Question on how Blizzard could detected us

[ss4noval]

so i was talking to a friend of mine who used to use honorbuddy and he made a interesting point and maybe i don't know what i am talking about but what he said was this. he refuses to use honorbuddy until they get a 64 bit version of the program... the reason he said this is because to run honorbuddy we have to be running it in 32 bit mode

so he thinks that blizzard is just doing a scan on all the computers that are using just 32 bit mode to play the game to find the people that are boting. and it does seem like a valid point now i am no expert but i know that you can setup a program to scan things so i am sure it would not be to hard for blizzard to look for people just playing in 32 bit mode

i am sure that blizzard has gone to the point as purchasing the program to see how we use it and figure out ways to stop us off what they see but i could be wrong


anyone have any feedback on this? or any other good idea's

 

[ryftobuddy]

bringing up the x64 vs. x86 debate is a quick way to get a thread closed. The devs have made their point very clear on the subject.

Spend 5 minutes searching and reading and you'll have all the answers you need concerning your theory.

 

[Kaosqueen]

i have to agree.. I can see their line of thinking though.. Because people who dont bot and just have crappy pc's or whatever the reason.. Also use 32.. But its not near as many in comparison to how many use it to bot.. And it would make Blizzard's job quite a bit easier to only scan those using 32bit.. Because everyone using 64 is obviously not botting.. Also.. I do agree that Blizzard has people who have paid for and use the bot to figure shit out.. I also believe that they have people in the discord channel that gather info as well.. Its sort of easy to find botters if you go in to the LFG with other botters channel and gather names.. People are so easily persuaded to talk in a place they "think" is safe.. And get in to groups with people they dont know, just because they are in the lfg channel.. If i was a rep of Blizzard.. I would do it.. Im sure im not the only one to think of that.. I am done with wow i think.. I honestly dont think there is going to be a way to ever have a bot totally safe.. and im tired of giving blizzard more money.. Buying alt accounts.. Building them up.. Personally.. I only used the bot to help with routines in PVE. Because the elitist pricks out there who get pissy if you 5 k under what they think is suitable. Or whatever. I was never topping the charts.. But i was in the top five instead of the bottom five. Every time they ban us.. And we go out and buy more battle chests.. Now they include WoD.. at 20 bucks a pop.. say ten thousand buy just one.. They are making bank.. Im done giving them my money.. And i dont blame HB at all. They made it fun for me again.. While it lasted.. But people need to wake up and realize that until Blizz actually looses money due to their bans.. They wont stop because its doubling their profit margin. If everyone who got banned just quit.. They would feel it in their pockets and might rethink the extensive bans.. Just saying.. Its for you all to do what you will. Its your money.. But personally. Im done.. Ive played wow for over 7 yrs. been banned on my main account twice.. an alt and a second alt.. They will not get another penny of mine.. Good luck to everyone who continues to throw away their money.. If your having fun and can afford it.. Go for it.. But I wonder if we saved all the money in an account we would normally spend on wow.. Adding up the years you have played and how much you have actually spent on mounts, game time. pets.. whatever.. how much you would have in that account by now.. Or over the next several years.. lol.. Peace out HB and WOW.. it was fun while it lasted..

 

[ryftobuddy]

i have to agree.. I can see their line of thinking though.. Because people who dont bot and just have crappy pc's or whatever the reason.. Also use 32.. But its not near as many in comparison to how many use it to bot.. And it would make Blizzard's job quite a bit easier to only scan those using 32bit.. Because everyone using 64 is obviously not botting.. Also.. I do agree that Blizzard has people who have paid for and use the bot to figure shit out.. I also believe that they have people in the discord channel that gather info as well.. Its sort of easy to find botters if you go in to the LFG with other botters channel and gather names.. People are so easily persuaded to talk in a place they "think" is safe.. And get in to groups with people they dont know, just because they are in the lfg channel.. If i was a rep of Blizzard.. I would do it.. Im sure im not the only one to think of that.. I am done with wow i think.. I honestly dont think there is going to be a way to ever have a bot totally safe.. and im tired of giving blizzard more money.. Buying alt accounts.. Building them up.. Personally.. I only used the bot to help with routines in PVE. Because the elitist pricks out there who get pissy if you 5 k under what they think is suitable. Or whatever. I was never topping the charts.. But i was in the top five instead of the bottom five. Every time they ban us.. And we go out and buy more battle chests.. Now they include WoD.. at 20 bucks a pop.. say ten thousand buy just one.. They are making bank.. Im done giving them my money.. And i dont blame HB at all. They made it fun for me again.. While it lasted.. But people need to wake up and realize that until Blizz actually looses money due to their bans.. They wont stop because its doubling their profit margin. If everyone who got banned just quit.. They would feel it in their pockets and might rethink the extensive bans.. Just saying.. Its for you all to do what you will. Its your money.. But personally. Im done.. Ive played wow for over 7 yrs. been banned on my main account twice.. an alt and a second alt.. They will not get another penny of mine.. Good luck to everyone who continues to throw away their money.. If your having fun and can afford it.. Go for it.. But I wonder if we saved all the money in an account we would normally spend on wow.. Adding up the years you have played and how much you have actually spent on mounts, game time. pets.. whatever.. how much you would have in that account by now.. Or over the next several years.. lol.. Peace out HB and WOW.. it was fun while it lasted..

You aren't going to get any responses with a wall of text like this. Learn how to create paragraphs, learn how to write in a clear manner and shorten your rants.

 

[ss4noval]

bringing up the x64 vs. x86 debate is a quick way to get a thread closed. The devs have made their point very clear on the subject.

Spend 5 minutes searching and reading and you'll have all the answers you need concerning your theory.

I am not bringing up a debate on 64 vs 86 blah blah..... i wanted to know if this seems like a valid point of how or what they might be doing to find us and detect us so easily

 

[ss4noval]

If your having fun and can afford it.. Go for it.. But I wonder if we saved all the money in an account we would normally spend on wow.. Adding up the years you have played and how much you have actually spent on mounts, game time. pets.. whatever.. how much you would have in that account by now.. Or over the next several years.. lol.. Peace out HB and WOW.. it was fun while it lasted...

so you would of saved 1260 dollars of the 7 yrs on just 1 account....... so unless you know of a way to entertain yourself for a hole 7 yrs off that much money good luck...... my real life brother made a statement to me about why he still plays Everquest...... it's cheap entertainment 15 dollars for a hole month of entertainment = way cheaper then going to a bar or to just 1 movie for the hole month

 

[ryftobuddy]

I am not bringing up a debate on 64 vs 86 blah blah..... i wanted to know if this seems like a valid point of how or what they might be doing to find us and detect us so easily

No, it's not a valid point...It's a moot point. It doesn't matter if it's x86 or x64, if the HB team won't switch to x64, there's no question to ask.

Do you really think that switching to x64 will prevent Raphus' theory on how the bot was detected? It would have zero effect if what the HB team has said the reasoning for the detection was true.

And once again, spend 5 minutes searching and you'll have all the answers you need concerning HB and x64.

 

[Siggen]

i have to agree.. I can see their line of thinking though.. Because people who dont bot and just have crappy pc's or whatever the reason.. Also use 32.. But its not near as many in comparison to how many use it to bot.. And it would make Blizzard's job quite a bit easier to only scan those using 32bit.. Because everyone using 64 is obviously not botting.. Also.. I do agree that Blizzard has people who have paid for and use the bot to figure shit out.. I also believe that they have people in the discord channel that gather info as well.. Its sort of easy to find botters if you go in to the LFG with other botters channel and gather names.. People are so easily persuaded to talk in a place they "think" is safe.. And get in to groups with people they dont know, just because they are in the lfg channel.. If i was a rep of Blizzard.. I would do it.. Im sure im not the only one to think of that.. I am done with wow i think.. I honestly dont think there is going to be a way to ever have a bot totally safe.. and im tired of giving blizzard more money.. Buying alt accounts.. Building them up.. Personally.. I only used the bot to help with routines in PVE. Because the elitist pricks out there who get pissy if you 5 k under what they think is suitable. Or whatever. I was never topping the charts.. But i was in the top five instead of the bottom five. Every time they ban us.. And we go out and buy more battle chests.. Now they include WoD.. at 20 bucks a pop.. say ten thousand buy just one.. They are making bank.. Im done giving them my money.. And i dont blame HB at all. They made it fun for me again.. While it lasted.. But people need to wake up and realize that until Blizz actually looses money due to their bans.. They wont stop because its doubling their profit margin. If everyone who got banned just quit.. They would feel it in their pockets and might rethink the extensive bans.. Just saying.. Its for you all to do what you will. Its your money.. But personally. Im done.. Ive played wow for over 7 yrs. been banned on my main account twice.. an alt and a second alt.. They will not get another penny of mine.. Good luck to everyone who continues to throw away their money.. If your having fun and can afford it.. Go for it.. But I wonder if we saved all the money in an account we would normally spend on wow.. Adding up the years you have played and how much you have actually spent on mounts, game time. pets.. whatever.. how much you would have in that account by now.. Or over the next several years.. lol.. Peace out HB and WOW.. it was fun while it lasted..

Tbh I couldn't read more than half a sentence before my head started to spin from the huge wall of text...

Anyway, how on earth can you know how many users run WoW in 32bit without botting? Don't make claims you can't back up

 

[ryftobuddy]

People base their claims off Steam's stats on x64 vs. x86. 9% of Steam users are using x86, so they assume that 9% of wow users are running x86 as well...And that very well may be.

But if Blizz has 4 million active subs (I have no idea how accurate that number is, nor does anyone else...Blizz no longer reports active sub numbers), then you still have around 400,000 accounts to review. Not really a manageable number.

 

[thebrodieman]

I use x86 for all my gaming, Blizz or otherwise, just because I've seen no difference in x64 vs x86. There is no magic detection avoidance for switching up. This topic comes around every time we have a wave. The reasons never correlate to x86 checks. It's just another theory that doesn't pan out.

 

[Flixelar]

It is kind of weird when Blizzard notices that you have a powerful and capable 64bit computer and you're using the 32bit client.
Total give-away for sure.

They obtain your system information everything you launch the client or battle.net application.

 

[thebrodieman]

It is kind of weird when Blizzard notices that you have a powerful and capable 64bit computer and you're using the 32bit client.
Total give-away for sure.

They obtain your system information everything you launch the client or battle.net application.

I use it. Don't judge me. x86 is higher number than x64. Higher is better right?

 

[Azhemoth]

Absolutely not.

A 64bit Honorbuddy will not reduce bans or improve safety. Period. It doesn't matter what theories these tin-foilers bring up.
This topic has been discussed so much that it's pointless to bring it up anymore.

There's already 64bit hack-tools and bots out there and they result in just as many bans as the 32bit programs.
The theory has been tested. 64bit/32bit - you're going to get banned regardless of bit.

Blizzard has not only easier - but more reliable methods of sniffing out exploits than using 32bit as a filter.

Narrowing their scans to just 32bit would be giving 64bit programs a free ban whitelist - which doing that would just be absolutely ignorant on their part.
It's counter productive in terms of reducing exploiters.

Not to mention there's bots just as big if not bigger than Honorbuddy out there on the Chinese markets that's 64bit - and they're a much bigger threat to Blizzard than Honorbuddy is.
They get monthly banwaves as well. The magical "64bit"ness isn't saving them and it won't save Honorbuddy.

 

[vamp]

 

[Mattys]

There's already 64bit hack-tools and bots out there and they result in just as many bans as the 32bit programs.
The theory has been tested. 64bit/32bit - you're going to get banned regardless of bit.

I'd love for you to explain why SBR dev removed the x86 version of his rotation bot, when he realized his users were getting banned due to the bot getting detected. X64 version hadn't had any software detection as of now.

If HB team made a 64-bit version, it wouldn't matter as Blizzard would add detection mechanisms in the 64-bit client too.

Don't want to argue - I'm just pointing out that you're wrong

 

[Azhemoth]

I'd love for you to explain why SBR dev removed the x86 version of his rotation bot, when he realized his users were getting banned due to the bot getting detected. X64 version hadn't had any software detection as of now.

If HB team made a 64-bit version, it wouldn't matter as Blizzard would add detection mechanisms in the 64-bit client too.

Don't want to argue - I'm just pointing out that you're wrong

How are you pointing out that I'm wrong when your only basis of standing is some program called "SBR" even though I didn't even specifically state "SBR" in my original comment?

You're basically saying I'm wrong on a statement I didn't even make regarding a program I don't even know existed until you brought it up and I took the time to Google it
- which during that Google session, I did find a hefty amount of ban reports, but that's aside the point isn't it?


Not only that, you just backtracked on yourself by saying

"it wouldn't matter as Blizzard would add detection mechanisms in the 64-bit client too."​

- so what's even the point of your statement here to begin with? You're clearly trying to start more arguments despite your closing statement which is fueling the reason I'm being so harsh on you right now.



As I said before, I didn't even know what "SBR" is - let alone much care until you brought me the need to research it.
These "SBR" developers no doubt switched it to the 64bit architecture as a blatant excuse for a marketing placebo to make the users think it's safer.

I mean - as you said they had a massive banwave right? Well of course they need to keep the cash flowing! So what not a better way than making the users think they actually did something to help prevent bans?
Them converting it to 64bit is just an excuse and people like would believe it.
The very fact that they had a banwave to begin with is pretty pathetic given how small they are. But I can guarantee switching to 64bit didn't change a thing.
Give it some time and they'll get hit again.

My original point is that 64bit applications have had a huge amount of bans - bit number isn't protecting anything and won't.
A perfect example is the massive 64bit-Firehack banwave. Was it safe because it was 64bit? No. Will Honorbuddy be safe as 64bit? No.
Did you actually manage to point out that I was wrong about anything? No.

So unless you're going to actually contribute, refrain from posting comments that loop-hole on themselves so I don't have to respond with a massive chunk of text such as this - just to have it potentially removed by the mods.

 

[anubite]

bringing up the x64 vs. x86 debate is a quick way to get a thread closed. The devs have made their point very clear on the subject.

Spend 5 minutes searching and reading and you'll have all the answers you need concerning your theory.

just link them how firehack 64bit got king hit this year and had massive amount of it userbase got perm banned straight out.
as for people saying 64bit will be better, no it won't for detection.

for performance who knows I aint a tech person so cannot say.
but if hb goes full 64bit, like what happened to other 32bit tools which some have stopped doing 32bit clients due to getting caught up with hb scans all the time most tools will shit themselves if hb went 64bit because when they actively scan for hb they clean others up as well December was an perfect example of this with sbr 32bit, ewt 32bit and some other lesser known tools.

in other words forget about 64bit saving the day will mean jack.

 

[GIVEMEANAME]

raphus explained how he thinks this detection took place and if it was that, no 86/64 will help

 

[pimpampum]

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As I said before, I didn't even know what "SBR" is - let alone much care until you brought me the need to research it.
These "SBR" developers no doubt switched it to the 64bit architecture as a blatant excuse for a marketing placebo to make the users think it's safer.

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My original point is that 64bit applications have had a huge amount of bans - bit number isn't protecting anything and won't.
A perfect example is the massive 64bit-Firehack banwave. Was it safe because it was 64bit? No. Will Honorbuddy be safe as 64bit? No.

These comments put a big smile on my face. Double standards FTL.


So, SBR switching to x64 (which means a bigger amount of work for their devs) was a marketing placebo.


But HB rejecting straight detection , and blaming on their "third party tool" tripwire, is obviously no marketing placebo.


And x64 applications having huge amount of bans, that's fucking false crap. Not arguable, just FALSE.


Firehack is a....(gasp)...HACK, which are way higger on Blizz targetlist than any bot. As they should.

Hacks are very visible, and make the non-offending playerbase really angry. You know, oneshotting, flying on-non flying zones, teleporting around...that stuff.

It suffered a banwave. Correct. It affected (straight from the devs) aproximately 1/4th of the active users at that time.


Wanna discuss how many of the active users of Honorbuddy have been banned on each of the last 3 banwaves?


In any situation, activating x64 HB would place ourselves on a hugely bigger user pool. Meaning that, in order to ID us, or simply to confirm an automated flagging, they would need to spend 10 times the resources, both human ones and technical ones.

Let's be clear here....if the measures to detect x64 programs are already in place, why aren't they active? We'll, of course, because they don't want to analyze 10 times the data.

 

[Frayman]

If SBR or Firehack were in a legal battle with Blizzard they would be the ones getting the ban wave right now its that simple.

A company with deep pockets as Blizzard can find many ways to develop ways both legaly and otherwise to find out if we are botting or not...it has very little to do with 86 vs 64. In my humble oppinion.