Question for those with AMD FX - 8120 / 8150 CPU

[btrash]

I've seen the AMD "Bulldozer" CPU series being recommended as a cost effective botting processor. I'm interested in 8120 and 8150 with the "8" Cores that it provides.

If you have one of these processors, i'm interested in the following questions:

1) how many instances of Diablo can you run (and what bots you use / if you use a combination of bots).

2) What is your CPU usage when running the bots

3) Did you over clock your CPU

4) Also did you purchase any aftermarket coolers

I currently have the an intel 2500K (run 6 instances of D3 (Demonbuddy), 90-100% CPU usage, Overclocked to 4.4 GHz, Using Noctua Cooler for CPU)

I'm looking for a the most cost effective method to run bots.I'm looking for a the most cost effective method to run bots.

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Update: To prevent a flame war, please post objective information such as the number of clients you have running, CPU usage, CPU temperature, Frame rates, Window size (I would assume this is windowed and smallest size)

UPDATE 2: Objective information from the intel processors could also be discussed, with similar data as above

 

[DTrick]

The 8120 = 3.1ghz - Ive OC'ed mine to 3.8
the 8150 = 3.6? which can oc to 4.somthing

I can run heaps of D3's i run 3 atm, but i also run 3 other swtor clients too. And still have more CPU power to run more.

I believe Kick has the 8150 and has it OC'ed 32gigs of ram and can run around 20D3s or so..

But you have to remember alot more goes into loading more clients then just a CPU, or Ram, or even a GFX card, or even load times from a SSD HD.. You gotta remember Less resources need to be used to run heaps of clients. You can do this by using smaller window sizes which require less resources to run them.

If you're gonna pick up a 8120+ you need to get at least a H50/70/100 etc Cooler from Corsair this is a enclosed watercooler which u dont need to refill etc. AMD's run hot and u need the cooling.

I'm currently running 3 D3 clients atm, and i have them only setup to run on 2 cores each,

D1 - C0/1 - Load: 20-40% - Temp: 18-35c (Never goes over 40 even after running for over 2 days with bots running)
D2 - C1/2 - Load: 20-40% - Temp: 18-35c (Never goes over 40 even after running for over 2 days with bots running)
D3 - C2/3 - Load: 20-40% - Temp: 18-35c (Never goes over 40 even after running for over 2 days with bots running)

Still have 4 more cores to use. And most likely can double up considering its no were near max on the other cores.

 

[btrash]

The 8120 = 3.1ghz - Ive OC'ed mine to 3.8
the 8150 = 3.6? which can oc to 4.somthing

I can run heaps of D3's i run 3 atm, but i also run 3 other swtor clients too. And still have more CPU power to run more.

I believe Kick has the 8150 and has it OC'ed 32gigs of ram and can run around 20D3s or so..

But you have to remember alot more goes into loading more clients then just a CPU, or Ram, or even a GFX card, or even load times from a SSD HD.. You gotta remember Less resources need to be used to run heaps of clients. You can do this by using smaller window sizes which require less resources to run them.

If you're gonna pick up a 8120+ you need to get at least a H50/70/100 etc Cooler from Corsair this is a enclosed watercooler which u dont need to refill etc. AMD's run hot and u need the cooling.

I'm currently running 3 D3 clients atm, and i have them only setup to run on 2 cores each,

D1 - C0/1 - Load: 20-40% - Temp: 18-35c (Never goes over 40 even after running for over 2 days with bots running)
D2 - C1/2 - Load: 20-40% - Temp: 18-35c (Never goes over 40 even after running for over 2 days with bots running)
D3 - C2/3 - Load: 20-40% - Temp: 18-35c (Never goes over 40 even after running for over 2 days with bots running)

Still have 4 more cores to use. And most likely can double up considering its no were near max on the other cores.

Thanks so much for your reply.

I felt a CPU focused question necessary because the CPU is the limiting factor as D3 is very light on the GFX card. RAM is very cheap and is pretty generic when it comes down to it.

I'm surprised AMD bulldozer cores are so effecient for this.

My question now is that are you running the clients via an external program like virtual box and thus you can set the CPU it runs or are you using the windows processor affinity.

Cheers

 

[DTrick]

I'm running clients thru ISBoxer, which to me is well worth it. I have my own Configuration setup so that they are Really really tiny and when i want to view the bot in larger form i press a hotkey and it opens up in a hidden window that only comes active when i press hotkey so i can view in clarity the gold/items it has for easy transfers.

 

[jinny1]

It's not really a true 8 core. To call half a module a core is almost false advertising to appeal to those large e-peeners

More like 4 core with some extra threads with shared memory and pipeline. it performs horribly compared to intel, which has a far superior IPC atm.

I recommend sandy bridge 2500k that you can get for cheap or even maybe ivy bridge if your budget allows.

 

[markn12]

It's not really a true 8 core. To call half a module a core is almost false advertising to appeal to those large e-peeners

More like 4 core with some extra threads

That's all intel is 4 cores with HT. You know why people use AMD ? Because they have a history of compatibility with older products. Intel is bullshit btw they keep pulling the same changing sockets every new model because people keep buying the overpriced CPUs and need to buy a new MB just to upgrade.

If you don't care about overspending go Intel Core i7-3770K its only 150$ more and worth it any higher and you're getting robbed.

(not an amd fanboy either) I have intel and AMD PCs.

 

[jinny1]

That's all intel is 4 cores with HT. You know why people use AMD ? Because they have a history of compatibility with older products. Intel is bullshit btw they keep pulling the same changing sockets every new model because people keep buying the overpriced CPUs and need to buy a new MB just to upgrade.

If you don't care about overspending go Intel Core i7-3770K its only 150$ more and worth it any higher and you're getting robbed.

(not an amd fanboy either) I have intel and AMD PCs.

Wrong. i7's eight cores are logical cores but hyperthreading doesn't split a core in two.

FX processor has modules meaning each is two cores with shared memory and pipeline


and ermm Ivy Bridge is backwards compatible with sandy bridge motherboards? so you don't have to get new mobo....

Intel i5's aren't overpriced, the i7's are. And they are only overprices because AMD's new so called "revolutionary" 8 core bulldozers can't even compete with their older phenom II models in terms of IPC.

So intel has no competition atm, any smart company which holds a monopoly in their sector will obviously hyperinflate their prices. economics 101

 

[grim2594]

I see a lot of opinions in this thread that are pushed off on as fact.

That's about all your going to get on these threads, about AMD vs Intel, are opinions. It is rare that anyone is going to post factual data, statistics, ect.

I personally use AMD, and only AMD, since the 90's. Hertz is not a good way to measure the speed of a computer, so don't go off of that. If your looking for statistical data, your probably looking in the wrong place.

Personally, I use the AMD FX-8150, 16GB RAM, Radion HD 6xxx Vid card with 1GB RAM. Diablo 3 takes up beteen 4-15% CPU and 670k (Working Set) of Memory (15% being the absolute max) per client and Demonbuddy takes up 0-2% CPU and 82k memory per client. I am sure that I could reduce this, if I turned the graphics down all of the way (I pulled data with max graphical settings, and smallest window possible). Nothing is overclocked either, so with a little tweaking... this system could be a lot better. (I have 4 of these computers.)

 

[DTrick]

Intel is shit.

read the following: AMD quits benchmark group, implying Intel bias | Nanotech - The Circuits Blog - CNET News

Not only did AMD Quit, But Nvidia also Walked out on it too. Intel is Crap only reason why idiots think its good is because of shit like above and people are now finding out and going to a better company.

Not to mention AMD has better Multi-thread handling then intel.

 

[DTrick]

Nasty bump,

If Intel is so good and is so much better then AMD why are they doing the following?

Moreover, Intel is moving increasingly in the same direction of AMD and Nvidia. With its newest Sandy Bridge generation, Intel has, for the first time in a mainstream chip, integrated graphics processing silicon onto the main processor. And Intel will continue to beef up graphics processing on its upcoming Ivy Bridge chips, due late this year.

So for a company thats so much better then AMD they sure do chase AMD's tail and copies their work if amd is soo bad why are the "best chip makers" coping them?

 

[grim2594]

"grabs some popcorn"

 

[Kickazz006]

LOL this whole 'intel is shit' and 'amd is shit' is total nonsense

AMD is good and has the best value to performance ratio on the market (8150)
Intel can still easily out-perform it ... but at a much higher cost

Intel 2011 boards - $300
AMD AM3+ boards - 130-230 (230 is the RoG board... most don't go over 200 like the asus sabertooth)

8150 cpu - $200
Intel 2011 cpu - $500-1000

As you can see... this is why I choose AMD. A lot of people are like 'get the 2500/2600 / etc 2 year old processors' ...

To each their own guys - but I can only speak from experience... I run my AMD chip (stock 3.6ghz) at 4.4ghz w/o voltage mods... it's just straight multiplier from 18x 200 to 22x 200 and it works great

 

[btrash]

Thanks to all that replied to this thread. Even though we got a semi flame war (i know this was a sensitive issue when i posted this), a lot of useful information was obtained from this:

1) Each instance of Diablo takes 8~12% CPU on a FX8120 , thus 8-12 clients are possible on one of these botting computers (If anyone can confirm this / top this please post ahead!)
2) Cooling on FX series is an issue
3) ISBoxer might help with CPU optimization

I'm interested in more data and statistics (objective) information rather than subjective (which company is better) information.
I think Botting is a very unique use of a computer and there just isn't that much benchmarks done on this subject and hence this forum is the best place for discussion.

 

[Kickazz006]

Thanks to all that replied to this thread. Even though we got a semi flame war (i know this was a sensitive issue when i posted this), a lot of useful information was obtained from this:

1) Each instance of Diablo takes 8~12% CPU on a FX8120 , thus 8-12 clients are possible on one of these botting computers (If anyone can confirm this / top this please post ahead!)
2) Cooling on FX series is an issue
3) ISBoxer might help with CPU optimization

I'm interested in more data and statistics (objective) information rather than subjective (which company is better) information.
I think Botting is a very unique use of a computer and there just isn't that much benchmarks done on this subject and hence this forum is the best place for discussion.

get the Corsair H100 liquid cooling for 100$
Summer temps - Room temp is 28c (I can't speak for winter temps where room temp is 16-20c):
Idle @ 12c (or less, depending on room temp)
medium load @ 26-28c (or less, depending on room temp)
full load @ 33c (or less, depending on room temp)

Stock AMD fan cooler - 50-55c on medium load... 30-35c idle :| ... over 60c on full load
Coolermaster V6 GT fan cooler -
Summer: 30-35 medium load - 40-45 full load and round 50c full load
Winter: idle and medium stayed around 25-30c, full load maybe maxed at 40c

If you use AMD, just get a H100 and call it a day (and I added 2 extra coolermaster fans to the radiator - it only comes with 2!)

 

[DTrick]

People always post crap about AMD being bad and so on all the time with no supporting factors, I posted information with credible sources talking about how their build up their bias hype on their chips. I'm in no way a AMD fan boy either just a person who has tested both intel and AMD and i think Amd is way more practical.

 

[markn12]

Kick what video card do you use ? From the task manager i can see its AMD. You using the 6970 ?

 

[Kickazz006]

Kick what video card do you use ? From the task manager i can see its AMD. You using the 6970 ?

When I took that SS ... I believe I was on the 6950 (asus, 6 video out). That is now in my new bot comp... and I use the AMD 7970 (AMD w/ 6 ports out, stock 1000mhz clock) in my main comp

 

[markn12]

Do you think the 7850 could perform the same ? Benchmarks place it higher than the 6950 and 6970. Or would a nvidia 480GTX work just as good ?

 

[Kickazz006]

Do you think the 7850 could perform the same ? Benchmarks place it higher than the 6950 and 6970. Or would a nvidia 480GTX work just as good ?

Apoc swears by the nvidia stuff... but amd hasn't let me down. I've been using it for the past 10 years or so (well - ATI cards, which AMD took over)
I swore off nvidia after my cards kept giving me shit with drivers

as far as the 7850 - yeah they look promising

 

[grim2594]

Apoc swears by the nvidia stuff... but amd hasn't let me down. I've been using it for the past 10 years or so (well - ATI cards, which AMD took over)

I used Intel until the mid-90s... then decided to give AMD a go, and I haven't looked back. I believe we even still have some 386/486 parts around, lmao.