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when does kicks 1-90 questing become non-afkable

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is it level 83 where you have to start doing user assits in quests?

thanks.
 
I've been watching my character religiously 98% of the time, once i came to 85 the user assisted quests came.
 
85-90 are non afkable.

80-85 have to be watched also
 
there's 1 in uldum ... a couple in TH (most ppl skip it now). and then they start in jade forest ... a few per zone
 
Kickazz006 said:
there's 1 in uldum ... a couple in TH (most ppl skip it now). and then they start in jade forest ... a few per zone
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Your profile is pretty amazing! I'm not complaining or anything, but what's stopping it from being a FULL AFK pack?
Is there something us the users can do or contribute to better improve and make it a full afk pack?
 
ok cool. looks like i will just quest till 85 then and do the few user assist quests. then grind from 85-90 as usual :p

thanks
 
behaviors take 4-6 hours each to develop, then another few days of testing with 20 toons
 
lilsavalex said:
Your profile is pretty amazing! I'm not complaining or anything, but what's stopping it from being a FULL AFK pack?
Is there something us the users can do or contribute to better improve and make it a full afk pack?
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Hi, Lilsavalex,

There are many causes of quest profiles not being completely AFKable:

  • Lack of needed Quest Behaviors is easily the number one cause

  • Sometimes, its a mesh issue
    For instance the "flying boat" in Deepholm is on a completely different mesh than the rest of the zone. Kick has solved the problem if you don't interrupt the profile. But if any hiccup is encountered, Honorbuddy doesn't make enough 'state' available to the profile for recovery purposes.

  • Using mixed-mode (BG and Questing) is another instance of "not enough state" is available
    When a user returns from BG, sometimes enough quest state is not preserved to know where to pick up and continue.

  • Honorbuddy isn't there yet
    When repairs are needed, Honorbuddy will fight its way to the repair guy. A human might decide there's no way to make the journey with the current state of his gear, then hearth, repair, and return.
    Honorbuddy also doesn't have built-in inter-continental travel. All crossing of Continents is done by the profile writer jumping through some pretty serious hoops.

  • WoWclient bugs
    For instance, in doing the quest Potency (see comments), sometimes the Orange Mist doesn't trigger for a player. I've directly experienced this several times. If that happens you have to leave the area, then re-enter the area and repeat until it occurs.
    There are similar WoW bugs with phasing or NPCs failing to interact, and only restarting the WoWclient will repair the issue.
Even if the profiles were perfect, you're still going to have mesh and flightor issues. WoW will continue to change the game world--throwing in seasonal doodads like Christmas trees--that get the bot hung up.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the task cannot be solved. I'm saying it is a lot of work, and a lot of testing, and continuous maintenance.

cheers,
chinajade
 
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Kickazz006 said:
behaviors take 4-6 hours each to develop, then another few days of testing with 20 toons
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its all good. you've done such a great job already. and im sure one day, you'll get 1-90 fully afk. i know ur a hard worker. ur svn almost always has updates each day. :) +rep
 
chinajade said:
Hi, Lilsavalex,

There are many causes of quest profiles not being completely AFKable:

  • Lack of needed Quest Behaviors is easily the number one cause

  • Sometimes, its a mesh issue
    For instance the "flying boat" in Deepholm is on a completely different mesh than the rest of the zone. Kick has solved the problem if you don't interrupt the profile. But if any hiccup is encountered, Honorbuddy doesn't make enough 'state' available to the profile for recovery purposes.

  • Using mixed-mode (BG and Questing) is another instance of "not enough state" is available
    When a user returns from BG, sometimes enough quest state is not preserved to know where to pick up and continue.

  • Honorbuddy isn't there yet
    When repairs are needed, Honorbuddy will fight its way to the repair guy. A human might decide there's no way to make the journey with the current state of his gear, then hearth, repair, and return.
    Honorbuddy also doesn't have built-in inter-continental travel. All crossing of Continents is done by the profile writer jumping through some pretty serious hoops.

  • WoWclient bugs
    For instance, in doing the quest Potency (see comments), sometimes the Orange Mist doesn't trigger for a player. I've directly experienced this several times. If that happens you have to leave the area, then re-enter the area and repeat until it occurs.
    There are similar WoW bugs with phasing or NPCs failing to interact, and only restarting the WoWclient will repair the issue.
Even if the profiles were perfect, you're still going to have mesh and flightor issues. WoW will continue to change the game world--throwing in seasonal doodads like Christmas trees--that get the bot hung up.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the task cannot be solved. I'm saying it is a lot of work, and a lot of testing, and continuous maintenance.

cheers,
chinajade
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For the mesh issue, couldn't there be a better system for better handling stucks?

Lets say I get stuck somewhere.
  • Hotspot data is sent to a remote system that handles meshes.
  • If more then X amount are received from the same hotspot, it's turned into a blackspot without human interference.
  • Push/Pull Mesh system updates a meshes in the designated mesh file without the user having to download it.
There's still a lot of work to be done but we'll get there soon enough.
 
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lilsavalex said:
There's still a lot of work to be done but we'll get there soon enough.
For the mesh issue, couldn't there be a better system for better handling stucks?
Lets say I get stuck somewhere, Honorbuddy sends my hotspot information to
a system that receives hotspots and if more then X amount are receive from the same hotspot.
It's automatically turned into a blackspot.
Just a thought.
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Hi, Lilsavalex,

I like the way you're think. Alas, Blackspots don't work that way. Its possible for a little 1-yard wide blackspot to blackspot an entire 500 x 500 foot mesh. If its placed in the wrong place, it can easily snag many more meshes.

Give this is a look... its interesting to see a little bit of how Honorbuddy is internally designed...

cheers,
chinajade
 
lilsavalex said:
For the mesh issue, couldn't there be a better system for better handling stucks?

Lets say I get stuck somewhere.
  • Hotspot data is sent to a remote system that handles meshes.
  • If more then X amount are received from the same hotspot, it's turned into a blackspot without human interference.
  • Push/Pull Mesh system updates a meshes in the designated mesh file without the user having to download it.
There's still a lot of work to be done but we'll get there soon enough.
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what happens if that spot is a doorway into a room?
 
MadDog said:
what happens if that spot is a doorway into a room?
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Hi, MadDog,

Blackspots don't actually prevent traversal by Honorbuddy, they just make the traversal cost for that area very high. The Wiki article cited a couple of posts back explains all these things.

So, for your example, if that was the only path into the room. Honorbuddy would be forced to go through the blackspot to get to its point of interest. If that wasn't the only way into the room, then Honorbuddy would probably "try the back door", because the backdoor path would be 'cheaper' than going through the traversal cost imposed by the blackspot in the front door.

cheers,
chinajade
 
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MadDog said:
what happens if that spot is a doorway into a room?
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From what Chinajade linked, when a blackspot is place on a mesh, every mesh touching that blackspot becomes a blackspot. I might be thinking too hard about this but there's always a way around everything, you just have to be creative enough.
  • Honorbuddy plugin that triggers upon when HB encounters a mesh issue.
  • When plugin is trigger, a screenshot is taken along with hotspot data and uploaded to a remote server.
  • Mesh system arranges data by how many times it has been received.
  • Human goes through the top received, sees screenshot and hotspot data and fixes it.
 
At the NPC Kil'ruk the wind-reaver my DK gets stuck and hasnt been able to use the Bot in dreaded wastes there on after. just sits there opening and closing the NPC dialogue box.
 
Good to know Andruskiwow,

We'll put our best men on the case. Meanwhile, enjoy your stay, sit back and relax. You have our utmost attention now that you described the problem intensively.

Kind regards,
Charles2k
 
I only ever do 80-90 (SOR ftw), and the first quest that I have to interfere with is very early on, the one where you have to use the staff on Baron Geddon in Hyjal. Pretty much all questing needs to be supervised - esp tauren & draenei, since bigger chars get stuck due to retarded mesh pathing around trees, fences, roots. Questing bot is only useful if your arms are tired - since you have to stay at your computer supervising it anyway.
 
I've managed 1 - 35 afk, it bugs occasionally and you have to do a quest yourself or just simply stop/start/reload.
 
honestly, there are only a very few that require user interaction. I've got 2 toons from 85-90 within 2-3 days with kicks profile. The only thing that needs to happen beside a couple mesh/user input quests which is clearly alerted when it happens... its flawless. when you have to log in/out i would clear your HB cache. but honesty the risk of questing vs griding... the benefits are clear, even if you have to play 20 minutes out of the 85-90 grind.
 
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