most of the developers that made stuff for RB before the buddy store came out abandoned their projects and went straight to HB. While I understand that they have every right to stop updating a project, its not exactly fair to the community. Magitek is a great example of an abandoned project in result of the buddy store for HB

This kind of attitude is what makes Developers leave RB and move to other products. It's that entitlement that you deserve to have Magitek and any other product continually updated and shame on any developer who abandon's a project because (and I know this is crazy talk) they want to actually play the game instead of just write code for a bot to play.

A perfect example is poor Endos. Ask him when the last time he got to sit down and actually enjoy playing FF14 was. He probably won't be able to tell you because all of his free time is spent doing his best at updating Ultima.

You are fully welcome to be annoyed with developers abandoning projects. Just the same as developers are fully welcome to be annoyed when they see a ton of downloads of their product and receive $0 for that hard earned work.

It was comical to me when I came back and saw that MoreDots had over 15,000 downloads....especially seeing as I think I may have gotten $5 in donations. The best part was how many PM's I got when I asked for the thread to be Archived since it was no longer supported.

You have the balls to say "its not exactly fair to the community"...aren't the developers part of this community too? What would you say is fair to them?

 

[natrurebiy]

what about those of us that donate to projects/routines we don't even use?
and the one I do use(ultima) doesnt do what Id like it to do (aoe tank effectively)
should I feel cheated?

 

[Crusixpyro]

This kind of attitude is what makes Developers leave RB and move to other products. It's that entitlement that you deserve to have Magitek and any other product continually updated and shame on any developer who abandon's a project because (and I know this is crazy talk) they want to actually play the game instead of just write code for a bot to play.

A perfect example is poor Endos. Ask him when the last time he got to sit down and actually enjoy playing FF14 was. He probably won't be able to tell you because all of his free time is spent doing his best at updating Ultima.

You are fully welcome to be annoyed with developers abandoning projects. Just the same as developers are fully welcome to be annoyed when they see a ton of downloads of their product and receive $0 for that hard earned work.

It was comical to me when I came back and saw that MoreDots had over 15,000 downloads....especially seeing as I think I may have gotten $5 in donations. The best part was how many PM's I got when I asked for the thread to be Archived since it was no longer supported.

You have the balls to say "its not exactly fair to the community"...aren't the developers part of this community too? What would you say is fair to them?

The only point I was trying to make is that its just not right that HB gets the buddystore and most other buddy products do not. I do see where you are coming from. I feel the real problem is idea that bossland wont allow donor only content without the use of the buddystore and Mastahg doesn't seem to want to implement it for whatever his reasons may be

P.S. the only reason I used magitek as an example is cause it was the only CR I have used with decent healing support for both sch and whm as far as I know there hasn't been an updated CR that has supported it since