Which Combat Routine do you feel is needed right now?

[newb23]

Just kind of curious to see what people here on the good ole' RB forums think is needed in terms of a new combat routine!

Vote away!

Also, if you wouldn't mind, include some thoughts as to features you would like to see on your given choice! Thanks!

 

[exaccuss]

I haven't seen a decent scholar CR since the magitek days. It's probably difficult for the bot to recognize when to efficiently heal or not, but i'm sure many people would jump on board. Features people may want would probably be stance dancing, (cleric stance) aoe healing, dispelling statuses etc etc. Just my 2c worth.

 

[newb23]

I haven't seen a decent scholar CR since the magitek days. It's probably difficult for the bot to recognize when to efficiently heal or not, but i'm sure many people would jump on board. Features people may want would probably be stance dancing, (cleric stance) aoe healing, dispelling statuses etc etc. Just my 2c worth.

Yeah, I'd imagine it's difficult if not mostly impossible to do things in a proactive vs retroactive way, making things hard. But definitely something needed, thanks for your input!

 

[Wheredidigo]

I haven't seen a decent scholar CR since the magitek days. It's probably difficult for the bot to recognize when to efficiently heal or not, but i'm sure many people would jump on board. Features people may want would probably be stance dancing, (cleric stance) aoe healing, dispelling statuses etc etc. Just my 2c worth.

Just out of curiosity....and I ask this with absolutely ZERO experience in a raid since Turn 9 in Second Coil of Bahamut.....how much cleric stance does a really good Scholar actually use in end game raiding? I get that in dungeon farming you get bored as a SCH if all your doing is healing(the damn fairy does everything anyways), but I'm curious to know how much DPS a SCH is expected to do in Alexander 1-4 and Alexander Savage 1-4.

 

[phdchristmas]

What about ninja and blackmage?

Just out of curiosity....and I ask this with absolutely ZERO experience in a raid since Turn 9 in Second Coil of Bahamut.....how much cleric stance does a really good Scholar actually use in end game raiding? I get that in dungeon farming you get bored as a SCH if all your doing is healing(the damn fairy does everything anyways), but I'm curious to know how much DPS a SCH is expected to do in Alexander 1-4 and Alexander Savage 1-4.

2 healers,

1 is whm (or ast) this is the real healer.

1 sch is there to dps 80-90% of the fight, adding shields and backup healing for busters and raid damage.

 

[exaccuss]

What about ninja and blackmage?



2 healers,

1 is whm (or ast) this is the real healer.

1 sch is there to dps 80-90% of the fight, adding shields and backup healing for busters and raid damage.

ninja (shadow) and blm (inora) have CR's released on a certain site

 

[ull4givme]

Just kind of curious to see what people here on the good ole' RB forums think is needed in terms of a new combat routine!

Vote away!

Also, if you wouldn't mind, include some thoughts as to features you would like to see on your given choice! Thanks!

This and more!

 

[Ulfgi]

A Good Scholar Heal Routine would be Fine. Anyways the Routine should be able too controll Pets. I make this PM a Day Ago for devildevidevil and his All in One Combat Routine. So i can Share what i think SCH should be Played right now in Raids

70-100% HP = Using The Heal Spell from Selene or Eos (http://xivdb.com/action/806/Embrace for Selene / http://xivdb.com/action/802/Embrace for Eos)
50-70% HP = http://xivdb.com/action/185/Adloquium wiht HoT / or http://xivdb.com/action/189/Lustrate which needs a Stack of Aetherflow

Buff
1. http://xivdb.com/action/166/Aetherflow when ever its possible
2. http://xivdb.com/action/3585/Deployment+Tactics, but first it needs Eye for an Eye on Tank. Then Cast this and the whole Group has a Shield, i Cast this whenever its Ready because Shields who Reduct DMG Output of a Boss is Good in every Time
3. http://xivdb.com/action/3586/Emergency+Tactics i use this on Tank or other players whenever i cast Adloqium. You can Cast this every 30sec so its Ready when you need it

Dispell
1. http://xivdb.com/action/187/Leeches or from Selene the Spell: http://xivdb.com/action/810/Fey+Caress

DMG

( X ) = This Means make a Option where the Player can Click if he wants this Spell in the Rotation or not.

Single Target
1. Cleric Stance from Cross Skill : Spell ID 122 --> you need this for Good DPS so make the Bot Aktivat it.
2. Bio : Spell ID 164
3. Miasma : Spell ID 168 (http://xivdb.com/action/168/Miasma)
4. Bio II: Spell ID 178 (http://xivdb.com/action/178/Bio+II)
5.(X) Shadow Flare: Spell ID 179 (http://xivdb.com/action/179/Shadow+Flare)

Keep this Debuffs the whole Time Refresh on the Target, that means before they get to their End let them Cast from the Bot, so they never Run out on the Mob.

6. ( X ) Ruin II: Spell ID 172 (http://xivdb.com/action/172/Ruin+II)
7. ( X ) Broil: Spell ID 3584 (http://xivdb.com/action/3584/Broil)

AoE isnt realy an Option for an Healer i Think because oft hat i dont know if ist nescessary too have this Option in a Heal Routine.

I like Selene more in Raids then Eos. Sure Eos Heals more but Selene can Dispell and has a Group Buff every 30sec. So for myself i find Selene better then Eos actually

 

[SinisterJoint]

I would love to see a summoner or bard/machinist rotation

 

[newb23]

Wow! Some good feedback in here, thank you all so far! I like the ideas being thrown around about SCH as it's my favorite healing class to play, but I always do it by hand due to a lacking of availability.

I also see that there is a significant amount of interest in a MCH routine, and that is quite interesting, for certain reasons I suppose. Heh.

Keep the input coming!

 

[Veigue]

I'd love to see a machinist CR! That class deserves some interest!

 

[dayum12]

SCH doesn't even have a CR that heals AND dps', which is something GRAVELY needed.

Not only for raiding, but also for leveling.

 

[Mathikk]

monk and summoner please

 

[Ulfgi]

SCH doesn't even have a CR that heals AND dps', which is something GRAVELY needed.

Not only for raiding, but also for leveling.

For Leveling you can Take Ultima CR. It works fine for me for Leveling. Switch too Cleric Stance for DPS and Switch back for self Heal. For Leveling it isnt a problem too find a good CR

 

[newb23]

For Leveling you can Take Ultima CR. It works fine for me for Leveling. Switch too Cleric Stance for DPS and Switch back for self Heal. For Leveling it isnt a problem too find a good CR

I completely agree with this. Ultima is a fantastic routine that does so, so many things right. And for free? Pfft. It can't be beat right now by anything NOT a specifically built job routine.

 

[schopenhauer]

Other than what's currently already out, the only way I would pay for one (I'm assuming these will be for pay only like the previous) would be for it to be almost perfect, or at least highly better than what is currently available. That being said, here are my suggestions though.

MCH:
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The main issue I have with what is available atm is Ultima's is actually pretty good (ability to queue abilities, general buff/rotation/priorities), but where it falls flat is that it doesn't align buffs for WF bursts, and also you can't control WF bursts (sometimes having them go off when they align is bad timing due to phase changes/adds/etc.). YRB is tinker-able to do what was said above, but doesn't handle the new quick reload 1-2-3 combo well, it typically fires QR as soon as it's available, but doesn't check to see if Clean Shot is proc'ed atm, if it is it will use the QR on it and waste it (guess depends on dmg+ situation, but no logic either way), as opposed to using Split Shot so you still have a buffed CS, but now have an un-wasted proc that was able to queue up Split Shot.

tl;dr You need a way to control WF bursts and buff alignment w/o them just going off. That is on top of a solid queue-able priority/combo/rotation.

SCH:
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I have no interest in a SCH CR myself, but I would think the best way to make it the most raid usable and still have the healing (at raid level the player should be doing the healing, it's so situational I don't think it's possible while content is relevant for a bot to do healing and DPS) is to just have a hotkey that switches betwixt healing/DPS. At the very least have an option for just the DPS stance alone so people can hotkey it on/off and heal when needed then have the CR start to do max DPS.

tl;dr Having it auto-heal is more of a duty finder daily dungeon/void ark thing. Most raid situations will call for situational prebuffs or aoe phase healing which imo seems like it would be hard for the bot to handle, but perhaps not? So you can encompass both at least have an option so it's switchable.

The others I am unsure of the options available so hard to say what could be improved on them from my POV.

 

[Ulfgi]

Other than what's currently already out, the only way I would pay for one (I'm assuming these will be for pay only like the previous) would be for it to be almost perfect, or at least highly better than what is currently available. That being said, here are my suggestions though.

MCH:
---
The main issue I have with what is available atm is Ultima's is actually pretty good (ability to queue abilities, general buff/rotation/priorities), but where it falls flat is that it doesn't align buffs for WF bursts, and also you can't control WF bursts (sometimes having them go off when they align is bad timing due to phase changes/adds/etc.). YRB is tinker-able to do what was said above, but doesn't handle the new quick reload 1-2-3 combo well, it typically fires QR as soon as it's available, but doesn't check to see if Clean Shot is proc'ed atm, if it is it will use the QR on it and waste it, as opposed to using Split Shot so you still have a buffed CS, but now have an un-wasted proc that was able to queue up Split Shot.

tl;dr You need a way to control WF bursts and buff alignment w/o them just going off. That is on top of a solid queue-able priority/combo/rotation.

SCH:
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I have no interest in a SCH CR myself, but I would think the best way to make it the most raid usable and still have the healing (at raid level the player should be doing the healing, it's so situational I don't think it's possible while content is relevant for a bot to do healing and DPS) is to just have a hotkey that switches betwixt healing/DPS. At the very least have an option for just the DPS stance alone so people can hotkey it on/off and heal when needed then have the CR start to do max DPS.

tl;dr Having it auto-heal is more of a duty finder daily dungeon/void ark thing. Most raid situations will call for situational prebuffs or aoe phase healing which imo seems like it would be hard for the bot to handle, but perhaps not? So you can encompass both at least have an option so it's switchable.

The others I am unsure of the options available so hard to say what could be improved on them from my POV.

Some True Words. For a Good SCH CR i would lovley Pay. As i Said before, a SCH Routine must Mostly Controll the Pet. From 70-100% HP the Pet could be use his Heal Buff thats good for the most Raids ATM. You just need Healing when someone Drops below the 70%, then it need a Heal from SCH himself because the Pet hasnt the Power from its self....

A Key too Switch from Heal too DPS Sound good but i think this is not the Right Way. I would prefer the Option the Bot switch from it self Healing/DPS just need a pre Configure at what Kind of % HP it would Switch. In Alexander you have moments when the Group or the Tank falls so much in HP and you have to Avoid your self from the Damage Spells. Si in this moment i think its better the Bot Switch then you, because you lost some Time before you push a Switch Button im pretty Sure about that ^^

 

[Mavrik]

I'd like to see a proper MCH CR that can do the things that schopenhauer mentioned.
Also, I'd like to see a raid-worthy NIN one as well here on RB. I use Kain for my DRG, which is a good one, but for everything else, I use Ultima. Ultima isn't bad by any means, but there are some things that I wish were tweaked a bit and had more options to customize it. Still, for an all-in-one and for leveling, it's pretty great and I'm more than happy that it's there.

 

[schopenhauer]

I will say this, I really appreciate work being done to bring these to the community, we're sorely lacking in development on them for valid reasons, but lacking nonetheless.

 

[Mathikk]

ultima monk and summoner are bad =( need those !