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Waldo Rogue CC

Defensive skills as cloak of shadows, combat readiness (if you spec it), Evasion, some people classify vanish as defensive. can you tell me off hand if this CC is good for quest leveling? I have been reading this thread fully but I think Rangbang has been the only useful and detailed feedback most of the time on this routine.
 
sourcemaster said:
Defensive skills as cloak of shadows, combat readiness (if you spec it), Evasion, some people classify vanish as defensive. can you tell me off hand if this CC is good for quest leveling? I have been reading this thread fully but I think Rangbang has been the only useful and detailed feedback most of the time on this routine.
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Thanks, I do try to help alxaw as much as I can to keep his routine up to date.

No offence to alxaw, but for questing and leveling (with movement), you are probably better of using Singular.
 
I tried using this on flex this weekend works pretty well so far ilvl 517 and I was keeping up with another rogue who was 536ish ilvl. My question tho is I didn't see it us crimson temp. Is there a reason for that? Or am I missing something
 
blacknightlll said:
I tried using this on flex this weekend works pretty well so far ilvl 517 and I was keeping up with another rogue who was 536ish ilvl. My question tho is I didn't see it us crimson temp. Is there a reason for that? Or am I missing something
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Which spec was this?

sourcemaster said:
Defensive skills as cloak of shadows, combat readiness (if you spec it), Evasion, some people classify vanish as defensive. can you tell me off hand if this CC is good for quest leveling? I have been reading this thread fully but I think Rangbang has been the only useful and detailed feedback most of the time on this routine.
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I'll add these in a few days.
 
Am I missing something? I keep seeing people say that subtlety is outperforming assassination and combat, but when I look at raidbots.com, subtlety is dead last on the dps charts. When I say "dead last" I mean out of every class/spec combination. Combat isn't very far away from subtlety, either. Assassination is usually in the top 10 of top DPS spec/class combinations.
 
zeldrak said:
Am I missing something? I keep seeing people say that subtlety is outperforming assassination and combat, but when I look at raidbots.com, subtlety is dead last on the dps charts. When I say "dead last" I mean out of every class/spec combination. Combat isn't very far away from subtlety, either. Assassination is usually in the top 10 of top DPS spec/class combinations.
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It might take awhile for it to show up on raidbot. Sub has always been "not enough data" on raidbot so ppl might not be putting logs. Do a boss on lfr as mut then change to sub reforge and whatnot and compare it. I find sub has better burst then mut
 
blacknightlll said:
I tried using this on flex this weekend works pretty well so far ilvl 517 and I was keeping up with another rogue who was 536ish ilvl. My question tho is I didn't see it us crimson temp. Is there a reason for that? Or am I missing something
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blacknightlll said:
Sorry forgot. Assassin
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Crimson Tempest is a big dps loss to use for Assassin, so its NOT part of the rotation at all. The other 2 specs use it for AoE, but Assassin uses the same rotation as single target, but replace Mutulate/Dispatch with FoK as combo builder.


alxaw said:
I'll add these in a few days.
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If you do, please add option to turn those auto defence off, for all raiding you need to save your defensive stuff for specific times during the fight. This is REALY important! I think almost every fight in SoO requires to use a defensive cooldown at a specific point of the fight, having it on CD can cause your death, or even a wipe on heroic.

zeldrak said:
Am I missing something? I keep seeing people say that subtlety is outperforming assassination and combat, but when I look at raidbots.com, subtlety is dead last on the dps charts. When I say "dead last" I mean out of every class/spec combination. Combat isn't very far away from subtlety, either. Assassination is usually in the top 10 of top DPS spec/class combinations.
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Raidbots are not accurate. Go simcraft instead and you will see. Also, you can input your char to shadowcraft (the rogue site), and see the major difference between sub and assassination at almost every gear level.

However, while Waldo is REALY good for Assassination, its not yet perfected for Sub, I think you are better of staying Assasin.
 
No worries Rangbang, I've decided not to add anymore defensive cooldowns. As they are tricky to add to be used automatically.

Rev 224 is up!

Sub updates -->
Sub GUI should now work
Reworked how Combo points / anticipation points are used.
Reworked the Combo point generation
Reworked the finishers
 
alxaw said:
No worries Rangbang, I've decided not to add anymore defensive cooldowns. As they are tricky to add to be used automatically.

Rev 224 is up!

Sub updates -->
Sub GUI should now work
Reworked how Combo points / anticipation points are used.
Reworked the Combo point generation
Reworked the finishers
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Ah good :)

Sweet, Ill give both Assasin and Sub a new dummy test tonight after work! Is it the combo point change we talked about on Skype?

What is does the rework of finishers and CP generation do?
 
Rangbang said:
Ah good :)

Sweet, Ill give both Assasin and Sub a new dummy test tonight after work! Is it the combo point change we talked about on Skype?

What is does the rework of finishers and CP generation do?
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I simply removed one of the CP generations, made it simpler for HB to understand.

The finisher should properly support Anticipation stacks over 4 when using a finisher or similar over 4 combo points.
 
alxaw said:
I simply removed one of the CP generations, made it simpler for HB to understand.

The finisher should properly support Anticipation stacks over 4 when using a finisher or similar over 4 combo points.
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Ah, nice! Looking forward to give it a go :)
 
Ok, 3 minutes on a dummy with both Assa and Sub:

Old Assa: ~201-203k
New Assa: ~199-202k
Old Sub: ~207-212k
New Sub: ~155-165k

On both Sub I was at 5 stacks anticipation a LONG time, like 5-10 seconds with the old one, and alot longer with the new one. It seemed to be happening when it was "waiting" for timers to reach X seconds so it could refresh the ability (SnD, Rupture, Hemo etc)

Waited about 3-5 minutes between every try to make sure trinkets etc where reset.
 
Tried out COmbat aswell on the old build, have not tried that uptil now. Its not doing rupture at all. 5CP+ rupture should be prio over Evicerate. Other than that, combat seems to be realy nice!
 
Rangbang said:
Ok, 3 minutes on a dummy with both Assa and Sub:

Old Assa: ~201-203k
New Assa: ~199-202k
Old Sub: ~207-212k
New Sub: ~155-165k

On both Sub I was at 5 stacks anticipation a LONG time, like 5-10 seconds with the old one, and alot longer with the new one. It seemed to be happening when it was "waiting" for timers to reach X seconds so it could refresh the ability (SnD, Rupture, Hemo etc)

Waited about 3-5 minutes between every try to make sure trinkets etc where reset.
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Revert to rev 223 until the new HB comes out.
 
Rangbang said:
Tried out COmbat aswell on the old build, have not tried that uptil now. Its not doing rupture at all. 5CP+ rupture should be prio over Evicerate. Other than that, combat seems to be realy nice!
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Combat is fine, playing it since 5.4 and the CR works really well. Alxaw included an option for Rupture in the Settings and for me its working fine, but im not using it anymore. At high gear levels rupture just isnt worth it, especially on multitarget fights bc of blade flurry not interacting with rupture.

@alxaw: any chance you could add vanish for combat? maybe with a positioning check so it does ambush when behind the target and, if not behind the target, just uses SS?
would be a nice addition to this almost perfect CR!
 
Just noticed that Feint does not work when in COmbat, having to do it manually even when Special is enabled.
 
IksDeh said:
Combat is fine, playing it since 5.4 and the CR works really well. Alxaw included an option for Rupture in the Settings and for me its working fine, but im not using it anymore. At high gear levels rupture just isnt worth it, especially on multitarget fights bc of blade flurry not interacting with rupture.

@alxaw: any chance you could add vanish for combat? maybe with a positioning check so it does ambush when behind the target and, if not behind the target, just uses SS?
would be a nice addition to this almost perfect CR!
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I'll see when the new hb comes out
 
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