The Store is ruining gathering profiles.

[Goldfox420]

So before the store came out there were tons of gathering profiles for each zone in the game. There still are plenty for the older zones. All of WOD the store has been out and everyone has been charging money for their profiles that don't work for more then 30 minutes before getting stuck trying to get to a node on top of a mountain and the bot is just running into the bottom of the mountain trying to get the node @ the top or some other reason it got stuck. This was never a problem before because people could blacklist the coords of that node and keep doing this till all the problem nodes were gone. With the store this is not possible and a lot of the people making these profiles have giant bundles so asking them to add a list of blacklisted nodes to one profile is probably never gonna happen. My suggestion is that people stop trying to make a fast buck off people and selling profiles that only half work, or that in order for something to be put onto the store it should have to be tested by a certain user group or something along those lines for quality control before they are allowed to make money off of something that is broken.

 

[randomstraw]

people are greedy, don't expect any change until they have to fear consequences.

i'm also against the store, but thats not up for discussion here.

 

[hazard]

Over 95% of the profiles are free on the forum under the correct section. Paying for profiles is an option.

 

[Pineapple Lion]

I don't understand people crying over the store saying you're paying for people doing 30 minutes work, if it were that easy why don't you do it yourself? Oh it's not actually that simple to get a flawless profile is it... And you have to realise if they release their profile, they're going to take a hit in gold income as that'll mean more competition in their market, so it isn't free for the person that is releasing the profile.

 

[Goldfox420]

I don't understand people crying over the store saying you're paying for people doing 30 minutes work, if it were that easy why don't you do it yourself? Oh it's not actually that simple to get a flawless profile is it... And you have to realise if they release their profile, they're going to take a hit in gold income as that'll mean more competition in their market, so it isn't free for the person that is releasing the profile.

Considering your reading and comprehension skills are lacking I will explain it to you. I am not saying the profile took 30 minutes to make. I'm saying the profile only runs for 30 minutes before it gets stuck and either logs out for inactivity or just stands there all night running into a wall. Why would I wanna pay money to use a profile that is going to run me into a wall all night? Before the store there were tons of very well written profiles out there because if there was a major issue like that either the author would fix it or someone else would fix it. Since people here don't seem to have the ability to actually read and comprehend what they are reading here I don't know why I am even wasting my time.

To Hazard, there are plenty of free profiles for tons of great stuff, I am not complaining about that. I'm complaining about how you can charge someone 25 Euros(not you specifically) for a product that is half ass and doesn't work the way it was meant to be intended. I miss the times where people made loads of great free profiles and the best profiles cost money. Nowadays lacklucster half ass profiles get pushed to the store just to fill content there but they don't even do what they are advertised to do and since they are stremed to us there is no way for us to edit it to change the problem areas.

I know there are tons of great profiles on the store as well (both free and Paid) but when it comes to gathering profiles I feel there was a big dip in the quality of these profiles and I don't understand why this happened all of a sudden for this XPAC.

 

[contagion]

I think the OP is suggesting that everything is going "pay-for-use" now...and anything off of the buddystore, you can't personally modify (add blacklisted spots, etc).
I've bought routines & profiles off the store...a lot are great, but some have been crap.

Ultimately, it's buyer-beware.

If the profile has a "TRIAL" period...use it and try it. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
If there IS a problem (like the tree on a hill that should be black listed)...then all you can do is pass it on to the developer.

Every developer I've dealt with has been friendly & cooperative regarding any problems with their product.
It's their name & their reputation. No one wants to be known for selling crap that doesn't work.
Supply logfiles and be as descriptive as possible when explaining what the problem is.
Yes, it MAY take time to get fixed...but it eventually does.

The other option (depending on what you're looking for) is to use Zaprecorder and make your own grind/farming profiles.
It's easy, and gives you the option of adding your own blackspots.

Good luck.

 

[Giwin]

Forcing people to make their own profiles/plugins is how I got started when learning C#, it's a good thing because it turns leechers into providers.

 

[gamerhead]

i have not paid for a profile for WOD and i am able to gather all the mats i need to make gold and all the other things i need to make ingame.

 

[Rabbit112]

OP if you want gathering profiles for old stuff I'd be more than happy to help you out. All I ever ask of people is hotspots (Developer Tools --> Generate Hotspot) and MobIds.

 

[cg1203im2]

The thing with profiles is that they are absurdly easy to create. If you literally spent like 30 minutes reading the wiki and looking at others free profiles, you could make them yourself.

Of course a Profile is easy to create.
[Questorder]
[SetGrindArea]
7 Hotspots isn't hard.

but it is totally different to create a good profile.
100's of different conditions. 100s of different possibilities.
100s of possible obstacles.

writing a profile is easy. writing a good profile takes time. very much time.

write te raw profile, monitor it for hours, find bugs, fix bugs, monitor it again...
before i sell a profile i run it at least 50 hours monitoring and fixing it.

geiitng 10 hotspots and 5 mob id's isn't hard. making it full afkable is.

 

[Rabbit112]

Making 99% of the gathering profiles is pretty easy IMO, depending what it is. Doing reputation grinds or gathering draenor stuff (outside of ashran anyway) is extremely easy. Even dungeon grinds like VP or strat take maybe 2 hours to get into an afkable state.

 

[nooblet]

Actually making gathering profiles is very easy. The trouble is GB2 stops on nodes all the time so it's pointless to use it.

 

[thetrueman2]

Making profiles isn't really that difficult, but as mentioned taking all the faults out can be incredibly time consuming. I could get into your point of the store, be it not that developers have to actually update their releases and support potential issues for 18 months (or until the next xpac). It forces quality control, and guarentees not everyone and their mother is running the same profile. If you consider the amount of time that has to be spent developing a proper profile and the lifespan it has to be supported for it really isn't that expensive.

I remember checking on my gathering bot at one point and seeing it do a bunny hop between nodes with two other bots running the same public profile. Went on to develop my own private profiles after that, and never looked back for farming. You don't hit the same nodes all the other bots do, and it reduces (But not eliminates) the possibility of a ban if you dont run a bot train with all the other buddy users.

 

[Hagel]

I couldn't agree more.

It has nothing to do with lack of appreciation or respect for the good developers.
And it has nothing to do with people should have to make their own profiles.

Every single item sold on the store should have a 24-hour trial period, so that everyone can sift out the half-arsed stuff that bugs out and gets you banned for running into a wall for 20 hours before purchasing.
(All the stuff that should not be a payed product in the first place, basically)

This would be actual quality control, rather than the system in place now for quality control, which clearly does not always work as intended, since then if your shit isn't proper, it just won't get sold, simple. Seems fair to me, rather than customers having to buy stuff blind, that turns out to be not as advertised.

I can't help but feel like this 1 tiny completely fair change would fix the entire store. I feel like a lot of people, including myself, are shying away from buying a lot of stuff that they would normally buy, if only they could better trust the seller and his/her product being up to a certain standard.

I would buy ALOT more of the stuff on the store, if i didn't have this nagging feeling in the back of mind telling me that there is very real and way too high chance of me getting fucked over.

The reputation of the store would improve, the store would make way more money, the customers would be way happier, etc. etc.

Also, the best developers should be pushing the hardest for this, because they are also getting punished for a few rotten apples on the store. As a customer all you need is 1 bad experience with a product on the store, and you will then think twice about buying something else again, even if its from another developer.
So by weeding out all these half-arses, you are also rewarding the dedicated writers, who deliver solid products

 

[xPurplehaze]

I couldn't agree more.

It has nothing to do with lack of appreciation or respect for the good developers.
And it has nothing to do with people should have to make their own profiles.

Every single item sold on the store should have a 24-hour trial period, so that everyone can sift out the half-arsed stuff that bugs out and gets you banned for running into a wall for 20 hours before purchasing.
(All the stuff that should not be a payed product in the first place, basically)

This would be actual quality control, rather than the system in place now for quality control, which clearly does not always work as intended, since then if your shit isn't proper, it just won't get sold, simple. Seems fair to me, rather than customers having to buy stuff blind, that turns out to be not as advertised.

I can't help but feel like this 1 tiny completely fair change would fix the entire store. I feel like a lot of people, including myself, are shying away from buying a lot of stuff that they would normally buy, if only they could better trust the seller and his/her product being up to a certain standard.

I would buy ALOT more of the stuff on the store, if i didn't have this nagging feeling in the back of mind telling me that there is very real and way too high chance of me getting fucked over.

The reputation of the store would improve, the store would make way more money, the customers would be way happier, etc. etc.

Also, the best developers should be pushing the hardest for this, because they are also getting punished for a few rotten apples on the store. As a customer all you need is 1 bad experience with a product on the store, and you will then think twice about buying something else again, even if its from another developer.
So by weeding out all these half-arses, you are also rewarding the dedicated writers, who deliver solid products

I AGREE!! a 24 hour trial period on all items offered in the store would weed out the profiles that are not worth even a penny. Your paying customers would be more satisfied, and the developers that actually give a S**T about their work will not be looked down on by a paying customer because of a past experience that was not so great. Something to consider, in my opinion, honorbuddy team. If developers dont want to let you trial their profile before buying it, they must be a little unsure about the possibility of you buying it after you realize it is NO good!

 

[vboom]

So before the store came out there were tons of gathering profiles for each zone in the game. There still are plenty for the older zones. All of WOD the store has been out and everyone has been charging money for their profiles that don't work for more then 30 minutes before getting stuck trying to get to a node on top of a mountain and the bot is just running into the bottom of the mountain trying to get the node @ the top or some other reason it got stuck. This was never a problem before because people could blacklist the coords of that node and keep doing this till all the problem nodes were gone. With the store this is not possible and a lot of the people making these profiles have giant bundles so asking them to add a list of blacklisted nodes to one profile is probably never gonna happen. My suggestion is that people stop trying to make a fast buck off people and selling profiles that only half work, or that in order for something to be put onto the store it should have to be tested by a certain user group or something along those lines for quality control before they are allowed to make money off of something that is broken.

At risk of interrupting the "HURR THEN MAKE YOUR OWN" circle-jerk, I agree with what you're saying, and I understand what you're saying. HB Store = Steam Greenlight, zero requirements to join and anyone can do it.

 

[TaeTae]

The store was given and now they have a clear choice that they can make money from profiles.

It's quite unfair that people are allowed to sell grinding profiles because anybody could make one, even someone that hasn't ever used the buddybots. But we won't see a change to this. Partially because it makes the buddy team so much money they wouldn't want to, and that it would seem cowardly to take the store down.

There are literally tens and tens of profiles by certain author's who spent 10 minutes making each one and some are selling them for 10 a pop and that's just disgusting. There should be some intervention by the buddy team to limit how much people can charge for grinding profiles. The only thing that sets a good grinding profile from a bad one is error's, and a fool could fix those.

At risk of interrupting the "HURR THEN MAKE YOUR OWN" circle-jerk, I agree with what you're saying, and I understand what you're saying. HB Store = Steam Greenlight, zero requirements to join and anyone can do it.

That's not strictly speaking true, to have your profiles on the buddy store it means that you must support the product in it's entirety, if not the buddy team can take them down, not that I see them reinforcing this rule, but it remains in the wiki post about it nonetheless.

 

[Mario27]

just make the gather profiles you self with the zaprecorder plugin thats what im doing

 

[Zicoth]

If you noob in making profiles: find good working profile, put own hotspots, enjoy

 

[thetrueman2]

There are literally tens and tens of profiles by certain author's who spent 10 minutes making each one and some are selling them for 10 a pop and that's just disgusting. There should be some intervention by the buddy team to limit how much people can charge for grinding profiles. The only thing that sets a good grinding profile from a bad one is error's, and a fool could fix those.

I disagree with this. Are there poor quality profiles on the store? probably. But you're basically saying there should be a payment limit enforced that determines how much the time a dev spends making the profile is worth, regardless if that dev is scotty mcbumblefuck and flings his 10-minute profile on there or if a dev has spent 50+ hours debugging and finetuning a profile. The free market as it is should weed out the bad seeds, as issues with profiles should be reported and if no improvements are made the author should be reported to the buddy staff so their shite can be deleted. Spotting a support thread that has a ton of issues that are not resolved should be a red flag not to purchase the product in the first place, and if you don't feel the profile is worth what the author valued it at then just don't buy it.

Putting a set price for profiles would only increase the amount of bad profiles, as the amount of time spent on a profile would have to be reduced in order for it to justify the pricetag (unless ofcourse you see the pricetag as a donation from a dev point of view, in which case it would be better to avoid the store altogether and just set up a PP account).